Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Jai Srimannarayana Swamiji, I had some confusion about Sage Vishwamitra. We hear about Sage Vishwamitra in many places: [1] Much before the Lord Rama came down to the earth. (Vishwamitra was the one who build the heaven for the ancestor of Lord Rama, Satyavrata, later called as Trishanku). [2] Then Vishwamitra went into penance with an enimity with Sage Vasista. Thats when Gayathri mantra was given to us. [3] During the penance Menaka comes down and from them is born the Bharatha dynasty king - Dushyant. So does that mean while Lord Rama's dynasty (SuryaVamsa) were ruling in Treta Yuga, the seed for the Bharatha's dynasty (ChandraVamsa) was sown and set to begin in Dwapara Yuga? in which Yugas did the Chandra Vamsa and Surya Vamsa dynasties gain importance? [4] During the Ramayana time which is in the Treta Yuga the sage educates Sri Rama and Sri Lakshmana in their youth by taking them to the forest. [5] We also hear Sage Vishwamitra during Lord Venkateshwara's time which is Kali Yuga (I think so, is that correct?) My confusion is what are the chronological timings of these events? Is it the same Sage Vishwamitra that is being talked about everywhere? How is it possible for Sage Vishwamitra to be alive for so long? How come no mention of him or any encounters with him during the Mahabharatha time, which is Dwapara Yuga? Please forgive me if I have made any mistake in mentioning the events. Jai Srimannarayana, Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Karthik, I cannot provide you with a religious/spiritual answer, but as far as chronology is concerned - here is my answer: If you please refer to my 'Royal Chronology of India' at (http://www.newdharma.org/India_Chron.zip) you'll see the name Vishvamitra come up many times (as you will also see with Vasishtha) because these are not one person. They represent an incredible lineage of Rsis going back thousands of years. These priests have been mentioned in our scriptures by their family names ("last names") and on a few occassions their first names are also mentioned. It is a fact unique to India and India alone on the entire planet that we have maintained our civilization for over 6,000 years when all other ancient civilizations are long gone. - Niraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Jai Srimannarayana! Thanks for the reply, Niraj and I read your excel file that you sent out and its amazing how you have composed the entire text. I had a question about the time periods you have in there in your excel file: You say in the excel file: Krta Yuga - 3200 BC to 2675 BC -> 525 years Treta Yuga - 2650 BC to 2100 BC -> 550 years Dwapara Yuga -> 2075 BC to 1300 -> 775 years Kali Yuga -> 1275 BC to present -> 3275 years so far This is what is confusing for me. According to our Puranas, the number of years in each Yuga follows the ratio 4:3:2:1 in one Chatur Yugam. One chatur Yugam 4320000 years. Then Krta Yuga is supposed to be 172800 years, Treta is 129600, Dwapara is 86400 and Kali Yuga is 43200 years. My confusion is this understanding of mine does not fit in to the time period you ave shown in the excel file. Please forgive me if I have made a mistake, Adiyen needs more understanding in this. Thanks Karthik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Karthik, Thank you so much for taking the time to read the Royal Chronology of India - I've been working on this for 8-9 years and am constantly adding in additional details related to kings, rishis and other types of evidence. I have based the timeframes in the timeline spreadsheet upon the lineages of royal dynasties which are described in the Puranas and correlated against the hard evidence of the Vedas (particularly the Rg Veda) as has been studied by many historians such as G.P. Singh, P.L. Bhargava, Shrikant Talageri (see: http://www.voi.org/books/rig), etc. and archeologists such as B.B. Lal. Incidentally, the testimony of the scriptures, literature and archaeology we have tends to agree with the rough timeframes in my timeline. The Yuga/yugam concept from what I've read (and as described in some of PL Bhargava's works) is really multi-fold: - Yuga (historical and thousands of years) - Mahayuga (historical for human beings and millions of years) - Mahayuga (timeframe of the universe - billions of years) The Puranic conceptions then were describing the larger or MAHA timeframes more than the historical timeframes. This idea makes sense to me because timescales for different events are different - a fruitfly only lives for one day, but that one day is quite long for it. Likewise, 100 years is long for a human, but is immeasurably small for Brahman. Time thus becomes linear on a small scale (millions or thousands of years), but is cyclical on the grand scale of God (billions of years and expansion/contraction cycles of the universe). The 4:3:2:1 concept is described in Cell # Z-217 (labelled 'DICE, and the 4 Periods in Indian History'). I hope I have answered your question. Regards, - Niraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Priya sriman Karthikji! Jai Srimannarayana! We are happy for your interest to know about sage Viswamithra. There were no many viswamitras, like other sages. Only one was there, who was highly praised by Sage Valmiki. When you talk about the age, in those days they used to live long, like thousands of years. It was not a big issue in those days at all. Sumanthra the minister of Dasaraddha, Ravana, Vasishta etc., were living even in Krutha Yuga. So also Viswamithra. Now a days, we people started comparing with our own knowledge and age and experience, which is wrong. Another Lo:ka created for Trisanku by the same Viswamithra, who was having enimity earlier with Sage Vasishta. Menaka met with the same Sage, yes! To his own credit he made penance for thousands of years on each corner of this country. He met with different issues on each of these corners. But he was the same Sage. Rama belongs to Surya Vamsa. After Rama, approximately 32 generations were continuing. Then there may be some gap. During Rushabha Deva again the Chandra Vamsa started in Ayodhya. This might have started after a few lakhs of years, when dwapara yuga was started. Some people say that yugas go in some thousands. Even that is wrong. They go in 4:3:2:1 ratio, which altogether come to 43,20,000 years. The size of human beings also was not as we see them today. Recently, some skeleton found in North Indian Desert was so amazingly huge, may be between 30 to 50 feet height. There was some record also found along with it, which was not totally revealed by the Govt. but says that they were interacting with brahma and Siva etc. we try to put that available information for you soon. So people living for thousands of years was not a great thing in those days. Finally, it was the same sage Viswamithra, who was mentioned in all the episodes you have memtioned and he lived for many a year, before and after Rama. He did not appear in Ramayana after Rama's marriage, but he was there. We are not sure whether Viswamithra's mention was there anywhere in Lord Venkateswara's History? =chinnajeeyar= "Karthik M Nagaraj" Q - Confusion about Sage Vishwamitra Jai Srimannarayana Swamiji, I had some confusion about Sage Vishwamitra. We hear about Sage Vishwamitra in many places: [1] Much before the Lord Rama came down to the earth. (Vishwamitra was the one who build the heaven for the ancestor of Lord Rama, Satyavrata, later called as Trishanku). [2] Then Vishwamitra went into penance with an enimity with Sage Vasista. Thats when Gayathri mantra was given to us. [3] During the penance Menaka comes down and from them is born the Bharatha dynasty king - Dushyant. So does that mean while Lord Rama's dynasty (SuryaVamsa) were ruling in Treta Yuga, the seed for the Bharatha's dynasty (ChandraVamsa) was sown and set to begin in Dwapara Yuga? in which Yugas did the Chandra Vamsa and Surya Vamsa dynasties gain importance? [4] During the Ramayana time which is in the Treta Yuga the sage educates Sri Rama and Sri Lakshmana in their youth by taking them to the forest. [5] We also hear Sage Vishwamitra during Lord Venkateshwara's time which is Kali Yuga (I think so, is that correct?) My confusion is what are the chronological timings of these events? Is it the same Sage Vishwamitra that is being talked about everywhere? How is it possible for Sage Vishwamitra to be alive for so long? How come no mention of him or any encounters with him during the Mahabharatha time, which is Dwapara Yuga? Please forgive me if I have made any mistake in mentioning the events. Jai Srimannarayana, Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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