Vasavins' Question: Athma, Brahma, Karma

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Jai Sriman Narayana!

 

> Thu, 23 May 2002 06:34:49 -0000

> "vasavin_2000"

>Athma, Brahman,Karma......basic doubts...

 

>JIVATMA:

>My question is during the time of the Universe

>creation, how did these physical forms happen for the

>first jivatmas to enter???

 

My conception is that when the Jivatham came from the

Nithya Vibhoothi, while crossing the Viraja River, it

was given a sukshma sarira (jest like we are given a

jacket to wear when we enter (the boat or) the tunnel

in the Niagra Falls to view the Falls). Once the Atma

entered the Leela Vibhuthi (long time ago; time

immemorial) the Athma has been in the game of Karma

accumulating mountains of Karma.

 

The Jeevathma is given bodies based on the karma.

Remember that in the Leela Vibhoothis, the Jeevathma

already has the sukshma sarira. The suksma sarira is

there until we cross the Viraja river. We get rid of

the sukshama sariara in the Viraja river and enter

Vaikunta. The process of Moksham is granted only and

only by Sriman narayana. The process of ascending to

Moksham is described by Pillalokachari in his works on

ARCHARADHI.

 

Now, the process of descent to the earth and to the

womb is described in Dahara Vidya. The athma comes

along with the solar dust or some other stellar

particles. In the sky, it gets attached to the rain

particle and enters the ground. From the soil, it gets

into the plant and the plant/the seed containing the

Athma is eventually eaten by the individual (man), and

from the man eventually gets into the woman.

 

 

>Also, as jivatmas are never created or lost, does

that >mean the count of species population is always

the >same, for e.g in this universe??e.g..human

population >increases and the decrease in the fish

species..

 

Consider the leela vibhoothis is like a reservoir. If

you take few drops or even buckets of water, does it

deplete? Can we count the number of drops in an ocen

or a reservoir. Therefore, let us not try to count the

number of Athmas. However, my own conviction is that

Jeevathmas also keep entering the Leela Vibhoothi, and

some are leaving the Leela Vibhoothi for the Nithya

Vibhoothi. It said in all our scriptures that once the

jeevathma enters the Nithya Vibhoothi, it never comes

back. Yes, ther is no punarjanma because we enter the

Nithya Vibhoothi. It is my personal conviction that

there are some athmas in the Nithya Vibhoothi who have

not visted the Leela Vibhoothi. want to visit the

amusement of Leela Vibhoothi. My feeling is that the

traffic is bothways.

 

>BRAHMAN:

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>Does our consciousness always existed with the

jivatma >or due to the presence of Brahman along with

>jivatma???

 

I think the Budhi and Manas travel with us till we

have punarjanma and after. Only for the person, who is

granted Moksham, the person leaves the mind and bhudhi

after leaving the gross body.

 

>KARMA:

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>If the creation and caessation of body, the migration

>of the souls according to our karma, the liberation

of >souls, all these happen as a process , why do our

>ancestors say that Demi-God Brahma is the

>Creator and has already defined our FATE/DESTINY???

>Why do we need Shiva for destruction, if only

>realisation can result in the release of souls....

 

Lord Sriman Narayana is the one who gives the fruits

of the Karma (He can destroy the karma also). Since

the karma can not be consumed in one janma, He

instructed brahma to group karmas into various groups

and create bodies accordingly. Therefore, Brahma

writes our fate program (karma to be enjoyed in this

janma) on our forehead. The task is not easy since he

has to make complex programming to accomdodate evry

one's karma in a contemarary group. Actually, Lord

Sriman Narayan has instructed Brahma regarding the

complex process.

 

>Thx and Regards,

>Vasavi.

 

I don't know if I have answered adequately. I have

only very littel knowledge and wanted to express my

ignorance. Perhaps, some one with knowledge can better

explain. Meanwhile, please do not be discoraged to ask

questions. Together, we can reach better understanding

through questioning and discussion. Tyhe Upanishads

are full of questions and answers.

 

Jai Sriman Narayana

With All Glories to Lord Sriman Narayan!

 

Sincerely

Narender Reddy