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The jiva is given identity from the soul of God, god takes a bit of his/her soul

and imbues it with individuality, or how Bhaktisiddhanta describes it "an

adultered portion of divinity".

 

this is why bhedabheda is in effect, we are made of god's soul, therefore we

exist as a shared consciousness.

 

it's not that jivas have always existed, for a jiva to exist ,God has to adulter

a portion of him/herself, and imbue that portion with self awareness.

 

since we are made up of a portion of the eternal we therefore can be considered

without beginning, but in fact our individuality had to be adultered from the

One eternal consciousness/infinite reality.

 

to say that there is only Hari is only partially correct, the vedic scriptures

do this all the time,all shastra ,all verses do not give the full story in

every verse, it is a step by step process.

 

I think therefore i am, Am I existing everywhere ?

No, Is Hari existing everywhere ? yes

 

Therefore I am not Hari,therefore everything is not Hari in full.

 

Since we exist as part of Hari, we are therefore partially Hari, since Hari also

has an existence beyond our limited one, we are not the same as Hari.

 

therefore we are comprised of Hari and are one with Hari,also Hari has many

aspects of existence that we do not partakle of therfore we are unique from

Hari, Hari is all, we are not.

 

Therefore to say there is only Hari is partially correct, there is Hari and

there is ourselves, bhedabheda, all is Hari, and there is part of Hari that is

different then Hari, not all powerfull, not omnipresent, and limited by our

nature,whereas Hari is unlimited.

 

This should be obvious, if you take the vedas as all in all, and your concept

includes illogical conclusion, like there is only Hari, when we know we exist

and we are not Hari, then you have to rethink your interpretation of the vedic

literature to make it come out logical.

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Jai Ramji Ki!

 

Dear Friends:

 

I cannot accept that the Jivaatman ever was altered in any way. In the SBG, Sri

Krishna says that the Jivaatman is eternal and has always remained changeless.

He always refers to the Jivaatman in the singular and in the 13th chapter

explains the multiplicity of Jivaatman as the One Jivatman present in the bodies

as if divided, that is, it is not truly divided. Sri Krishna's Saamkhya differs

from the Saamkhya kaarikaa in this respect.

 

Any comments?

 

Regards,

 

Dhruba.

 

 

"sssshiva2002" <sssshiva2002 wrote:

origin and nature of jiva

 

Excerpts:

The jiva is given identity from the soul of God, god takes a bit of his/her soul

and imbues it with individuality, or how Bhaktisiddhanta describes it "an

adultered portion of divinity".

 

It's not that jivas have always existed, for a jiva to exist ,God has to adulter

a portion of him/herself, and imbue that portion with self awareness.

 

since we are made up of a portion of the eternal we therefore can be considered

without beginning, but in fact our individuality had to be adultered from the

One eternal consciousness/infinite reality.

 

Since we exist as part of Hari, we are therefore partially Hari, since Hari also

has an existence beyond our limited one, we are not the same as Hari.

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it is not the jivatma that was altered, Bhagavan adulterates a portion

of himself, taking a portion of cognizant energy,Param Atma,

and imbues with it's own sense of self.

 

In that sense we have a connection to non beginningness,

Param Atma is infinite and eternal ,without beginning nor end,

that is the dual nature of reality.

 

We have a different nature then Param Atma, while we

are made up of the same substance as Param Atma, cognizant

energy, we exist due to the manipulation by Param Atma

of his own being.

 

So we are changeless, that doesn't mean that Krsna

didn't have to bring us into existence, since our conception

and for eternity we remain the same.

 

 

 

 

, Dhurba wrote:

> Jai Ramji Ki!

>

> Dear Friends:

>

> I cannot accept that the Jivaatman ever was altered in any way. In

the SBG, Sri Krishna says that the Jivaatman is eternal and has

always remained changeless. He always refers to the Jivaatman in the

singular and in the 13th chapter explains the multiplicity of

Jivaatman as the One Jivatman present in the bodies as if divided,

that is, it is not truly divided. Sri Krishna's Saamkhya differs from

the Saamkhya kaarikaa in this respect.

>

> Any comments?

>

> Regards,

>

> Dhruba.

>

>

> "sssshiva2002" <sssshiva2002> wrote:

> origin and nature of jiva

>

> Excerpts:

> The jiva is given identity from the soul of God, god takes a bit of

his/her soul and imbues it with individuality, or how Bhaktisiddhanta

describes it "an adultered portion of divinity".

>

> It's not that jivas have always existed, for a jiva to exist ,God

has to adulter a portion of him/herself, and imbue that portion with

self awareness.

>

> since we are made up of a portion of the eternal we therefore can

be considered without beginning, but in fact our individuality had

to be adultered from the One eternal consciousness/infinite reality.

>

> Since we exist as part of Hari, we are therefore partially Hari,

since Hari also has an existence beyond our limited one, we are not

the same as Hari.

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