About life!! Digest Number 400

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--- Thoopurani Giridhar <thoopurani wrote:

> There is no scripture that says Jiva atma

> originated from Supreme Lord. The Lord, The atmas,

>The Veda existed from time unknown and doesn't have

> originators. Neither atma nor Veda are created by

> Lord. The 20th sloka of Gita Chapter Two says that

> atmas are neither created nor can they be destroyed

>(Na Ja:yathe: Mriyathe: ).

 

I agree with you that Athma's can nbot be created or

destroyed. I am not learned like you. However, I

beleive that Athmas originally originated from the

Supreme Lord Sriman Narayana. Please kindly refer to

the Purusha Suktham: "Thripada-urdvaipurusha

(three fourth is Parama purusha), pado-asya vishva

bhuthani (one fourth constitutes the creation:

universes, beings, etc.) ThripadasyaAmruthandhini (The

three fourth is eternal unchaging)" The three fourth

constitutes the Supreme Being Lord Sriman Narayana.

The one fourth is either changing or transmigrating.

To illustrate the concept, Purusha suktham states

three fourth and one fourth. Actually,the materail

manifestation is only a minute part of Him. We

Athmas are separate from the Supreme and Yet we are

part of Him. I beleive this is Vishistadvaitha

philosophy.

 

Your concept that Atmas are eternally seperate and

distinct is DWAITHA Philosophy.

 

> >>>> who are tired of this want to go back to the

> parmanent abode(Nithya Vibhoothi)

> I believe that our acharyas say - only the most,

> most ...luckiest would attain that permanent abode

>that tooNOT by their penance or knowledge or

>greatness, but just by the sheer mercy of Lord and

> acharya who does purushakara to get us in there.

> (Paramapadam is not an option for the tired souls)

 

If you read my posting carefully, I said that the

only way is to do saranagathi (take shelter at the

lotus feet of Lord Sriman Narayana).

 

You say that Paramapadam is not an option for the

tired soul. Crying is the duty of the baby. It is up

to the mother to hold the baby or not. The means

and the end are the Lord. However, people who are fed

up with the material world, cry for the Lord. Seeking

Lord is an option which eventually may lead to

Paramapadam. As I mentioned in my posting, the Atma

is not independent and completely depend on the

Supreme Lord.

 

With respect to attaining Moksham, kindly refere to

the charam slokam of Lord Sri Varaha Swami. Can I

ask you why the dharma, artha, kama, koksha are called

the purusharthas and why is Moksha included in that.

When you visit Lord Venakteswara's temple kindly

observe the left and and right hands of Lord

Srivenkateswara and please kindly find out the meaning

behind pointing of the two hands one at His lotus feet

and one at His navel. I can continue on and on, but

like to get your input. I will appriciate it if you

could kindly answer Vasavins' question in the previous

postings.

 

Jai Sriman Narayana

With all glories to Lord Sri Venkateswara, I remain,

Sincerely

Narender Reddy