Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Priya Sriman Bhadraiah Mallampalli ! We appreciate your concern for the Apourusheyathvam of Vedas. However, our opinions will not become Sasthras. We have to follow what Sasthras say if we wish to know the real facts. It is very clear and told by all our Purvacharyas that Vedas are "Apourusheyas". They were not authored by any one. Not even by Lord Narayana! Vedas show Lord Narayana is the Goal if any soul wants to get liberated from the pangs of the miseries of Samsara and attain Divine abode. As you have rightly quoted, Viswamithra, Vasishta etc., were all great Seers only. They have experienced the Eternal Sounds, as a result of their severe austerities and meditation that resonated with the Universal Truths which were revealed to them as Divine Sounds...Manthras. They have seen what already existed even before. When we simply pass statements like "according to Vedic Tradition..." we should be extremely careful for, the words thereafter do not come from some person's opinions, but they come from a lineage of tradition of Great Realised souls like Rishis, sages etc. There is much of ancient literature, to read and understand the whole, one life will not suffice. We are surprised to know that you have read all the ancient literature. Vedas are chanted with an intonation and Swara which is not known to any human beings than to simply chant that way. The Anupu:rvi of the Veda ie., the order in which Veda manthras are arranged is also not the work of the human brains. There are innumerable quotations in our scriptures which say that Vedas are Apourushe:yas. For your reference we quote one here.. "ana:di nidhana:hi e:sha: va:k uthsrushta: swayam bhuva: " said sages which means, Veda, the greatest of the wealths that has no beginning at all, has been expounded by Parama:thma. "Lord (remembering the order in which Vedas are chanted in the earlier Kalpam and) reveals Veda to the Bramha for the first time when Bramha was created (in this kalpam)" says Purusha Suktham (Ref- Sri Bhashyam De:vatha:dhikaranam ) (Ref- Sruthaprakasika Vyakhyanam) All sages and Rishis have expressed same view whenever they referred to this context. Vedas are also not composed by Gods as Gods are also followers of Veda confining themselves to their own limitations. If they are composers they might have composed everything in their favour, why should they flee or seek Guru, looking at Rakshasas? or why should they seek havirbha:gam from the Yagna:s !! Let us follow the sayings of our Great Sages who have dedicated their lives to reveal the Universal Truths to us. Leave about our people, Even many modern scholars of the West like Peter Raster also accepted the same thing that "Vedas are apourusheyas" with so many explanations. Few modern scholars who have dedicated their lives in doing research on few Vedic Manthras found a number of mysterious patterns and arrangements and logics not known to our human brains till today and so declared these are not any human compilations and finally declared that they are apourusheyas. Our sages said the same thing and even modern scholars and scientists are accepting the fact, after scrutinizing for hundreds and thousands of years. We don't know the new theories of the newly born scholars regarding the already established Universal Truths. Whether we accept or not Universal Truths cannot be changed by our feeble minds! Try to understand the facts as they are presented by our scriptures and then pass the statements as declared there. Otherwise "Our opinions" will only mislead us and others too. If we cannot help others, atleast let us not do harm... in the name of "Vedic Tradition". Jai Srimannarayana ! =chinnajeeyar= >> , "vaidhehi_nc" <nappinnai_nc> wrote: > >(i)Great acharyas say that "apourusheya,anadhi,shAstram,vEdAs". > Thu, 30 May 2002 20:23:32 -0400 > "Bhadraiah Mallampalli" > Re: Origin of the vEdAs... > > > Namaste, > The saying "vEdas are apourusheyas" is not to be > found in any of the ancient literature. We need > to understand the spirit of this saying, but we > should not take it literally at face value. > > The spirit of the saying is that vEdas are not > man-made or artificial in the sense they are > not mAnava-nirmitam. They are daiva-nirmitam, > or made by divine beings. Every deva such as > varuNa/viSNu or every seer such as > vizvAmitra/vaSiStHa is capable of propounding vEdas. > > The literal meaning "vEdas are not made by > puruSa" is actually illogical and wrong. In > this statement, the vedic word puruSa is used > in error inadvertantly. We have puruSa sUktam, > which describes vEda puruSa as cosmic form of > the universe and vEdas are described of > originating from puruSa. If vEdas are apouruSheyas, > then it leads to the defect that puruSa can > not speak out vEdas, thus invalidating puruSa sUktam. > > To give another example, to say "srImannArAyaNa > is a God" is perfect in usage, but literally the > word "God" as it was originally used does > not really help us. The 12th century english word > "God" is derived from a german root 'got' or Norse > 'guth' which is meant for a different divine > entity unrelated to srImannArAyaNa. As such, the > word "God" is now universally used for any divine > entity but that was not the original intent of the > word. > Same goes for puruSa, which was originally a vedic > word, but now used as generic for human beings. > So the statement 'vEdas are apouruSeyas" is > not according to vedic tradition because language > is technically inaccurate. We should only take the > spirit. > Regards > Bhadraiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Salutations to HH Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji, >It is very clear and told by all our Purvacharyas that Vedas >are >"Apourusheyas". They were not authored by any one. Not even by >Lord >Narayana! Dear Respected Jeeyar Swami: My original concern was that the word puruSa should not be just meant as ordinary human being, as the general understanding goes. I was trying to argue that puruSa is a much higher entity in the hierarchy of devas and we can not use the apourusheyas argument to reduce the importance of puruSa. I was not interested in attacking the apourusheya-nature of Vedas as such. But now Your argument brings up a pleasant surprise! I find it very joyful that you had actually elevated the dialog to a much higher level by saying Vedas are not authored by even Lord Narayana let alone puruSa. This is indeed a climax which I was not really expecting! Your argument will not disturb the correct meaning of the word puruSa and still insists that Vedas are apourusheyas, as the Vedas are higher than the puruSa! We are really blessed. I wish to now add that the statement "viSNu is yajna" is repeated at innumerable places in all of our literature (e.g., ai.br 1.15 or kau.br. iv.2). So there is really non-difference between viSNu and yajna; as a result the purANas are also correct about Lord Narayana giving us the Vedas. Who else can reveal the Vedas other than some one who is Himself yajna? praNaam Bhadraiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 Jai Ramji Ki! Respected Swamiji and Devotees: I wanted you to comment on what I have learnt about this issue. As I understand, the Vedas have not been authored by God in the form that we find the Vedas (except perhaps small sections of it, for example the Devisuuktam). But since the Vedas contain almost exclusively revealed knowledge, it has to come from God. Vedic rishis have written that in their communion, they obtained revelations from God and wrote those down in verses as best they could. God may not have written the verses, but He is certainly the source of these Scriptures. In the Gita, Arjuna calls Sri Krishna 'shashvatadharma goptaa'. Despite the eternal nature of the Vedas, they get lost after great lengths of time. This is what Sri Krishna told Arjuna in the Gita. The Mahabharata describes how the Vedic knowledge is reintroduced in the begining of each Kalpa by God and passed down through desciplic succession for a long time. Afte a long time, it is lost from the world and goes back to God. God teaches it again at the begining of the next kalpa. Therefore, God is also the primary teacher of the Vedas. Regards, Dhruba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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