Sanatan Dharma - reasons for the defeat of India

[Guest guest]

Dear Vir Gupta,

 

Whereas I don't want to undermine your on-their-own-level-valid

points, you have to approach this problem of Indian 1000 year old

weakness from a much deeper and more basic level.

 

Charaka Samhita, the celebrated book on Ayurveda, states that a

country will be invaded and destroyed when its inhabitants act

adharmic, live not in accord with Dharma, Natural Law.

 

> 2. Our kings follow Dharma Sastra.

If they really would have followed the Shastras, they would have

been strong enough to avert the danger. Following Shastras makes

one stronger, not weaker.

 

History reports many instances where the weaker side triumphed over

more numerous enemies. There is a Hindi proverb, Maharishi Mahesh

Yogi uses to quote: Great people reach their goals not through their

means but through their level of sattwa. See for example how the 5

Pandavas won against 100 Kuru-brothers, and even Pandavas army was

considerably smaller. BUT they had on their side one decisive aspect:

Lord Krishna, the personification of Dharma, the Natural Law, the

Will of God, the fountainhead of all the laws of nature.

 

When the mind becomes in tune with the Home of all the laws of nature

– ParamAtma - then all the devas, all the nature starts to support you.

So it is imperative for India and all other nations to realize the

first teaching of Lord Krishna: Nistray gunyo bhava Arjuna – Be without

the three gunas, transcend the relative states and realize what you are:

atmavan, pure consciousness, the universal Self.

 

Yoga Sutras state: Tat sannidhau vairatyagah. In the vicinity of That

(state of Yoga, Unity consciousness), enmity ceases.

 

The scriptures speak of a national armour – raashtriya kavach – which

gets build up when people live righteousness, when they live sattva.

Such effect can be measured even with the gross western scientific

methods. Over 40 sociological studies published in scientific journals

have described the power of Vedas

 

Rashtriya Kavach will proctect the nation – like India was protected in

the olden times from Alexander the Great – just like that, without

doing much. Later, unfortunately, India lost its collective wisdom -

enlightenment was reserved only to the monks, excluding the masses from

higher states of consciousness – and the dharma was lost and with it

the protection of nature.

 

All those points which you have raised are just the result of that

basic failure: lack of sattva, lack of enlightenment, lack of coherence

in national consciousness (national consciousness being structured by

the consciousness of the individuals of the nation).!!!

 

India, start to meditate! Start to transcend! Start to tap the hidden

powers within your children! Aham Atma Gudakesha sarva bhutashaya

sthitah! Realize the unboundedness WITHIN – whatever religion you belong.

No enemy to fight. Just light of God everywhere.

 

Only Veda can save us. So support Vedas. All other conventional

approaches of defence have repeatedly failed in the course of history

of mankind. No military power, no negotiations will establish permanent

peace. Remember that! Look at the USA: 300 Billion of dollars (1 billion

a day) spent on military and look what happened on 11.Sept.! What about

India then?

 

Therefore, India must take recourse to its own wisdom of the Tradion

of Vedic Masters.

 

With best wishes,

JAI GURU DEV

Shasa A. Ruzicka

Maharishi Ayurveda Clinic

Badems, Germany

[Guest guest]

Hi Shasa A. Ruzicka, Vir Gupta and all others,

 

I agree Vedas are the superior and the oldest books. But Alexander

was defeated on Banks of Sindhu by Army. He himself was surprised

to see the whole army and the elephant and horse warriors. But Veda

helped in formingh the army (i belive). Not simply the vedas wont

give protection. Krishna himself asked arjuna to war agains the

evils eventhough they are their blood relatives. Megasthanis has

written about the power of Army and power of men in the Hindu Rashtra

during the Maurya Kingdom.

 

So we want a strong Hindu Army!!! Not our Indian Army!

 

>India, start to meditate! Start to transcend! Start to tap the hidden

>powers within your children! Aham Atma Gudakesha sarva bhutashaya

>sthitah! Realize the unboundedness WITHIN – whatever religion you

>belong.

 

Everything will be possible only when there is a Hindu Rashtra which

considera Vedas as a Holy books and want to maintain the nation as a

Hindu Nation by law and means according to rules laid out in our

scriptures.

 

>No enemy to fight. Just light of God everywhere.

 

Enemies will always be there and we have to fight and win them.

Enemies may be inside you or outside, never matter. In Ramyana Rama

Himself killed Ravana as he did not follow dharma. He Himself has

to fight for dharma. Is there not a meditator in the period of Rama?

Everyone, including Ravana stict to meditation, got varams from Shiva.

His only wrong doing is he took Sita.

 

In MahaBharatha, Arjuna has been forced to kill all his relatives,

to establish Dharma.

 

Again,

We want a strong Hindu Army!!! Not our Indian Army!

 

>peace. Remember that! Look at the USA: 300 Billion of dollars (1

>billion a day) spent on military and look what happened on 11.Sept.! What about

>India then?

 

For now we have to save Vedas. Support vedas, if it flourishes it

could save us. US, a big miltary power, only one Sept 11.

We are being attacked daily:

July 24 2002

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July 26 2002 http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,2763,763359,00.html

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July 31 2002 http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/53763.htm

 

Adiyen,

Satakopa Ramanuja Dhasan,

Mohan

[Guest guest]

Dear Shasa A. Ruzicka:

 

Your points are well taken. Now let us be practical. You can

fight a Dharmic war if both sides obey same dharmic rules.

Muslims did not honor Hindu dharmic rules. They plundred the

cities, took women and children captives, looted temples and

property, and took delight in raping and killing innocent

civilians.

 

{For those on the list please read any valid, true

history book. You will see for yourself. You can also read

the history of temples that were plundered in South India.

The great Vedic Scholars/acharyas escaped and prayed to

God to give those who were plundering good sense, without

taking any revenge}

 

Hindu dharma books specifically speak against such actions.

In the chapter on "Great Slaughter" Moses took women and

children as captives, kills married women and male children,

gives unmarried girls as comfort girls to army people, and

looted enormous amount of property. In such adharmic situation,

dharmic rules have no meaning. Muslims destroyed universities,

burnt millions of books, burned monks and students alive, and

repeatedly raped Indian civilization. { Husbands were killed,

the widowed girls were used for mass production of

Muslim-warriors and slaves. They invited all the Vedic scholars

for so-called conferences and Sufi discussions and mass

murdered the scholars/monks (you can again refer the documented

history}

 

Every time Mohammad Ghouri or Mahmud Ghazanvi was captured we

released them and they came back with better understanding of

our weaknesses. And we licked their shoes. Somanath temple was

ransacked 17 times. So many times Hindu kings invited them and

so many time they assisted them, that it seems that we Hindus

had become the scums of this Earth. After Alexander the great

left India he made Selucid as the emperor of whole dominion

from Punjab to Iraq. With clever techniques of Chankya,

Chandragupta came to power and defeated Selucid in mere 5 days

and claimed Punjab, current Pakistan and 2/3rd of Afghanistan.

{this entire place was full of Vedic Practitioners once upon a

time}

 

I agree with you that Dharma does play an important part and when

people are not Sattvic, the country will fall. But is America

Sattvic? Absolutely not as per our Dharma Sastra. So military

strategy is very important. When a country is Sattvic, other look

towards the country as a guide. When a person is Sattvic, they

look towards him as a guide. So if every one follow the Sattvic

principals, whole country benefits because it becomes a role model

for others.

 

Islam has been exposed as being such a adharmic religion and in

near future there will be a reaction against such a faith on

global scale. Islam does treat women as slaves. Islam has no respect

for other faiths and hence such a religion, though dominating,

will start to shrink soon. Many Muslims are leaving Islam. They

are extremely critical about their Jehadi activities and the way

they treat women and other religions.

 

But we Vedics have a lot of weaknesses. We have closed door to

conversion for centuries. It is the most stupid thing. It is not

by closing doors but by educating others the religion progresses.

Hinduism has a lot of good points, but caste system must go, and

equality of men and women must be practiced. We do worship goddesses

but we do not treat our women properly. Enlightenment is not the

monopoly of men only. It is open to all. We must learn from our

Sastras. Mahabharata says that charity is the greatest virtue,

but few Hindus practice it. It is only when we practice equality,

charity, respect for women, and deep faith in divine we can

overcome the enemy within and elsewhere.

 

Vir Gupta

> "" <amritasyaputra wrote:

>Dear Vir Gupta,