Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Sriman Narender Reddy ji, Our acharyas give us one good example to understand Visishistadvaita. Think of a glowing lamp (deepam). Now it has fire and the light (kanthi). Can we they ever be separate them? Would there be a fire without light? Can light be there without fire of that lamp??? DOES THIS MEAN THEY ARE ONE?? No. That is what vishistadvaita is about. Atma's permanent abode is paramatama. It DOESN'T mean that they are same. ALSO they cannot exist without each other. One has another as attribute - an inseperable attribute. H. H. Swamiji gives many such examples. Take an example of mango. It has colour, taste, odour. You cannot separate them. Each doesn't exist without other in the context of a mango friut. It is one friut but has different attributes that make a fruit. This is what is Visishtadvaitam as explained by our acharyas. Purusha suktham doesn't says that Jivas are created by paramathma. They are attributed to Paramathma. That is to say "no atma can ever exists without paramathma". If paramathma is not created by anybody, and Jiva-athmas are part of HIM how can any one say that Jiva-athmas are created by someone??? Regarding varaha charama slokam, it depicts the promise made by Lord Srimannarayana during HIS varaha avatara. Sri Kanchipurna told this to Sri Ramanujacharya when this great acharya had a doubt that "Is antya-smruthi necessary for humans to attain moksha?". It is impossible for any human to antya-smarana because he/she cannot know that last fraction-of-second of the life. Also upanishads say that antya-smruthi is necessay for moksha and without that moksha is not attainable. That was the concern of Sri Ramanujacharya too. Answer is varaha charama sloka. There is subtle point here though! It is our acharya who teach us how we should do "saranagathi". We need to understand what it means! There are thousands of interpretations (mis-interpretations??) on what it means. But acharya is the one who gives the right knowledge in doing saranagathi and make us really do that. Without acharyas guidance it is impossible even to think of that path. Similarly for charama-sloka Lord Krishna promises that He'd deliver you if you do "saranagathi" (mama ekam SARANAM vraja) to HIM leaving all other things! All these charama slokas assume that you do Sarangathi. And if anyone, thinks that he/she can do Saranagathi himself/herself I think it is not correct. It is a life time commitmment. It should be done under the guidance of acharya and ONLY ACHARYA can make us do. It is unfortunate interpretation that "one can do all sorts of things entire life time and finally read this once and you get Moksham". We need better understanding than that. Artha and Kama has be experienced within the dharma specification. Then you may get Moksham. In summary that's what it means when purushartha is defined as containing all those four parts(from Sri Swamiji's messages). I have one humble request here: Please do not take these issues are personal. I don't expect ego to play role in these discussions. Just discuss your views and let someone who knows better enlighten us. ..... .... .... Adiyen Ramanuja dasaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Jai Sriman Narayana! --- Thoopurani Giridhar <thoopurani wrote: > Sriman Narender Reddy ji, > > Purusha suktham doesn't says that Jivas are created > by paramathma. They are attributed to Paramathma. >Thatis to say "no atma can ever exists without >paramathma". I was saying that Atmas EMNATED from Pramathma, and this concept is not in contradiction to the Purusha Suktham. The hair emnates from the body. Similarly, the atma emnated from the Paramathma. This is like the light emnated from the Sun and like the smell emnated from the Mango. > Regarding varaha charama slokam, it depicts the > promise made by Lord Srimannarayana during HIS > varaha avatara. Answer is varaha charama > sloka. There is subtle point here though! > > It is our acharya who teach us how we should do > "saranagathi". Yes, I agree and never denied the fact that the saranagathi should be performed through proper acharya. However, in addressing your questioning regarding moksham for tired souls, I was pointing out the charam slokam of Sri Varaha Swamy. I should perhpas point out that gnayan (knowledge) and Vairagya (renounciation) are essential (along with Acharya anugraham) for sustained (bhakthi and) prapathi. How many people are we obeserving in daily life who have taken samasryanam and doing nonsense things in life? I was trying to bring out the fact that Moksham is easy for some one who has taken saranagathi at His lotus feet. > It is unfortunate interpretation that "one can do > all> sorts of things entire life time and finally >read thisonce and you get Moksham". We need better > understanding than that. Yes, if Lord Sriman Narayan decides to give moksham for some one like that, there is nobody to oppose. In fact, a majority of us are like that who have accumulated mountains of papam through throusands of lifes and the kalyana guna of the Lord is the only hope for us either to survive in this world or to attain moksham later. > Artha and Kama has be experienced within the dharma > specification. Then you may get Moksham. In summary > that's what it means when purushartha is defined as > containing all those four parts(from Sri Swamiji's > messages). My understanding is that we have to act according to dharma (righoutness) and earn artha (wealth) through Dharma, and have desire (Kama) to have Moksham. I brought this point to counter your argument that it is almost impossible to attain moksham. > I am assumed that you asked these questions out of > your thirst for knowing things and out of your > wonderful interest. Yes, otherwise why would we waste time writing these? The most imporatnt is to find answers to the genuine question put forward in the previous postings by.... (Iforgot the name). Jai Sriman Narayana Narender Reddy LAUNCH - Your Music Experience http://launch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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