[world-vedic] Historicity Of Mahabharat

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Dear KC,

 

In fact, science is opposed to transcendental knowledge. Why?

The scientific proof of reality is based on sensory data and hypothesis, which

is one upon another, and so forth.

 

First, human senses are defective: our senses are limited, we make mistakes, we

have a tendency to cheat, and we are fundamentally in illusion, we are

fundamentally ignorant of reality.

 

Hypothesis is also based on sensory data and induction (questioning and

experiment). Inductive knowledge cannot arrive to ultimate truth because in the

inductive process one induction takes over the past one, and so on.

 

Therefore, theories in science have only limited validity - they are valid for

the time being, in other words: science is a temporary mode. In the inductive

process one never comes to a final truth. Everything which is changing form or

content is defined as unreal (see Bhagavad-gita 2.16)

 

The scientific proof of reality is based on sensory data, hypothesis and

experiment. Science is a very limited way of knowing things. In fact, science

is investigating an external world like the animals investigate their

environment by smelling, tasting, reading, seeing, feeling, etc. Science is

like animal knowledge. It is rather primitive.

 

Transcendental knowledge is based on parampara, disciplic succession of

spiritual masters or liberated souls. These trained masters have surpassed the

animal instincts, have conquerred their human bad behavior and their unwanted

habits, like greed for power, success and wealth, jealousy, anger, lust, fear

and cheating propensities, etc. This can be seen and felt as soon as you meet

such teachers.

 

The Vedic knowledge from Bhagavad-gita and Puranas especially is coming from a

source beyong the human imperfection of the senses and mind. This knowledge is

directly coming from Lord Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Sometimes it is submitted trough the agency of Lord Brahma, the Creator, Lord

Shiva the Destroyer, or any great saint of muni, etc. Through the disciplic

succession of pure souls who have no desires in this world anymore, the

knowledge came to the earth. This process is called shabda, which means 'sound'

or 'verbal testimony'.

 

Unless scientists recognize the value of this third kind of knowledge- acquiring

process of shabda through parampara, no scientist will ever accept the ultimate

truth of the Vedas, or transcendental knowledge.

Transcendental knowledge cannot be proved by experiment or senses. Therefore,

transcendental knowledge is meant for intelligent persons who have no desire

for materialistic opulence, social postition or power. Such persons only follow

their heart and sincerely try to serve the Lord.

 

To conclude this argument - if scientific accounts support the words written in

the Vedas, this knowledge may be considered valid.

If not, the knowledge is based on error, illusion, or false data.

 

That which scientists try to do is to reject the knowledge coming from God and

establish their own un-truth instead. They have blind senses and a blind heart

for higher knowledge.

 

In fact, you could compare the mentality of the scientist with the mentality of

Dhritarashtha. In the end such blind and hard-hearted 'kings' will be defeated

by Krsna Himself, no doubt. We have only to wait a little longer, but that day

will come.

 

Thank you for your question. I hope I could inform you sufficiently.

Indira dasi.

 

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Van: Kailash Srivastava

Aan: vediculture

Verzonden: vrijdag 31 maart 2000 13:01

Onderwerp: [world-vedic] Re: Historicity Of Mahabharat

I read your reply with great interest. How do we explain these things in terms

of science. This is important especially when we are talking in terms of

history.Why such things do happen now?KS>===== Original Message From

vediculture =====>Hare Krishna!>Dear KS,>>Your question raises an

elaborate history. However, to give you at least some clue about this subject

matter I shall try to give a consise reply. I once translated the book 'The

Teachings of Queen Kunti' for Iskon.>>The very chaste Kunti, when she was still

a young girl, was benedicted by a saint that she could invocate any demigod to

beget a child from him. The saint gave her a divine mantra to serve this

purpose. Actually this incident already served the coming events in her life.

As usual, Providence shows H>is omniscience.>>Because Kunti was still a young

girl she wondered if the saint really had power to give her this amazing

benediction and she accidentally pronounced the mantra. The moment she uttered

the words immediately a baby emerged on her lap, which was Karna, a son of Lord

Surya, the Sun God.>>>Because social conventions in those days were very hard

and fast and because an unmarried girl begetting a child was unthinkable in

society she decided to abandon her child and sacrifice it to Providence. She

wrapped it in cloth in a basket and dropped it in a holy river, however, with

great pain i>n her heart.>>Later, she was married to King Pandu. However, King

Pandu was cursed by a mystic yogi. Pandu had shot an animal while he was

hunting in the forest. The animal turned out to be a couple in love when the

arrow hit them. Since the couple felt greatly disturbed by the hunter, the yogi

cursed the hunter> - not knowing he was the King.>In that way Pandu was

sentenced to meet death as soon as he was touched by a woman. This was a

serious fate for the King because it meant he would never be able to beget any

children of his own in this life.>>When Pandu married Kunti she also could not

touch his body unless he would die. So to beget any children in his royal

marriage the only way to conceive them was by means of the invocation given to

Kunti by the former sage. She told Pandu of her benediction and Pandu agreed to

invocate the demigods f>or the purpose of begetting children to rule his kingdom

in the future.>>In that way first Yuddhisthira came as the son of Lord Yama (the

Lord of Death). Then Arjuna came as the son of Lord Indra (the King of the

Heavenly Planets). Bima, Nakula and Sahadeva also came to the earth in this way

(I forgot from which planets. I suppose they were Vahyu and Agni, but I'm not

su>re).>>And with regard to Gandhari the following. What I know about her is

that her first conception was one in ignorance because she was jealous of

Kunti, her sister in law. Gandhari also desired to have sons in competition

with her. After all, her husband Dhritarastha was a blind king in heart and

senses>. He tried to defeat the Pandavas recklessly, who were the rightfull

descendants to the throne.>So the first conception of Gandhari lasted for

years. She suffered in great pain and everyone wondered why no child emerged

from her womb.>>At least she requested her servants to knock her body in such a

way that her pregnancy would come to an end. Her pain was unbearable. What came

out of her body was a big metal bullit, a black ball, heavy as lead. After much

deliberation it was decided to destroy the ball and give it to the sea. The>ball

broke into one hundred sharp pieces and these particles transformed into her one

hundred sons.>Can you imagine the qualities of these creatures?>>These stories

sound miraculous, however, you should keep in mind that in those days such

events were accepted as the hand of the Supreme Lord, especially in this case

because the two families were descendants of two great dynasties, the Kurus and

Yadavas, in one of which Lord Krishna Himself appeare>d to relieve the earth

from its heavy burden of karma resulting in the Mahabharata.>>What I mean to

say is this. In highly religious families and also on higher planetary systems

the couples are able to beget children without sexual intercourse. They beget

divine or spiritual children. Sometimes even their child is born as an adult as

in the case of Bima. He and his lover in the for>est begot Gotchka (I'm not sure

if I wirte the name correctly) who was a boy of about sixteen years old when he

was conceived by the couple. After all, Bima also was a divine son coming from

a transcendental plane, himself.>>I hope I was clear enough to convey the

transcendental narrations to you as far as I am informed on the matter. Hare

Krishna!>With love and devotion, you servant, Indira dasi.

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