Ceratainity of Moksha in Azhvars Prabhandam Vs AcharyaAbhimanam Prabhandams

[Guest guest]

That was a very good article. Please continue to post many more.

 

But I want to clarify one thing on behalf of Bharatha, people keep saying that

His Saranagathi didn't come true, the reason is, He did Saranagathi at a wrong

time, SriRama was in the forest trying to fulfil His father's wishes and when

one is on a different mission, there cannot be any conflicts. Rama is a

Saranagathavathsalan, and even Ravana He would have accepted without any

reason,and He accepted Vibhishana without question (including the 2 that came

with him,)so why wouldn't He have acceted Bharatha.

 

I heard in a Upanyasam that there are qualities, qualifications and time to

Surrender. There happened to be time factor for Rama, because He was in mortal

form.Rama's surrender to Samudra Raja didn't get results, because He didn't have

the might of Rama. Dasarada's surrender to Vishwamithra didn't succeed, because

He didn't have the qualities to be surrendered.

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasee

 

Azhvar Emperumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam

Chinna Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam

[Guest guest]

Jai Srimannarayana!

 

> I heard in a Upanyasam that there are

> qualities, qualifications and time to

> Surrender.

 

Chitraji,

There is no time, requirements or qualifications for saranagathi based on my

understanding of SriVachanaBhushan.

 

Jai Srimannarayana!

[Guest guest]

I beg to differ, if you surrender to someone who cannot grant what you need,

that is failed, as in everybody cannot grant Moksham, except Srimannarayana.

Also the one to whom you surrender to should have all the KalyanaGunas and that

also is only Srimannarayana. As far the time I mentioned it for Bharatha's sake.

So you are right in a way that to surrender to HIM there need to be no

qualities, qualifications or time neede. I apologise if my note was misleading.

I wrote it in the context of Ramayana, where certain saranagathis got fulfilled,

and certain didn't.

 

Jai Srimannarayana

 

 

prapatti yoga <prapattiyoga wrote:

 

Jai Srimannarayana!

 

> I heard in a Upanyasam that there are

> qualities, qualifications and time to

> Surrender.

 

Chitraji,

There is no time, requirements or qualifications for saranagathi based on my

understanding of SriVachanaBhushan.

 

Jai Srimannarayana!

[Guest guest]

Jai Srimannarayana!

 

The subject of prapatti is quite interesting. My thanks to Smt. Chithra for

bringing this up. I find it interesting that in both the examples that were

cited, mo:ksha is not the objective of the surrender. In Bharatha's case, his

reason for surrendering was to bring about the return of Sri Rama to Ayo:dhya.

In the case of Ra:ma's own surrender to Sa:gara, this too was not for the

purpose of mo:ksha, but rather to secure safe passage to Lanka.

 

So, the question arises, is there a need for prapatti at all when it comes to

the question of attaining parampadam. From my readings of Sri Vachana

Bhu:shanam, it would seem that it is not. In fact, it woud seem that prapatti

itself can be an obstacle, as it makes one feel that one needs to "do" something

in order for the Lord's Grace to be secured, which would be contrary to the

soul's true nature of being completely dependent upon Him for everything.

Consequently, there can be no other upa:yam, other than Sriman Na:ra:yana's

Grace Alone that can provide us with mo:ksham. All we need do is to open our

hearts to Him - which I think is the "prapatti" that we speak of - which is only

an adjustment of our attitude brought about by the Grace of the Acha:rya. So,

to me, whatever surrender is done is merely an acceptance, a recognition that is

in response to our awareness of His Grace. If we are surrendering at all, it is

only to the Acha:rya, whose wisdom and prayers is what truly leads us to Him.

 

 

Mohan

 

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Chitra Madhavan

Friday, November 19, 2004 10:45 AM

[Jeeyar Educational Trust] Re: Ceratainity of Moksha in Azhvars

Prabhandam Vs AcharyaAbhimanam Prabhandams

 

 

 

I beg to differ, if you surrender to someone who cannot grant what you need,

that is failed, as in everybody cannot grant Moksham, except Srimannarayana.

Also the one to whom you surrender to should have all the KalyanaGunas and that

also is only Srimannarayana. As far the time I mentioned it for Bharatha's sake.

So you are right in a way that to surrender to HIM there need to be no

qualities, qualifications or time neede. I apologise if my note was misleading.

I wrote it in the context of Ramayana, where certain saranagathis got fulfilled,

and certain didn't.

 

Jai Srimannarayana

 

 

 

prapatti yoga <prapattiyoga wrote:

 

Jai Srimannarayana!

 

> I heard in a Upanyasam that there are

> qualities, qualifications and time to

> Surrender.

 

Chitraji,

There is no time, requirements or qualifications for saranagathi based on my

understanding of SriVachanaBhushan.

 

Jai Srimannarayana!