[world-vedic] RAMACANDRA APPARENCE DAY

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Dear Antonio,

 

To celebrate the appearance day of Lord Ramacandra the devotees should fast from

(solid) food till noon that day and take only ekadasi preparations for the rest

of the day. Ekadasi preparations means no grains like rice, wheat, bread or

preparations made with these ingredients; no beans or pulses, like lentils,

soy, string beans, etc.

Chant as much as you can, at least sixteen rounds on mala. Make a nice dish for

Their Lordships Sita-Ramacandra and offer to Him or to Radha-Krishna, or

Caitanya Mahaprabhu (pictures will do).

Make a nice kirtana party with your namahatta group and read Bhagavad-gita or

Srimad Bhagavatam.

The next day you should break your ekadasi fast with some grain within

hours after sunrise.

This will make the Lord happy. Doing puja (pooja) is quite complicated and

should be done only by a brahmin priest who knows how to do it. If you do this

yourself you will probably make offences against the Lord's lotusfeet - better

to do kirtan and chant your rounds.

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HARE KRSNA!!

ALL GLORY TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!!

PLEASE ACCEPT MY OBBEINCES:

Please i need to know, what kind of ceremony to celebrate the day of Lord

Ramacandra, write the kind of pooja and pastime for read this day in Monterrey

mexico Nama-Hata, please write me everything do you know.

Antonio Espinosa

[Guest guest]

Dear Antonio,

 

To celebrate the appearance day of Lord Ramacandra the devotees should fast from

(solid) food till noon that day and take only ekadasi preparations for the rest

of the day.

 

Ekadasi preparations means no grains like rice, wheat, bread or preparations

made with these ingredients; no beans or pulses, like lentils, soy, string

beans, etc.

 

Chant as much as you can, at least sixteen rounds on mala. Make a nice dish for

Their Lordships Sita-Ramacandra and offer to Them or to Radha-Krishna, or

Caitanya Mahaprabhu (pictures will do).

 

Make a nice kirtana party with your namahatta group and read Bhagavad-gita or

Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

The next day you should break your ekadasi fast with some grain within 4 hours after sunrise.

 

This will make the Lord happy. Doing puja (pooja) is quite complicated and

should be done only by a brahmin priest who knows how to do it. If you do this

yourself you will probably make offences against the Lord's lotusfeet - better

to do kirtan and chant your rounds. After all, we are Gaudiya bhaktas and

respectfully remember Lord Ramacandra's appearance day, however, we do not

worship Rama in the same way as Lord Krishna. However, if there is a temple of

Ramacandra in your neighbourhood it is best to visit that temple on His

appearance day and celebrate with the devotees and brahmins of the temple

community.

 

Kind regards,

Indira dasi

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Van: ANTONIO ESPINOSA

Aan: vediculture

Verzonden: maandag 10 april 2000 19:35

Onderwerp: [world-vedic] Re: RAMACANDRA APPARENCE DAY

HARE KRSNA!!

ALL GLORY TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!!

PLEASE ACCEPT MY OBBEINCES:

Please i need to know, what kind of ceremony to celebrate the day of Lord

Ramacandra, write the kind of pooja and pastime for read this day in Monterrey

mexico Nama-Hata, please write me everything do you know.

Antonio Espinosa

[Guest guest]

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Please accept my humble obeisances.

Hare Krishna! Prabhu please note the quotes from His Divine Grace Srila

Prabhupada on Rama Appearance day. Fasting is till *evening* not

noon.(...although we understand Rama appeared at noon

Srila Prabhupada wants *us* to fast till evening and have ekadasi preparations).

 

710407LE.BOM LecturesSo this process should be adopted, how to

become sukrtina. Sukrti means yajna-dana-tapa-kriya. One must perform

sacrifices as prescribed in the sastras, and they must give in charity their

hard-earned money for Krsna's cause. That is called dana. Yajna, dana, and

tapasya. Tapasya. Just like tomorrow is Sri Rama-navami. The tapasya will be

that all the devotees will observe fasting from morning till evening. This is

called tapasya. Just like Ekadasi day--there is no eating sumptuously. Simply

you take little fruits and flowers. Try to avoid that also. You don't take even

water. That is really ekadasi. But because we cannot do it--in the Kali-yuga the

time is different--therefore we are allowed to take little fruit and milk, which

is called anukalpa. These are different methods of tapasya. And yajna. This

yajna, sankirtanaih prayair yajnaih, yajanti hi su-medhasah. In this age you

cannot perform that big asvamedha yajna, gomedha yajna, rajasuya yajna, so many

other yajnas. It is not possible. First of all, you have no means to perform

such yajnas, hundreds and hundreds of tons ghee required for putting into the

sacrificial fire. You have not even a drop of your ghee. So forget all those

yajnas. In this age, yajnaih sankirtanaih prayaih.

 

8-03-26.Letter: Mukunda Please accept my blessings. I am sorry I am delayed to

reply your letter dated March 14, 1968, which I received over a week ago. I am

very glad that you are repentant even for some action which is not sanctioned

by me. This attitude is very nice and improves one in progressing on the path

of devotional service. The Rakhi Bandhan ceremony observed by you under

instruction of Prasad isn't approved by our Vaisnava rituals. Of course, such

ceremony is observed among the Hindu community as a socio-religious convention.

But in our Vaisnava community there is no such observance. Now, forget the

incidence, and in future don't be misled by some unauthorized person. Our next

ceremony is Lord Ramacandra's Birthday, on the 7th of April. It should be

observed in the same way as Lord Caitanya's Appearance Day, namely, fasting up

to evening and then accept Prasadam, and all our ceremonies should be performed

with continuous Kirtana, of Hare Krishna, Hare Rama. That will make all our

functions successful.

 

68-03-28.Letter: Mahapurusa So far the Advent Day of Lord Rama Candra, it

should be celebrated as Lord Caitanya's Birthday was done. Fasting up to

evening, and then take prasadam, and chant Hare Krishna whole day, and be

engaged in reading and chanting off and on, chant for some time, then read for

some time, then again have Kirtana and so on, throughout the day. If you have

not got a Ramayana, then you can read Bhagavad-gita or Srimad-Bhagavatam, that

is all right.

 

770326r2.bom ConversationsPrabhupada:

Rama-navami is upavasa up till the... Go to observe fasting up to the

evening.Tamala Krsna: So moon.Prabhupada: Sunset.

[Guest guest]

TO: Mahesh Raja

FROM: Indira dasi

 

Dear Mahesh Raja,

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

 

It was not my intention to create any sectarian notion by saying 'we are

Gaudiyas'. I meant everyone outside India who chants Hare Krishna is a member

of Caitanya's movement. ISKCON has no monopoly on the Lord's celebrations.

 

When you say *us* I get the impression that you know Antonio from Mexico

personally? Do you know if this prabhu is a member or a devotee of ISKCON? How

can you be so certain?

 

I think we should not create any notion of 'Them and Us' and divide the family

of Lord Caitanya in that way. At least I did not mean to create such

misunderstanding. And if I did, I apologize.

 

Of course you may follow Prabhupada's instructions and submit evidence from his

personal letters. Although the Sri Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti where Prabhupada took

sannyasa and started his preaching activities instructs to fast untill noon on

Ramacandra's appearance day. I respect Prabhupada's instructions, although the

instructions from the Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti are nevertheless bonafide as well.

All glories to your spiritual master.

An aspiring servant,

Indira dasi

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All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Please accept my humble obeisances.

Hare Krishna! Prabhu please note the quotes from His Divine Grace Srila

Prabhupada on Rama Appearance day. Fasting is till *evening* not

noon.(...although we understand Rama appeared at noon

Srila Prabhupada wants *us* to fast till evening and have ekadasi preparations).

 

710407LE.BOM LecturesSo this process should be adopted, how to

become sukrtina. Sukrti means yajna-dana-tapa-kriya. One must perform

sacrifices as prescribed in the sastras, and they must give in charity their

hard-earned money for Krsna's cause. That is called dana. Yajna, dana, and

tapasya. Tapasya. Just like tomorrow is Sri Rama-navami. The tapasya will be

that all the devotees will observe fasting from morning till evening. This is

called tapasya. Just like Ekadasi day--there is no eating sumptuously. Simply

you take little fruits and flowers. Try to avoid that also. You don't take even

water. That is really ekadasi. But because we cannot do it--in the Kali-yuga the

time is different--therefore we are allowed to take little fruit and milk, which

is called anukalpa. These are different methods of tapasya. And yajna. This

yajna, sankirtanaih prayair yajnaih, yajanti hi su-medhasah. In this age you

cannot perform that big asvamedha yajna, gomedha yajna, rajasuya yajna, so many

other yajnas. It is not possible. First of all, you have no means to perform

such yajnas, hundreds and hundreds of tons ghee required for putting into the

sacrificial fire. You have not even a drop of your ghee. So forget all those

yajnas. In this age, yajnaih sankirtanaih prayaih.

 

8-03-26.Letter: Mukunda Please accept my blessings. I am sorry I am delayed to

reply your letter dated March 14, 1968, which I received over a week ago. I am

very glad that you are repentant even for some action which is not sanctioned

by me. This attitude is very nice and improves one in progressing on the path

of devotional service. The Rakhi Bandhan ceremony observed by you under

instruction of Prasad isn't approved by our Vaisnava rituals. Of course, such

ceremony is observed among the Hindu community as a socio-religious convention.

But in our Vaisnava community there is no such observance. Now, forget the

incidence, and in future don't be misled by some unauthorized person. Our next

ceremony is Lord Ramacandra's Birthday, on the 7th of April. It should be

observed in the same way as Lord Caitanya's Appearance Day, namely, fasting up

to evening and then accept Prasadam, and all our ceremonies should be performed

with continuous Kirtana, of Hare Krishna, Hare Rama. That will make all our

functions successful.

 

68-03-28.Letter: Mahapurusa So far the Advent Day of Lord Rama Candra, it

should be celebrated as Lord Caitanya's Birthday was done. Fasting up to

evening, and then take prasadam, and chant Hare Krishna whole day, and be

engaged in reading and chanting off and on, chant for some time, then read for

some time, then again have Kirtana and so on, throughout the day. If you have

not got a Ramayana, then you can read Bhagavad-gita or Srimad-Bhagavatam, that

is all right.

 

770326r2.bom ConversationsPrabhupada:

Rama-navami is upavasa up till the... Go to observe fasting up to the

evening.Tamala Krsna: So moon.Prabhupada: Sunset.

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TO: Indira dasi

FROM: Mahesh Raja

 

Dear Indira dasi,

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

 

You wrote:

>It was not my intention to create any sectarian notion by saying 'we are

Gaudiyas'. >I meant everyone outside India who chants Hare Krishna is a member

of Caitanya's >movement. ISKCON has no monopoly on the Lord's celebrations.

 

You have taken all this out of context. Who has accused you?. What you *are*

doing here is taking it personal as something that I presented in reference to

what *you* wrote. No! I Have only presented quotes from Srila Prabhupada in

reply to Antonio prabhu *not* to you. Check it again the email is addressed to

Antonio.

Besides this Lord Ramacandra's appearance is not confined to ISKCON ---and

nobody denies this. Infact Lord Ramacandra was even worshipped even well before

the creation of ISKCON.

So lets agree to agree why disagree?

 

>When you say *us* I get the impression that you know Antonio from Mexico

>personally? Do you know if this prabhu is a member or a devotee of ISKCON? How

>can you be so certain?

 

Again you are mixing up the issue. *US* refers to us followers/disciples of

Srila Prabhupada who are being disciplined by Srila Prabhupada. Disciple means

discipline. This *us* refered to here is in contrast to the many millions of

Hindus who actually break the fast at noon. I had no idea that Gaudiya math

followers also do not accept Srila Prabhupda's siksa to break the fast in the

evening---until you mentioned.

 

>I think we should not create any notion of 'Them and Us' and divide the family

of >Lord Caitanya in that way. At least I did not mean to create such

misunderstanding. >And if I did, I apologize.

 

Unfortunately the fact is: there is *already a divison* between those who follow Srila Prabhupada's

instructions ie his disciples and those who do not. By disciples I actually mean

those who are following

Srila Prabhupada's *discipline*. Not those who are disciples in name only while

doing all nonsense this is not disciple according to the definition of

disciple. The so-called disciples of Srila Prabhupda are rejected although they

may hold some official big posts in ISKCON.

 

>Of course you may follow Prabhupada's instructions and submit evidence from his

>personal letters. Although the Sri Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti where Prabhupada took

>sannyasa and started his preaching activities instructs to fast untill noon on

>Ramacandra's appearance day.I respect Prabhupada's instructions, although the

>instructions from the Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti are nevertheless bonafide as

well.

 

Bonafide or not this decision I leave to Srila Prabhupada. All I know is Srila

Prabhupada disagreed with the Gaudiya math (see letter below) and his

"disciples" who are in ISKCON wanting to be worshiped as acarya(worship as good

as God) imitated Gaudya matha the result was and is a disaster. Srila Prabhupada

asked his disciples to be (Priests) Ritviks as per July 9th letter 1977 --they

disobeyed and pretended to be diksa guru. Everyone knows these "disciples" have

created a hell and driven out many sincere souls from Srila Prabhupda's ISKCON.

They have usurped Srila Prabhupada's temples, money and his disciples.

 

4-04-28.Letter: Rupanuga You are right about Sridhara Maharaja's genuineness.

But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, at least he

executes the regulative principles of devotional service. I do not wish to

discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life

for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of

a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and

eat and sleep. They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri

Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason

and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching

then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja

he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would

have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form

a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He never

recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is

responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who

are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru

Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he

would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so

many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be

nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct

the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out

successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So

Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one

acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to

be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach.

In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. Therefore

we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my

Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix

with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students

and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously

by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but

somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very

careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all.

They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our

natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.