SACRILEGIOUS COMMENTS BY JAYENDRA SARASWATI

[Guest guest]

Jai Srimannarayana!

 

Kanchi Seer, Jayendra Saraswati, is passing sacrilegious, baseless, hurting

comments on HH Sri Sri Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji out of jealousy and personal

selfish reasons.

 

We, all devotees in USA, request Kachi Seer, Jayendra Saraswati:

- to stop passing such comments immediately

- follow instructions as directed and dictated by HH Sri Sri Sri Chinna Jeeyar

- not to get involved in the Thirumala matters as he an Advaiti and does not

belong to Sri Vaishnava Sampradaya

 

We request him not to indulge and get involved in Sri Vaishnava temple matters

or any matters related to Sri Vaishnava Shrines anywhere.

 

We also request Kanchi Seer, Jayendra Saraswati to apologize to HH Sri Sri Sri

Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji.

 

 

It is duty of all devotees worldwide, followers of HH, all Vaishnavas and all

followers of the true Vedic Culture to strongly oppose this.

 

Please respond!

 

 

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Seer hits out at Jeeyar (Source Deccan Chronicle)

Hyderabad, Jan. 29:

 

Sankaracharya of Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham Jayendra Saraswati unleashed his anger

at Tridandi Chinna Srima-narayana Ramanuja Jeeyar and termed him a religious

“preacher” akin to a Father in a Church. “Chinna Jeeyar is not a religious

head. He has no right to change the age old rituals being followed in Tirumala,”

the Kanchi Seer said.

 

"If he wants to know what is going on in Tirumala, he can come to me and talk

with me. I will show him how the rituals are being followed in Tirumala,” he

said.

 

The Vishishtaadvytham method followed by Chinna Jeeyar is useful for preaching

and not praying to the lord, the Kanchi seer clarified.

[Guest guest]

Jai SrimanNrayana!!!

 

How can we respond to SARASWATI's email? Also it may be a good idea to collect

group comments from diffrent people and send it as petition. He has no

authority to talk about... Also we need to some how involve TV Asia news or

some other media to address this issue so everyone will be aware of Tirumala

issue. Sending email among us may not justice... Also need to send an article

to India Abroad and followed by updates.. This is just few ideas that I could

think off..

 

ramanuja dasi

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Vaishnavas,

 

Regarding the posting, "SACRILEGIOUS COMMENTS BY

JAYENDRA SARASWATI rrrd9999,

 

it is necessary to remember the verse,

Sadris'am c'eshtate savsaya'h prakrter gna'nava'napi in Srimad Bhagavad Gita.

 

Everyone acts according to his basic nature. Kanchi Sankaracharya Swamy is

interfering in Ayodhya tmple matter also, inviting rebuke from Sri Pejawar

Swamiji that he should keep off Sri Vaishnava temples. But he cannot get over

his desire to get publicity and persists in activities unconnected with his

Mutt's mandate.

 

Cornelius Titus said, The desire for fame is the last infirmity cast away wven

by the wise. Sri Kanchi Swamiji is a living example of this saying.

 

He is also fired with hatred of Sri Vaishnavism. He believes that Tirumala was

once a Siva temple appropriated by Sri Vaishnavas. He sems to have chanted

Namas's'va'ya while worshipping at Tirumala, though the matter was hushed up. He

wrote that the word Sri in Sri Bhashya means poison and that it indicates that

Sri Ramanuja's work is venomous. Further, he seems to be changing Ac'yuta'ya

namah, Ananta'ya namah, Govinda'ya namh in Sandhya as S'ankara'ya namh,

Maha'deva'ya namah etc.

 

All his acts only show his dislike of Sri Vaishnavism. It is best to ignore his

actions. By doing things going against the hoary traditions of his own order, he

is only diminishing his stature and is bound to lose his clout. By geting

distressed by his actions, we may be giving him the publicity he seeks.

 

Sri Paras'ara Bhattar has said,

Di'rgham asmad mata'yuh

[Our religion has a long life] Kanchi Swami cannot cut it short.

 

Sri Vedanta Desika asked,

Ka's'anka' s'akara'der bhajati yatipatau bhadravedi' trivedi'm

[is there any doubt that men like Sankara cannot defeat the path of Sri

Ramanuja] [Yatiraja Saptati-70]

 

Adiyen Madhurakavidasan,

TCASrinivasaramanujan

 

> Jai Srimannarayana!

>

> Kanchi Seer, Jayendra Saraswati, is passing

> sacrilegious, baseless, hurting comments on HH Sri

> Sri Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji out of jealousy and

> personal selfish reasons.

>

> We, all devotees in USA, request Kachi Seer,

> Jayendra Saraswati:

> - to stop passing such comments immediately

> - follow instructions as directed and dictated by HH

> Sri Sri Sri Chinna Jeeyar

> - not to get involved in the Thirumala matters as he

> an Advaiti and does not belong to Sri Vaishnava

> Sampradaya

>

> We request him not to indulge and get involved in

> Sri Vaishnava temple matters or any matters related

> to Sri Vaishnava Shrines anywhere.

>

> We also request Kanchi Seer, Jayendra Saraswati to

> apologize to HH Sri Sri Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji.

>

>

> It is duty of all devotees worldwide, followers of

> HH, all Vaishnavas and all followers of the true

> Vedic Culture to strongly oppose this.

>

> Please respond!

>

> __

> Seer hits out at Jeeyar (Source Deccan Chronicle)

> Hyderabad, Jan. 29:

>

> Sankaracharya of Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham Jayendra

> Saraswati unleashed his anger at Tridandi Chinna

> Srima-narayana Ramanuja Jeeyar and termed him a

> religious “preacher” akin to a Father in a Church.

> “Chinna Jeeyar is not a religious head. He has no

> right to change the age old rituals being followed

> in Tirumala,” the Kanchi Seer said.

>

> "If he wants to know what is going on in Tirumala,

> he can come to me and talk with me. I will show him

> how the rituals are being followed in Tirumala,” he

> said.

>

> The Vishishtaadvytham method followed by Chinna

> Jeeyar is useful for preaching and not praying to

> the lord, the Kanchi seer clarified.

[Guest guest]

I am expressing my dissent in reaction to the remarks made by some revered

saints like Sri Jayendra Saraswati Swamiji and another Saraswati swami of vizag.

 

My reaction is based on the articles in the Hindu, Andhra Pradesh Edition, Dated

Feb 29th.

 

Here is the article on Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji's objections on TTD activities

:

 

http://www.hindu.com/2004/03/01/stories/2004030101980500.htm

 

and following are the opinions of the Kanchi Seer, Sri Jayendra Saraswati

Swamiji

 

http://www.hindu.com/2004/03/01/stories/2004030102010500.htm

 

The Kanchi Seer says that - "There were no short comings & the rituals at

Tirumala were being performed in strict adherence."

 

OK, let it be so, because these words come from a revered saint, who is the

successor to the divine Shankaracharya, Sri Chandrasekhara Saraswati Swamiji.

 

Its been mentioned in the responses, that a non-srivaisnavaite saint has nothing

to do with the Tirumala. It is absolutely true. Sri Kanchi seer should not

figure in any issues with Tirumala as he is in no way related to them. Its like

intruding into others matters.

 

I don't want to end my disgust with just the above two lines. While they are the

truth, lets see where Sri Kanchi seer's statements caused pain amongst us and

where his holiness should have taken utmost care in giving out the public

statements without any knowledge of what is happening..He would have been a

welcome guest, if he understood the issues and came up some suggestions in

support.

 

The Kanchi seer should not have gone to the papers and given his statements in

public. His holiness should have atleast first found out, what were the points

on which Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami vaaru protested. Then if he was really keen, he

should have understood each point and give his view points on them. I am sure,

if he understood the issues and their gravity, he could not have come up with

such statements.

 

Even after understanding these issues, if Sri Kanchi seer felt that something

needs to be added there without hurting anyone or without intruding into

anyone's faith, he could have then given out some opinions in the news papers.

If the Kanchi seer wanted to really argue, even then, he should have given his

opinions on each and every objection raised by Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami vaaru

after getting a thorough knowledge on them. Just giving a blind statement that

"Every thing in Tirumala, is in accordance, does not convince us. Even kids

require specific answers and not generic statements to their questions."

 

And before I could finish this writing, I read an article in a Telugu News paper

eenadu (March 3rd edition)

 

Earlier (in the Hindu article above), the Kanchi seer wanted to talk to Sri

Chinna Jeeyar Swami vaaru in private, if the later was willing. In this eenadu

column, the Kanchi seer now says that there is no need to talk to Sri Chinna

Jeeyar Swami vaaru as Sri Jeeyar swami vaaru has agreed that he is not trying to

change the vaikhanasa tradition at Tirumala.

 

So, one day a statement is made in haste and before anyone could react to it,

another statement is made saying that the earlier statement does not hold

weight..

 

This is the way of a politician and not a world renowned spiritual leader.

 

I have to go back to my memories...Last year when the Kanchi seer was involved

in the Ayodhya negotiations, a reporter had asked the member of parliament,

Somnaath Chatterjee, as to what he thinks of the seer's involvement. Somnath

chatterjee gave harsh and hurting comments about the Kanchi seer (He is a

spiritual leader and what is he doing here regarding, Ayodhya?". Those comments

of Somnath chatterjee really hurt me as I felt that a great spiritual saint was

being insulted and there is no protection to our dharma in this own country of

ours.. Today what the Kanchi seer is doing.. He is commenting on my master,

without knowing the facts. Isn't it similar?. Do you just give comments because

some media persons approached you. How can a great spiritual saint be dragged

into the temptation of giving a statement just because some people approach him.

He should have maintained silence over the issue (as he is now doing in the case

of Ayodhya) since he does not have full details of it. I

am sure, he does not have full details of it.

 

* If he knows all the points, we request his holiness to publish his answers.

 

* If he doesn't, he should have found them out from Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami

vaaru.

 

* If the Kanchi seer, felt egoistic about the fact that he was not invited into

the discussions by Sri Jeeyar Swami vaaru, then he should have remained silent.

 

When ancient structures in Tirumala were being dismantled, Sri Jeeyar Swami

vaaru first acted to stop further damage. Obviously he had no time to take the

opinion of each and every person, as to whether or not those structures need to

be retained or not.

 

* If the Kanchi seer was really so particular about the Tirumala, he should have

taken part in the discussions that happened with the TTD. When Sri Jeeyar Swami

vaaru left for Tirumala, he was having high fever.

 

I had visited the Kanchi seer once in Bangalore. I am sorry to say, but he could

not sit for more than a limited time before devotees. I am not sure how much

time he spends with devotees. But my Swami, he spends hours chatting with

devotees, understanding their problems and trying to solve them. He is awake

till late night most of the times.

 

* The Kanchi seer has given a small remark about the in-appropriateness of TTD

releasing funds towards the Gita Jyothi Programme. Firstly and foremostly as it

has been repeatedly said, the TTD funds are not of real importance as blessed

devotees have been contributing towards the success of the programme in many

ways. If these seers who comment on these funds have to do anything with them,

let them come out with programmes on par with Gita Jyothi. Let them undertake

the hardwork and responsibility that Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami vaaru has taken on

himself. Then, if the outcome of the programme is beneficial to the society and

the tradition, their comments can be given a look.

 

* And there are some who just sitting at a place and declaring themselves as

peethadhipatis (like the saraswati swami of vizag did) - what are they proving

to the world?

 

Do they intend to change the minds of all bad people and control mother nature

by just sitting at their peethams and using their so called spiritual powers?

They should then know of the harsh fact that even when God came down to this

earth, He could not change the adamant minds of evil doers. He had to kill them

as He could not change them. They should know that God Himself had to lead a

real strenuous life in the process. Sri Jeeyar Swami vaaru leads such a hard and

strenuous life. I have been with him for the past 10 years. He is always with

devotees. For the past 3 years, He has been working hard alone for this

programme. Through this programme he is trying to spread the message of the Lord

and also inculcate it in a practical sense into the minds of thousands of

people.Not only that, as a part of this programme lots of service activities are

being carried out. Lots of dedicated devotees who include very powerful and

great souls have come forward with the willingness to contribute

in many ways towards the success of this programme. Like each small drop

contributing to an ocean, all their efforts are culminating into a great Gita

Jyothi. Full information on this programme can be obtained from authentic

sources and the JET institution.

 

*If someone thinks that Sri Jeeyar Swami vaaru had started all this for the sake

of getting fame and popularity, I have two strong points against such beliefs :

 

1) If Sri Jeeyar Swami vaaru wanted to be popular, he could have built many

engineering colleges and hospitals and earned enough money with them. With money

comes power and fame automatically.

 

2) Even if someone says that it was for fame, then he should be aware of the

monumental efforts that Sri Jeeyar swami vaaru is pumping into this programme as

a one man army. He sleeps scantily. He is always preparing discourses, documents

and planning a lot to mobilise the programme to a great success.

 

* Coming to Tirumala and the recent activities there, Sri Chinna jeeyar swami

vaaru voiced the following concerns, to my knowledge :

 

1) Historical monuments at Tirumala should not be touched. While its acceptable

to improve the existing facilities for pilgrims, it should not be at the cost of

these sacred structures which have a high religious and historical importance.

 

2) The sanctity of Tirumala needs to be maintained.

 

Now whats political in this?

 

If a similar thing happened with some other religious structure, will those

people keep quiet?. Voicing your protest against these misdeeds - does it mean

getting politically involved?

 

If it comes to politics, who was it that was involved in the Ayodhya discussions

on a national wide scale and what was the outcome ( though, I must still say

here that I was in full support of the move by Sri Jayendra Saraswati Swamiji,

as he tried to represent a voiceless Indian tradition).

 

And again and again, the Kanchi seer says that Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami vaaru is

trying to interfere with the vaikhanasa tradition of Tirumala. Sri Chinna Jeeyar

Swami vaaru had many times said that, "The Vaikhaanasa and the Paancharaatra"

traditions are like two eyes to a Sri vaishnavaite. It is advised that

non-vaishnavaite people stay away from these, however high stature they might

possess. Otherwise, it has to be construed that a similar "Divide and Rule"

policy of the Britishers is being employed to disrupt the unity of

Sri-Vaishnavaites by outsiders for their own personal gain.

 

* Sri Kanchi seer also stated that its improper for political parties to support

Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami vaaru. Let me clarify here that Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami

vaaru always distanced himself from politics. But we as his supporters feel

really happy, if a political party is supporting his cause. After all, a King

has to respect and support the guidance and preachings of an aacharya. Atleast

some support is coming from somewhere right?. Was such support available in the

case of Ayodhya?

 

In his earlier statement Sri Kanchi seer said that if required, he will speak

with Sri Chinna Jeeyar swami vaaru, but not in presence of the media and there

is no controversy regarding this.

 

I have three points here :

 

1) If Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami vaaru felt about taking Sri Kanchi seer's opinion,

then it makes sense for the Kanchi Seer to have discussions. However, if its not

the case and if the Kanchi seer himself feels that its imperative to meet Sri

Chinna Jeeyar swami vaaru, he should make such a move from his side and know the

facts.

 

2) If his suggested discussion with Sri Jeeyar Swami vaaru, should not be in the

presence of the media, then why were these opinions aired to the media in the

first place?.

 

3) And if today the media was involved, what stops the involvement of media in

the discussions that the Kanchi seer wanted to have with Sri Jeeyar Swami vaaru.

If the media came into the picture now, why hide them then?.

 

Anyways, Sri Kanchi seer made another statement that now the discussions are not

required. Its left to his holiness, but why make those forward and backward

comments one after the other within no time.. If its the fault of the media,

which pulled Sri Kanchi Swami to give his comments, then also he should have

maintained silence, because his voice has a lot of power and can guide /

mis-guide lots of people around the world. Seeing the sensitivity of the issue

in the hearts of we followers of Sri Jeeyar Swamivaaru atleast, the Kanchi seer

should have kept quiet over the issue.

 

* Sri Kanchi seer also says that the Vishistaadvaitic tradition of Sri Jeeyar

Swami vaaru was useful only for propaganda.

 

If it comes to that, I can myself bring out the loop holes in the popular

advaita philosophy and how they were all pointed out by our Sri EmberumAnAr.

 

Just because Advaita is popular amongst a few learned intellectuals, need not

necessarily mean that its "The True One". There are other philosophies too,

which have their own logical arguments towards the truth.

 

And people who believe in the illusion theory, should keep away from these

issues as all these are nothing but illusion to them. For them, an Ayodhya

temple or a Tirumala Shrine shouldn't cause too much concern.

 

I sometimes wonder really because earlier the advaitis tried to argue that

Srinivasa was either a Shakti, Shiva or a Murugan. Atleast they should have

stuck to one God here. And why should they bother again here?. All forms should

be equal to them, right?. They should not see these differences, right?.

Sometimes, I try to give an answer to myself saying that some of them have a

concept of an Ishta daivam, till they realize and go beyond that ishta daivam.

 

Regarding the other pontiff, Sri Saraswati swamiji's comments, I think many

points from above also apply to his holiness.

 

Instead of being unified in protecting our tradition and going hand in hand

(which ever philosophy it might be), we are fighting by getting into the media

and becoming a laughing stock in the eyes of the world. It had happened in the

past - Intra and internal conflicts taking huge proportions and stopping the

progress of the tradition. And its happening even today. There is no end to it

and we didn't learn anything from the past.

 

And I would like to end by saying that these comments by the revered seers could

have pained many children of Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami vaaru. We lost respect and

love that we had for these seers. But still as the Children of our Swamivaaru,

we try to maintain high regard for them.

 

All these statements are purely from my own mind and my pen. As a child of my

Swami, I didn't want to remain silent and voiced my dissent. I might be wrong in

some of my conclusions here, but on the whole I wanted it to be known. I am not

sure, if this is correct or wrong - But I felt like giving it out. I waited for

two days, thinking whether it is appropriate for me to go ahead. Then I thought,

that if there is some mistake here, then let God punish me. He did it in the

past. Its nothing new for me and I can happily take it. But I cannot stay back

from retaliating in this context, however unrelated or far fetched I might be

from the whole issue. The only relation I have is that I am my master's child.

 

I am not even bothered about what distance this mail goes. I am happy that I

made my statement in support of my master.

 

Also, if it is felt that this mail may be objectionable, it need not be

published to the group. I will still feel satisfied about the whole thing..

 

JAI SRIMAN NARAYANA

 

Maruthi Ramanuja Das

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Jai Srimanarayana,

 

H.H.Holiness Sri.Sri.Tridandi chinnajeeyar, image has grown to heights with his

transperantal approach to the Human kind with his speaches for Abala Gopalam.

Our Swamiji is a heart and Sole of entire hindu relegious community of our

devotees in India and abroad. A silly kanchi kamakoti swamiji words on media

does not refleact any impact on swamiji, say vyshnava or syva, the differeance

fealt by kanchi kamakoti must be rectified in the matter of Tirumal shrine.

 

Sri Chinnajeeyar Swamiji is absolutely realistic in protecting the shrine in

implimenting the master plan and the Seevas being rendered in the Tirumala

Temple of Sri Lord Balaji.

 

A BJP backed Political person and one who ran away with anger from Ashram,

kanchi Jayendra Saraswathi Swamy has no realistic view on vyshnava temples or

agamas, he has no right to talk on Chinnajeeyar Swamiji he has no right at all.

 

We Pray the god to stop this Polically motivated Kanchi Kamakoti Swamiji to

occupy Vajpayee Prime minister position and resign his so called Peetadhipathi

positon in Kanchi. He is seeming to be Dictator.

[Guest guest]

Priya Sriman !

 

Mangalasasanams of HH Sri Swamiji

 

Your retaliation this way serves only a little community. It

is not enough. You should do better and more. Let all the truth seekers know

the facts. It is required to understand few more things like....

 

1. Claimed Kanchi "Mattadhipathis" are building Siva Temples

in Tirumala against the purity of Srivaishnavite shrine. Even Sri Adi

Sankaracharya never recommended anyone to build or worship Siva ! He himself

worshipped Lakshmi Narasimha. He followed Visishtadwaitha. He guided everyone

to follow the Narayana Thaththwa. He never said that Siva and VIshnu are one.

He very well knows that it is a foolish statement. This concept came recently

due to the incompetent scholars coming into the field and authority ! But,

today these so called claimed Mattadhipathis doesn't even know that they are

violating Puranas and Sasthras and the holy Veda itself. Unfortunately, for

them the exaggerated portions of Tulasi Ramayana have become authentic rather

than original Valmiki Ramayana of 24000 wonderful Slokas !! Pitiable !!

 

2. They wanted to put the image of Siva everywhere and

mislead people so that these ignorant people always continue in their

"Illusion", thus, they can take advantage of it.

 

3. They have built many structures and they changing some

existing structures to prove that Tirupathi- Tirumala is a Siva Shrine. If

someone asks they started arguing that both are one and the same.

 

4. Sri Ramanuja wonderfully dealt the Sasthras and defeated

all the Adwaithis and established the Visishtadwaitha System as taught by

Great Rishis and Acharyas, from Vedas.

 

5. Now these "claimed..." want to use their political power

and money power to gain all the favour of satisfying their own egos in the

name of Siva and Vishnu. They don't even know to respect both. We Vaishnavas

always respected Siva as a great Vaishnavite and as a great devotee as told by

Vedas everywhere.

Infact, a true devotee of Lord Narayana is more than

Lord Narayana Himself, because Lord Narayana likes to dwell in his Heart as told

in many places of Bhagavadgitha, in Sasthras, Puranas etc.This sort of respect

and worship is being misinterpreted by some ' ill scholarly ' opportunists to

show that Siva and VIshnu are one and the same. Is you and your grandfather one

and the same ?? Those who talk of "Illusion has no right to speak at all on

this subject ". Let them be confined to their "illusion". To satisfy their

egos and escape from duties and responsibilities they say everything is

"Illusion" but when it comes to Truth like hunger, suffering, enjoyment, pain

why can't they bear the same ideal they themselves imposed ?? Here again they

want everything as usual, they don't compromise. This is how they are playing

with the devotees and taking advantage of the ignorance of uneducated (in

spiritual matters)- and naive devotees and also

misleading and confusing the devotees taking them away from the truths that

Sasthras actually taught !!!

 

It is not the time to keep silent. IT is the time to act and

react. We may live or die, it doesn't matter, but, if some glorious tradition

that leads humanity to the higher and nobler lives, gets ruined, it is more

painful to God. It hurts God who always wished everyone to respect each other

and live harmoniously, worshipping their own systems and traditions in the right

way, without polluting others and other systems.

When there is more inflow of money for TTD, people started

to war against TTD and Srivaishnavism and they are trying to say that they also

have right, they also want share, they also are eligible, they also want the

share of name, fame, respect, wealth and glory that which they are not supposed

to claim. It shows that everybody is jealous of Flourishing Srivaishnavism and

they are trying to own the control over the system and change it according to

their selfish ends.

We should put an end to it.

 

Think again... Dear Devotees....

 

The whole problem began because, we are giving undue respect

to the undeserving people just in the name of blind faith. (The way how we

respected foreign traders during 14th century who came to India to rob our

wealths and prosperity !! ) Let it not be blind faith. Make it "faith"

with authentic Knowledge of Truth and also Experience of Truth !! Life is

short. IF you realise and serve the noble purpose of God you will be blessed,

if not we don't know how many millions of years it takes again to take a human

birth (What our Sasthras say) !!

 

O Human ! Don't be misled by the selfish motives under the

mask of "Big" people. Don't encourage anything that is against Sasthra !

 

"Know that really great people never feel that they are

great (even at the bottom depths of their hearts ), it is the mean ones who

really have that mountain of ego who say that they are superior over others,

that they alone are great" Also such egoists try to refuse to accept the

greatness and identity of others.

 

Great people respect everybody and keep everything holy

thus, preserving its pristine purity. They never pollute things, traditions

and concepts. Try to understand and follow the noble path. Follow one and

follow it pure. When we try to convert one thing to the other it means we are

polluting the natural system. We have no regard to one system. Then it means

you are disrespecting one system. That lays foundation for your spiritual

downfall. Such converters are harmful to the environment and the society,

whether they are within or outside the system. Beware !!!

 

Don't become victims of falsehood and opportunists. "

Worship your own - Respect all. God is one but, His forms are many. One form

cannot be equal to the other because their attributes differ and their

purposes differ.. according to the device that form has chosen. It is similar

to an example like, Current is one but, its forms are many and it depends on the

device through which it flows. Every device will have its own sytems and

controls and purposes. Because of that you can't call current and TV are one

and the same or current and Light are one and the same, or current and motor

are one and the same. But, If some one says so you can think how wise it is.

Because we can't see current or because current takes every form that, current

is just "illusion". If someone says so, we can think how good their logic is

and how near to Truth they are !. Those who have clear idea of the Sasthras

will have clear idea of what is what and how. Just by knowing

Motor I can't say that I know every thing about Current. It is as foolish to

say, that because I byhearted whole Veda and became recognised as a Vedic

scholar, that whatever I decide is the substance of Veda ! It takes several

thousands of lives to know a little bit of it. You might be knowing the story

of great sage "Bharadwaja" who stands as an example for such attempt.

 

Appeal :- Dear Devotees respond to Truth and teach everyone to follow the

following two great truths for the good of the whole Universe.

1. WORSHIP YOUR OWN. RESPECT ALL.

2. SERVE ALL BEINGS AS SERVICE TO GOD.

 

Our life is meant to realise Noble things and march towards the

higher path of divinity. If not... it is a mere waste !! Nothing more than

beasts, insects and worms !

 

Having Mutts or being Muttadhipathis or Peettadhipathis or having

wealths and treasure reserves doesn't help you at all in this path. IT is only

the pure perennial tradition and its practice, that saves "YOU" . Blessings of

Lord through great Acharyas like Bhagavad Ramanuja, HH Sri Tridandi CHinnajeeyar

Swamiji who accommodated the whole world into their heart, will make one

realise the Truths. Choice is yours.... whether to protect such traditions in

their purity or to pollute them with viral thoughts and ego satisfying

convictions that aim at some selfish ends ! ??

 

May devotees forgive me for any mistakes and bouncingly Respond

to the noble cause on a big way with all their might and valour, in service of

our Great Acharyas and Gurus.

 

Jai Srimannarayana !

 

 

 

srikaryam

=krishna=

[Guest guest]

Apadapama Hartharam Dhatharam Sarva Sampadam LokabhiRamam Sri Ramam Bhuyo Bhuyo

Namamyaham. Nammalwar Divya Cahranou Sharanam Prapadye Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha.

 

For the past few hundred years, the Hindu tradition has been that Smarthas do

not interfere in Vaishnava temples, and Vaishnavas do not interefere in the

smartha temples. Followers of the advaitic philosophy (propagated by Sri

Jayendra Saraswathi) do not believe in Paramathma. The Vaishnava tradition

follows the divya Vaikanasa Agamam and the divya Pancharathra Agamam. The

Vaishnava tradition (according to both of the Agamas) believes that the

presiding Deities present in the Vaishnava temples are archavatharam

(worshipable incarnation) of Pramathma. The Vaishnava (Vishista-advaitha and

Dwaitha) and the advaithic traditions represent two diametrically opposing

philosophies. Therefore, it is misfitting for the followers of advaithic

philosophy to have any say in the functioning of Vaishnava temples as their

philosophy is against the existence of such temples.

 

The recent comments by H.H. Sri Jayendra Saraswathi criticizing His Holiness

Sri Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swamy represent a blatent attack on the followers of

Visista-advaitham and ultimately on the propagators of Vaishnava tradition Sri

Bagavad Ramanuja and Sri Narada Mahamuni and Sri VyasaMahamuni.

 

Noninterference and nonviolence form the core of the Vedic tradition and Hindu

philosophy. Infighting by leaders of Hinduism will only lead to the break down

of the age old Vedic tradition. In-fighting among our kings led to the entrance

of avaidika (nasthika) mathams into the great land of Bharatha, and has aided

the kali purusha. Therefore, our religious leaders should act with restraint and

mutual respect without aiding or being influenced by kalipurusha.

 

Thirumala Nagare Anudinam Anupadravam Vardaya Samvardaya!

Simad Ananda Nilaye Anudinam Anupdravam Vardaya Samvardaya!

 

With all glories to Lord Sri Venkateswara, I remain,

Sincerely

Narender P. Reddy

[Guest guest]

Jai Sriman Narayana

Adiyan Daasoham

 

Our Jeeyar Swami is Jeeyar Swami. Noone can defeat him because, what he says he

implements not like Jayendra Saraswati. That's why he was attacked by some

dangerous group of people in the North India, but somehow by God's grace he is

out of that accident safely,( some 7 to 8 years back, I guess).

 

Krishna in Gita also says something about winning over our indriams for which

one has to first leave the vishayavaasana (interest in unwanted things which

will not benifit anyone in paraloka but will be counted as sin, as it is done

for self enjoyment and selfishness). As this Kanchi swamiji is doing this and

not following the Gita or any Sastras, he is unfit for that position and will be

brought down automatically.

 

As Lord already shown him his anger 7 to 8 years back, he has to realize that

and go in a right way which he is not doing. So he may have to face some dire

consequences this time, if he goes on uttering such kind of wrong preachings and

write everything in favour of him.

 

He has to atleast realize, that Shiva will not present in everyone where as Lord

Narayana do and Lord Narayana created Brahma and inturn Brahma created Shiva.

Hence Shiva is grandson of Lord. If he doesn't know this small relation, then he

is very much unfit for the position. Hence no need to worry about him. Lord will

take care of him very soon.

 

It is also waste to talk about such people.

 

Jai Sriman Narayana.

Regards

Narasimhan Nallani

[Guest guest]

Sri Jayendra Saraswati cannot be regarded as a Sankaracharya at all! A self

declared so called sanyasi, so called peetadhipathi misleading people and media.

 

 

"On August 25, 1987 as speculation about the whereabouts of Jayendra Saraswati

mounted, the Sankaracharya of Dwaraka, Swaroopananda Saraswati, camping at Pune

for the Chaturmasya Vrata, while demanding a high level probe into the mystery,

asserted:

 

"Sri Jayendra Saraswati cannot be regarded as a Sankaracharya at all, because

the Kanchi math is not one of the four peethas constituted by Adi

Sankaracharya.

 

 

It is not disputed that the religious reformer Shankar about the eighth century

A.D. established four mutts or monasteries for sanyasis and ascetics in the

north, south, east and west of India namely the Jyotir Mutt in Badrinath in the

Himalayas, the Sringeri Mutt in south India, the Sharada Mutt, Dwaraka in

Gujarat and the Goverdana Mutt at Puri in Cuttack."

- High Court, Mumbai - 33 Bombay 278.

 

 

"The scriptures which govern the fundamental doctrines and orgin of four mutts

are known as matamnaya"

- High Court, Patna - 1936

 

 

"Sankara established four maths as seats of religion at four ends of India. the

Sringeri mutt on the Sringeri hills in the south; the Sharada mutt on the

Dwaraka in the west; the Badrinath mutt at Badrinath in the North and the

Goverdana mutt at Puri in the East ...Each of the mutts has a sanyasi as its

head who bears the title of Sankaracharya in general. Sankara is said to have

four principal disciples who were all brahmins. The orthodox Hindu recognises no

other sanysis."

-Supreme Court - 1972

 

 

It is generally accepted as tradition that Adi Sankaracharya, the famous

Advaita philosopher, founded four maths (monasteries) at Sringeri, Puri, Dwaraka

and Badrinath; that he ascended the famous sarvagna-pitha in Kashmir, and

finally passed away near Kedarnath. None of the four recognized mathas claims

jurisdiction over the other three.

 

 

"Several years earlier, Sir C. P. Ramaswamy Iyer, who headed the central

commission on Hindu religious and charitable endowments, had announced that

`there is no such thing as the Kanchi Kamakoti peetham.'

 

 

"It was only in the 20th century works, all compiled after Chandrasekharendra

Saraswati (CS) the present Paramacharya ascended the

peetha, that the history of the Kanchipuram math has been REWRITTEN. (All

records, numbers, math, dates were distorted).

Accordingly, it was established (by whom, may I ask?) that Adi Sankaracharya had

spent the last days of his life in Kanchipuram where he attained samadhi, and

not in the Himalayas as is generally believed. A mandapam named after the father

of the school of advaita philosophy, seen in the Kamakshi temple premises, is

cited as his samadhi. (The said mandapam has been constructed very recently. It

was originally called `Sankaracharya samadhi', but when it was pointed out there

could not be a samadhi inside a Devi temple, the mandapam was renamed

`Sankaracharya sannidhi' - sanctum, not a tomb.)

 

The tale of Sureswaracharya being in charge of the Kanchi math is pure fiction.

If Sankaracharya did not establish the Kanchi math at all, where was the need

to appoint a successor there?!! It is the Kanchi math that "claims" Sureswara.

The Sringeri math does not "claim" so. In fact, a very old structure that is

reputed to be Sureswara's samadhi is still preserved outside the Sarada temple

at Sringeri.)

 

 

If I sound like I am fulminating unjustifiably against the propaganda that the

Kanchi math engages in, I assure readers here that I am in fact perfectly

justified. I can cite innumerable instances where the most blatant lies have

been made without any compunction. All with an eye at enhancing the apparent

prestige of the Kanchi math. What the Kanchi math doen't realize however, is

that such stories only weaken its own credibility and the respect which people

may have for its acharyas.

 

 

"The Vyasachaliya Sankara Vijayam, written by Maha Devendra Saraswati, the 53rd

acharya of the Kumbhakonam math in the 15th century, makes no mention of the

Kanchi math in his work.

 

"Researchers, who doubted the claim, referred the matter to the royal family of

Nepal. the reply dated May 13. 1940 read `...Nepal has never recognized the head

of the Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham as their guru. Nor do we annually contribute any

portion of our income as alleged by Pandit Acharya Krishna Sastri.'"

 

"Pandits" as Acharya Krishna Sastri who do not hesitate to blatantly lie, have

been routinely pressed into service by the Kanchi math for conducting its

propaganda.

 

After all, who in south India would have thought of verifying his story from

such a distant place as Nepal?

 

The technique of the Kanchi math has been to lie left and right, with such

thoroughness, that invariably some part of its preposterous claims are accepted

as truth by people.

 

To sum up, the claims of the Kanchi math have been unprecedented in the history

of Hinduism. We have never had an organized structure comparable to the Roman

Catholic Church. In the event, a math in the remote south claiming to be the

central math of the Advaita sampradaya makes no sense. Firstly, such centralized

religious jurisdiction is alien to the spirit and history of our culture.

Secondly, even if Adi Sankaracharya did establish a central math with

jurisdiction over the recognized four, was he so ignorant of India's geography

that he bypassed all holy cities with more central locations

(Prayag/Kashi/Ujjain?) and chose instead Kanchi in the extreme south?

 

 

Thus, the idea of a central math is clearly pure myth.

 

The reality is that the Kanchi math is a relatively recent institution with

tall claims. That it has a large following is an undeniable fact. Every

saffron-robed person invariably attracts some following. Couple that with the

tremendous charisma that C.S. had, and a famous temple like the Kamakshi temple

in Kanchipuram - one has a ready-made formula for success in attracting a

following. The sad part is that the sannyasis involved take advantage of the

general reverence that people show them, for their own ulterior motives.

 

My answer is that firstly it is the Kanchi math which forces one to rake up the

issue by ceaselessly continuing its propaganda of disinformation. Secondly, and

more importantly, an institution like the Kanchi math which supposedly is doing

so much for dharma, should not forget the most basic dharma of all - satyam

vada. People are free to choose their gurus, but when the guru sets such a

perniciously wrong example, by not sticking to the truth, dharma itself is

compromised.

[Guest guest]

Pranamam to all Bhagavad-bandhus,

 

I am deeply pained by the insulting remarks of Sri Kanchi Seer on Sri

Chinnajeeya Swamiji.

 

One thing is certain..Sriman Narayana can tolerate anything but HE will not

tolerate insults or injustice being done to HIS beloved devotees (BhAgavata

apachAram) If Sri Kanchi seer has ever read the greatness of Sri Ambarisha

Maharaja in Srimad-Bhagavatam, then he would understand what it means to insult

a great devotee of Sriman Narayana like our pujya Chinnajeeyar Swamiji.

 

Durvasa Muni was a great rishi. But he had to suffer the wrath of Sriman

Narayana for having insulted the divine Sri Ambarisha Maharaja, who was a

beloved devotee of Sriman Narayana. Even though Durvasa Muni insulted Sri

Ambarisha Maharaja, Ambarisha Maharaja kept quiet and did not even utter a word

and the Lord's Sudarshana Chakra did the rest. No one could protect Durvasa in

the whole creation. He had to beg Sri Ambarisha Maharaja's forgiveness to save

himself.

 

So no matter how great a person Sri Kanchi seer is..how great a saint he is..how

great austerities he might have performed..If he did BhAgavata apachAram (insult

a devotee of Sriman Narayana)..then whatever he achieved so far is in vain

because Sriman Narayana would never tolerate this injustice and insults being

hurled at HIS beloved devotee Sri Sri Sri Chinnajeeyar Swamiji unless Sri Kanchi

seer whole-heartedly asks Sri Chinnajeeyar Swamiji to forgive him.

 

All glories and pranAmams to Sriman Narayana's divine devotees,

All glories to Sriman Narayana,

 

Sriman Narayana's bhakta bhakta bhakta bhakta pAda dAsa,

Vineeth.

 

Jai Sriman Narayana!!

[Guest guest]

Priya Sriman Maruthi Pavan !

 

Jai Srimannarayana !

 

I am sure what you said is right. But,

unfortunately everybody is preferring to be so polite and soft. There should be

someone to speak strong and against. If it is against our own mother or father,

will the things come so politely? Let our elders be polite and take appropriate

action, but, from our point of view we should be very critical and unchewable

for them. Our softness and politeness has been taken as an advantage and

lineance is being used as their strong point. We should also be strong and

more attacking in our expressions... ofcourse not by hurting them, but their

illegal, untraditional views. Our politeness has brought us to this devastating

situation today. THere should be someone who speaks that way. Not all

....keeping numb and everybody speaking very politely !! It is the time to act

with bows and arrows that make the " selfish and wicked " become afraid and

spend sleepless nights with fear of impinging triumphant

Dharma.

I feel sorry that we are still "living" enjoying our

own things when something worst is damaging and hurting our own very family and

our own elders ! You don't know what more worst non-sense is going on there

!!! So you are still cool. I swear, if it is you or somebody like you or one,

more interested than you, who know all the non-sense happening there, they might

have become extremists the next moment. Though my heart is burning, I am at

the ordinance of HH... trying to turn every stone up in every possible way. May

He make me too a best undefeatable everstrong instrument in Achaya's service !

Now it is not the time to think and be soft, from our

side. We have all the valid points with us and Dharma is on our side. So,We

should be fierce in a strongest way and at the earliest before someother

situation in which you cannot act, may arise !!! We should not be like Arjuna

who throwed down the bow and arrow, but, we should be Arjunas who fought against

Adharma with valour and might under the support of Lord...

Thanks for your advise. It is not enough if Blood

is boiling and mind is extremely agitating leading to restlessness and

impatience. Better than pacifying and giving advise... encourage every thing

and everybody even if it is violence or extremism "but for the cause of our

Acharya" who is the incarnation of Dharma itself. We need not protect

ourselves. God protects us, blessings of our Acharya protect us. Strategic

plans and all will be made by our elders, we are not to do them. We will do all

that we can do physically and on the field in the best way that supports our

Acharya's mission !

However, HH has taken up a verybig programme from

Ugadi to Sriramanavami...here at Vijayawada. We are into it now...

A small devotee is enough to do something great in

service of Acharya. A squirrel_like effort from our side in the Fight of Sri

Rama against Adharma is very very necessary now.

Hope our Acharya bless us with the strength and

force to be appropriately useful as best instruments in his own hands... always

ever.

 

Jai Srimannaranaya !

 

srikaryam

=krishna ramanuja dasa=

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagavatas,

 

The points made by "Sivananda" are correct!

 

It was only in 1953 that Sri Chandrasekhara Saraswati shifted the headquarters

of the Kanchi Mutt from Kumbhakonam to Kancheepuram. The entourage was

accommodated in rented buildings. Sri Chandrasekhara Sarawati lived in a rented

house at Anaikatti Street. The Sri Karyam[sri Viswanatha Aiyar] lived at 75,

Sannidhi Street. When the Mutt wanted large area for the Mutt, they shifted to

outlying villages. The place where the Mutt is presently located opp. Gangai

Kondan Mandapam was purchased by the Kanchi Mutt from Sringeri. I have seen in

the 1950's marble name board "Sringeri Mutt" in that building. In the 1950's,

there used to be controversies about the claims of Kanchi Mutt to antiquity. Sri

K.Balasubrahmanya Aiyar used to give irrefutable evidence to show that the

Kanchi Mutt was a new-fangled institution. After his death, there is none to

assert the truth. But the fact remains that till two generations ago, all Aiyars

of Tamil Nadu owed allegience to Sringeri. It is only in the last 50 years that

the Aiyars have defected to Kanchi.

 

It is said that the Kanchi Mutt was actually a branch of Sringeri. About 300

years ago, there was a Swamy at the Kumbhakonam branch of Sringeri Mutt who

became independent either by dint of his personality or by usurpation, like

Mughal Subedars becoming Nawabs. Sri Chandrasekhara Saraswati is said to have

come in that line.

 

Reg. Nepal, these days because of the political clout of Kanch Mutt thanks to

Sri R.Venkataraman, Nepal also has fallen in line. Prime Ministers, Indira,

Rajiv, Narasimha Rao and Vajpayee patronised the Mutt.

 

North Indians think tthat like Pope in Catholicism, the Kanchi Sankaracharya is

the head of all Hindus.it is due to their ignorance. Like their thinking that

Imam Bukhari is the Head of all Muslims. Not to speak of other savants of sects

of Hinduism distiunguished from Advaita, even Sankaracharyas of Sringeri, Puri,

Dwaraka and Jyotirmath have lost their voice in the cacophony of support to

Kanchi Mutt.

 

Now that the Kanchi Mutt has started meddling with genuine institutions of

Hinduism, it is time to call its bluff. there is another reason also. Sri

Chandrasekhara Saraswati was a pious and austere ascetic. Irrespective of his

claim to ancient lineage, people were attracted to his presence. Sri Jayendra

Saraswati is a totally different personality. He cannot claim unqustioned

obedience.

 

Adiyen Madhurakavidasan,

TCASrinivasaramanujan

 

 

"Sivananda"

> Re: SACRILEGIOUS COMMENTS BY JAYENDRA

> SARASWATI

>

> Sri Jayendra Saraswati cannot be regarded as a

> Sankaracharya at all! A self declared so called

> sanyasi, so called peetadhipathi misleading people

> and media.

>

>

> "On August 25, 1987 as speculation about the

> whereabouts of Jayendra Saraswati mounted, the

> Sankaracharya of Dwaraka, Swaroopananda Saraswati,

> camping at Pune for the Chaturmasya Vrata, while

> demanding a high level probe into the mystery,

> asserted:

>

> "Sri Jayendra Saraswati cannot be regarded as a

> Sankaracharya at all, because the Kanchi math is not

> one of the four peethas constituted by Adi

> Sankaracharya.

>

>

> It is not disputed that the religious reformer

> Shankar about the eighth century A.D. established

> four mutts or monasteries for sanyasis and ascetics

> in the north, south, east and west of India namely

> the Jyotir Mutt in Badrinath in the Himalayas, the

> Sringeri Mutt in south India, the Sharada Mutt,

> Dwaraka in Gujarat and the Goverdana Mutt at Puri in

> Cuttack."

> - High Court, Mumbai - 33 Bombay 278.

>

>

> "The scriptures which govern the fundamental

> doctrines and orgin of four mutts are known as

> matamnaya"

> - High Court, Patna - 1936

>

>

> "Sankara established four maths as seats of

> religion at four ends of India. the Sringeri mutt on

> the Sringeri hills in the south; the Sharada mutt on

> the Dwaraka in the west; the Badrinath mutt at

> Badrinath in the North and the Goverdana mutt at

> Puri in the East ...Each of the mutts has a sanyasi

> as its head who bears the title of Sankaracharya in

> general. Sankara is said to have four principal

> disciples who were all brahmins. The orthodox Hindu

> recognises no other sanysis."

> -Supreme Court - 1972

>

>

> It is generally accepted as tradition that Adi

> Sankaracharya, the famous Advaita philosopher,

> founded four maths (monasteries) at Sringeri, Puri,

> Dwaraka and Badrinath; that he ascended the famous

> sarvagna-pitha in Kashmir, and finally passed away

> near Kedarnath. None of the four recognized mathas

> claims jurisdiction over the other three.

>

>

> "Several years earlier, Sir C. P. Ramaswamy Iyer,

> who headed the central commission on Hindu

> religious and charitable endowments, had announced

> that `there is no such thing as the Kanchi Kamakoti

> peetham.'

>

>

> "It was only in the 20th century works, all

> compiled after Chandrasekharendra Saraswati (CS) the

> present Paramacharya ascended the

> peetha, that the history of the Kanchipuram math has

> been REWRITTEN. (All records, numbers, math, dates

> were distorted).

> Accordingly, it was established (by whom, may I

> ask?) that Adi Sankaracharya had spent the last days

> of his life in Kanchipuram where he attained

> samadhi, and not in the Himalayas as is generally

> believed. A mandapam named after the father of the

> school of advaita philosophy, seen in the Kamakshi

> temple premises, is cited as his samadhi. (The said

> mandapam has been constructed very recently. It was

> originally called `Sankaracharya samadhi', but when

> it was pointed out there could not be a samadhi

> inside a Devi temple, the mandapam was renamed

> `Sankaracharya sannidhi' - sanctum, not a tomb.)

>

> The tale of Sureswaracharya being in charge of the

> Kanchi math is pure fiction. If Sankaracharya did

> not establish the Kanchi math at all, where was the

> need to appoint a successor there?!! It is the

> Kanchi math that "claims" Sureswara. The Sringeri

> math does not "claim" so. In fact, a very old

> structure that is reputed to be Sureswara's samadhi

> is still preserved outside the Sarada temple at

> Sringeri.)

>

>

> If I sound like I am fulminating unjustifiably

> against the propaganda that the Kanchi math engages

> in, I assure readers here that I am in fact

> perfectly justified. I can cite innumerable

> instances where the most blatant lies have been made

> without any compunction. All with an eye at

> enhancing the apparent prestige of the Kanchi math.

> What the Kanchi math doen't realize however, is that

> such stories only weaken its own credibility and the

> respect which people may have for its acharyas.

>

>

> "The Vyasachaliya Sankara Vijayam, written by Maha

> Devendra Saraswati, the 53rd acharya of the

> Kumbhakonam math in the 15th century, makes no

> mention of the Kanchi math in his work.

>

> "Researchers, who doubted the claim, referred the

> matter to the royal family of Nepal. the reply dated

> May 13. 1940 read `...Nepal has never recognized the

> head of the Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham as their guru.

> Nor do we annually contribute any portion of our

> income as alleged by Pandit Acharya Krishna

> Sastri.'"

>

> "Pandits" as Acharya Krishna Sastri who do not

> hesitate to blatantly lie, have been routinely

> pressed into service by the Kanchi math for

> conducting its propaganda.

>

> After all, who in south India would have thought of

> verifying his story from such a distant place as

> Nepal?

>

> The technique of the Kanchi math has been to lie

> left and right, with such thoroughness, that

> invariably some part of its preposterous claims are

> accepted as truth by people.

>

> To sum up, the claims of the Kanchi math have been

> unprecedented in the history of Hinduism. We have

> never had an organized structure comparable to the

> Roman Catholic Church. In the event, a math in the

> remote south claiming to be the central math of the

> Advaita sampradaya makes no sense. Firstly, such

> centralized religious jurisdiction is alien to the

> spirit and history of our culture. Secondly, even

> if Adi Sankaracharya did establish a central math

> with jurisdiction over the recognized four, was he

> so ignorant of India's geography that he bypassed

> all holy cities with more central locations

> (Prayag/Kashi/Ujjain?) and chose instead Kanchi in

> the extreme south?

>

>

> Thus, the idea of a central math is clearly pure

> myth.

>

> The reality is that the Kanchi math is a relatively

> recent institution with tall claims. That it has a

> large following is an undeniable fact. Every

> saffron-robed person invariably attracts some

> following. Couple that with the tremendous charisma

> that C.S. had, and a famous temple like the Kamakshi

> temple in Kanchipuram - one has a ready-made formula

> for