Guest guest Posted March 31, 2000 Report Share Posted March 31, 2000 It is common knowledge that Dalai Lama and practically all Tibetans are meat eaters. I remember reading in one of his books, that he gave up eating meat for a time but then started again at his physician's advice. A couple of years ago, Dalai Lama was invited to a Zen Buddhist restaurant in NY city and was served a vegetarian meal. He was unhappy with it; went to Waldorf Astoria and ordered steak. This was written about in the New Yorker magazine. Generally a Buddhist will eat meat if it was not specifically prepared for him and the animal was not killed just for him. Practically all Thais, Cambodians. Laotians and Vietnamese eat meat and they are predominantly Buddhists. Lord Rama was a meat eater as any serious reader of Valmiki Ramayan knows. Swami Vivekananda and Paramhamsa Ramakrishna were also meat eaters. I think the link between vegetarianism and spirituality is very tenuous. Sincerely, Laxmi N. Gupta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2000 Report Share Posted April 1, 2000 Lord Rama was > a meat eater as any serious reader of Valmiki Ramayan knows. Dear Laxmi, Shree Ramchandra was a kshatriya and it constitutes part of his dharma to eat meat. It is probably not within your dharma to do so. Swami > Vivekananda and Paramhamsa Ramakrishna were also meat eaters. It is Kali Yuga and most of our spiritual leaders are not like those described in the Puranas. I think > the link between vegetarianism and spirituality is very tenuous. I take the direct meanings of the shastra with regards to vegetarianism. I think that the conclusion is fairly straightforward. Dharmapada/Dean > > Sincerely, > Laxmi N. Gupta > > > > ------ > This is an information resource and discussion group for people interested in the World's Ancient Vedic Culture, with a focus on its historical, archeological and scientific aspects. Also topics about India, Hinduism, God, and other aspects of World Culture are welcome. > > ------ > 72% off on Name brand Watches! > Come and buy today and get free shipping! > http://click./1/2712/6/_/15635/_/954558874/ > > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- /vote?listname=vediculture&m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2000 Report Share Posted April 2, 2000 De: Laxmi N. Gupta <lngsma Para: vediculture (AT) eGroups (DOT) com <vediculture (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> Fecha: Viernes 31 de Marzo de 2000 10:20 PM Asunto: [world-vedic] Dalai Lama and meat Dear Laxmi Gupta: Nasmaste: "Lord Rama was a meat eater as any serious reader of Valmiki Ramayan knows". Here you arise one interesting point. Because some scholars support this afirmation in his traslations of Ramayana. The idea general is that before to budhis kings like Asoka, the hindus don't folow the vegeterianism.They use the confetions of how Asoka practice the hunting of deers before of his convertion. Therefore the vaisnavas and other vedic followers were not vegetarians like the jainis ans budhis1. Firts, the problem that confront this aseveration, is that there is an axioma that extraordinary claims demand hard evidence. as you said "serius reader of Valmiki Ramayana knows". Okey, serius means extric, objetive and rigorus. But a serius and closet look show that: The Srimad-Bhagavatam 9.10.3 show literary proofs that in the time of Parisksit Maharaja there are many unauthoritative relates of Ramayana, what said to day? Srila Prabhupada explaind in his tika that those "so called Ramayanas were described in terms of one's own imaginations, speculations or material sentiments. But the characteristic of Lord Ramacandra should no be handle as something 2 . For accept like a fact your reading of Ramayna is necesary make a critical review of the manuscripst. But five thounsands years ago there are many apocry scrolls, Therefeore is very dificult of accept this so called reading. Other point is that Prabhupada give the alternative answer: "But we must select only those books written by tattva-darsis... not the books of so called scholars who claims knowledge only the basis of doctorade." 3. Why? because They tried to prove that Lord Rama is no Bhagavan but an ordinary person. Prabhupada namely them: "Modern Raksasas". 4. Therefore this claim is very weak and untesting. Other intersting case is, Rama killed a monky like Bali but that means he eated him? or He killed the raksasa wich Marica and others, that means that He eat Raksasas? You are right in appoint how the Ksatryas practice the hunting, it is a truth found even in the Srimad-Bhagavatam and other Puranas and Mahabharata and like you acureds, some Ksatryas eat meat by hunting. It si show in the sastras. But a closet reading of the all body of evidence, indicate that was for practice the showtarget for become expert fighters and defende the Dharma. The animals were haunting after ofert in yajña for expiations. But this was also sinful and it was no the high dharma. Please you can read Srimd-Bhagavatam 4.25.7-8. Also Pariksit Maharaja was curse by hunting. Therefore in the Bhagavatam is prohibed for Kali-yuga hunting or eat meat, illicit sex, gambling ans intoxicactions. All sastras command the vegetarians diet: Rig,10.87.16, Yajur 12.32, Ahtarva, 17.1.4 ans 19.48.5, Manu smriti 6.60, Mahabharata, anu.115.40, 47, Bhagavatam 11.5.14., etc...................................." Therefore, there is no evidence that Lord Rama eat meat. For other hand, his was so benevolent with all creatures and engaged them in his bhaktiseva. Also, Lord Rama was a exemplary model of Viasnava-Rajarsi, and them don´t no eat meat. Because he follow extrictly the sastra. Lord Rama openly said what are his teastes in the Bhagavad.gita. I recomended please read Food for Spirit for Steven Rosen and you found many evidences that contadicti your view like this: "The Ramayana informs us that elevated souls, such as the decedanst of the demigos Iksvaku, shun meat-eating ans violence in any form (himsa-rati) pag. 91." At Krsna service. Hare Krsna Das, Unversity student in Linguistic ans Literature in the U A de C. , and the pirest pf Iskcon Saltillo. 1.-Alvarado, Contreras, Francisco, El Sásncrito en la Lengua Tarasca, Manuel Porrua. S.A. Mexico. 2.-Bhaktivedanta, Swami Prabhupada. Srimad-Bhagavatam of Krsna-Dvaipayana Vyasa, 9.10.3 purport. 3.-Idem. 4.-Idem. >It is common knowledge that Dalai Lama and practically all Tibetans are >meat eaters. I remember reading in one of his books, that he gave up >eating meat for a time but then started again at his physician's >advice. A couple of years ago, Dalai Lama was invited to a Zen Buddhist >restaurant in NY city and was served a vegetarian meal. He was unhappy >with it; went to Waldorf Astoria and ordered steak. This was written >about in the New Yorker magazine. Generally a Buddhist will eat meat >if it was not specifically prepared for him and the animal was not >killed just for him. Practically all Thais, Cambodians. Laotians and >Vietnamese eat meat and they are predominantly Buddhists. Lord Rama was >a meat eater as any serious reader of Valmiki Ramayan knows. Swami >Vivekananda and Paramhamsa Ramakrishna were also meat eaters. I think >the link between vegetarianism and spirituality is very tenuous. > >Sincerely, > Laxmi N. Gupta > > > >------ >This is an information resource and discussion group for people interested in the World's Ancient Vedic Culture, with a focus on its historical, archeological and scientific aspects. Also topics about India, Hinduism, God, and other aspects of World Culture are welcome. > >------ >72% off on Name brand Watches! >Come and buy today and get free shipping! >http://click./1/2712/6/_/15635/_/954558874/ > >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! >-- /vote?listname=vediculture&m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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