Guest guest Posted January 29, 2000 Report Share Posted January 29, 2000 Dear Bonnie, Thank you for your points. On the first point about arranged heirarchies....this only applies to responsibilities and duties and not property, rights or previleges. Also I am speaking in regards to an authentic Vedic culture not the remnants of Vedic culture. Actually, the higher the caste the less material previleges enjoyed. For example brahmins were not allowed anything except the neccessities of life...in comfort of course. A clay cup rather than a gold one, cotton rather than silk etc. They were never allowed to earn money or to be payed for their services. That is why charity to the brahmins was so important. The Kshatriyas/kings/queens etc lived in great luxury but this was done to compensate them for their tremendous burden of responsibility. The last thing a King should have to worry about is his personal comfort and needs. Vedic culture provided for a system that took care of these needs. From a state of personal comfort and contentment thay could properly focus their energy on the needs of the citizens as a whole...but also on a personal level. In a true Vedic society every entity...literally every entity in the kingdom had equal rights to comfort, security and the chance to evolve both spiritiually and materially. So the royal luxuries actually paled beside the immense burden of responsibilty carried by the Royal classes. There are many cases in the vedic histories of great kings being humbled by the common citizen with a complaint. Even the untimely natural death of a child was considered the fault of the ruling classes. Ironically, it was the 'lower' castes that enjoyed the most freedom to enjoy themselves without restraint. The merchant class was allowed to accumalte wealth and live a life of luxury, without having to worry about anyone beyond their own personal reality. It is this very same merchant class that is now running the world. With no ability to think of the needs of society as a whole, the average merchant is not expected to go beyond his shilling and pence mentality and therefore this class was never allowed to be in government. It is a formula for disaster...our modern era makes this quite obvious. In a Vedic society the Sudras, or laborer/artisan class actually enjoyed the most liberty to pursue their hearts desires. Unfettered by the burdens of leadership and overall social responsibility, the Sudras performed many important functions in society. In Vedic society, everything from prostitution to gambling and meat eating was allowed, but discouraged. The Sudras often engaged in these activities because it is their nature but they are integral part of society because they were the labor force that helped the other castes perform their duties properly. They also relieved the stress of life, for society at large, through their beuatiful art, music and dance. The untouchables also enjoyed full protection and rights as any other citizen and no Vedic leader or culture ever ostracized them. In fact, Lord Rama's best friend was a member of this caste. They went to school toghether as equals and were lifelong friends and Lord Rama treated him with full respect as His equal. Also one of the greatest saints of the Ramayana was the humble Tribal woman, Sabari Devi. She used to taste all the berries and fruits she planned to offer Rama in order to verify their sweetness. Only those that tasted good to her, would she offer. Lord Rama ate them all even though they had all been bitten into by Sabari devi. According to the rigid rules of the Vedic culture this was extremely improper...but Lord Rama was showing that more important than rules and class, is sincere devotion and love. Again and again the Vedic scriptures reinforce this concept.... that in general, rules and heirarchy are there but these are established and maintained according to the carachter and quality of the individual and never based on blood, race or social position. Vidura, born of a maid=(Sudra) was the Prime Minister of the great Kuru Empire, and actually is considered more honorable than many great Brahmins and Gurus of his time. When Lord Krishna visited Hastinapur(Kuru capital) He rejected the invitation of Prince Duryodana with all his royal pomp and splendour and chose the simple and humble fare of Vidura and his wife. To make the point even more obvious, Lord Krishna ate the banana peal that was mistakenly offered to Him to show that it is the quality of the individual and the offering and not the quantity or material status that is important. All these stories are from an ancient time and another cosmic era(yuga) when Vedic culture was firmly established. However they are still applicable to our modern era. yet in order to make it crystal clear and easy to apply in our times, Krishna appearred as Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, 500 yrs ago. I will get the book and give you more details later... but one of His most important teachings is:(not an exact quote) "I am neither a Brahmin nor a Sanyas(monk), neither a Vaishya(merchant) nor a Shudra. I am neither a Hindu nor a Muslim....I am simply the Eternal Servant of the Servant of Sri Krishna (God in His all-attractive loving feature:)" Though He was born in an extremely High caste family and was recognized as the Champion of Learning and scholarship,(opened His own school when still a child,) he rejected all of this simply to say that He was nothing but an unworhty servant of God's servant. One of His most famous precepts is," One should think themself lower than the straw in the street, be more tolerant than a tree, be devoid of all sense of false prestige...in such a state of mind one can chant the holy Names of God constantly." By chanting one can personally associate with God because God is His Name, so Lord Chaitanya gave us the formula to do this. Also He revealed that God's ultimate manifestation is actually the Divine Couple, rather than just a Male figure. In fact some of the greatest saints consider themselves devotees of Radha rather than Krsna....but that is whole another topic. Another important point to remember is that the scriptures alone can never answer all our questions. That is why Avatars and Saints appear again and again to show us, by example, the true application of the scriptures. To acsertain a truth we are given 3 guides; Guru, Sadhu(Saints) and Shastra (Scripture). When all 3 of these guides agree on a point, we can be confident that it is a valid truth. Even in our times, we can access these three guides and truth is alive and well. Sincerely, vrin parker > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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