SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLE. In reply to Jan--- peace?

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ONE WHO IS ACCEPTING DISCIPLINE FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA IS SRILA PRABHUPADA'S

DISCIPLE.

 

Note: we are ALL being DISCIPLINED by Srila Prabhupada (we receive

instructions---(discipline) from Srila Prabhupada's books.

 

The MEANING of the word "disciple"

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Prabhupäda: Discipline... Disciple means discipline. The word discipline

comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is

discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must... That

should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya... sisya, the word sisya, it comes from

the root, verb, säs-dhätu. säs. säs means ruling. From this word, sasana.

Sasana means government. sästra. säshtra means weapon, and sästra,

scripture, and sisya... These things have come from the one root säs-dhätu.

So säs-dhätu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word,

that "Obedience is the first law of discipline," or something. They say,

"Obedience is the first law of discipline"? So I am right? "Obedience

is..."? That is the...

Tamäla Krsna: Yes, that's more or less what it is.

Prabhupäda: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word.

"Obedience is the first law of discipline." So unless there is obedience,

there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no

question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.

 

Discipline comes from Srila Prabhupada

NOTE: we are actually being diciplined by Srila Prabhupada.It is Srila

Prabhupada who has given us the regulative principles of no meat,fish or

eggs.; no intoxication(including tea and coffee), no illicit sex, and no

gambling. It is Srila Prabhupada who has made it a regulative principle for

us to chant sixteen rounds on the beads HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA

HARE HARE /HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE.

 

Srila Prabhupada's books contain all the instructions, the guidance

required for us to get ourselves out of the clutches of the modes of

material nature. Infact Srila prabhupada is personally present as his

books.

CC Adi CH1 TEXT 35

"There is NO DIFFERENCE between the spiritual masters instructions and the

spiritual master himself".

 

Note:since the instructions of the spiritual master and the spiritual

master are not different one can be the disciple of Srila Prabhupada by

following his discipline and can be considered Srila Prabhupada's disciple.

Another point is he can be considered both direct disciple and not direct

simultaneously because Srila Prabhupada is still present in his instruction

form(his books) The following example will illustrate the point.

 

Srila Krsnadasa kaviraja is the example of both direct and not direct

disciple simultaneously.(THE PHILOSOPHY OF SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS AND

DIFFERENCE).

CC ADI CH 1

A direct disciple of Srila Rüpa Gosvämi was Srila Raghunätha däsa Gosvämi.

The author of Sri Caitanya-caritämrta, Srila Krsnadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämi,

stands as the DIRECT DISCIPLE of Srila Rüpa Gosvämi and Srila Raghunätha

däsa Gosvämi.

The direct disciple of Srila Krsnadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämi was Srila Narottama

däsa Thäkura, who accepted Srila Visvanätha Cakravarti as his servitor.

Srila Visvanätha Cakravarti Thakura accepted Srila Jagannätha däsa Bäbäji,

who initiated Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who in turn initiated Srila

Gaurakishore däsa Bäbäji, the spiritual master of Om Visnupada Srila

Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Gosvämi Mahäräja, the divine master of our humble

self.

Since we belong to this chain of disciplic succession from Sri Caitanya

Mahäprabhu, this edition of Sri Caitanya-caritämrta will contain nothing

newly manufactured by our tiny brains, but only remnants of food originally

eaten by the Lord Himself.

CC Antya 19.102

Krsnadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämi was not actually a direct disciple of Srila Rüpa

Gosvämi, but he FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS given by Srila Rüpa Gosvämi in

Bhakti-rasämrta-sindhu. He therefore ACTED ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS of

Rüpa Gosvämi and prayed in every chapter for his mercy.

 

"WHO IS PRABHUPAD'S DISCIPLE?

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Prabhupäda: Who is my disciple? First of all let him FOLLOW STRICTLY THE

DISCIPLINED RULES.

Devotee (2): As long as one is following, then he is...

Prabhupäda: Then he is all right.

 

SPL 72-09-21 Bhaktijana

You do not require to worry as I shall never leave you, you are my disciple

and I am your spiritual master, so there is no question, AS LONG AS you

follow my instructions, that I shall ever leave you. Just remember under

all circumstances to chant sixteen rounds of japa daily, offer your

prasadam to Krsna, and do all of the things which you already know, as you

are senior disciple. These things will protect you under all conditions,

without any doubt.

 

SPL 75-11-07 Madhudvisa

SO LONG AS one follows the principles, he continues to be my disciple.

 

SPL 75-11-09 Tusta Krsna

SO LONG AS one continues to follow the rules and regulations, he continues

to be my disciple wherever he may be.

 

SPL 69-07-09

Out of the ten kinds of offenses, the number one offense is to disobey the

orders of the Spiritual Master. The instructions given to the disciple by

the Spiritual Master at the time of initiation should be strictly followed.

That will make one advance to the spiritual path. But if one deliberately

defies such instructions, then his advancement is hampered from the very

beginning. THIS DEFYING MEANS TO DISCONNECT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

SPIRITUAL MASTER. AND ANYONE WHO DEFIES AND THEREFORE DISCONNECTS THE

RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER can hardly expect the assistance of

the Spiritual Master life after life.

 

SPL Cidananda 73-11-25

Please always try to REMEMBER ME BY MY TEACHINGS AND WE SHALL ALWAYS BE

TOGETHER. Just like I have written in the first publications of

Srimad-Bhagavatam, ``The spiritual Master lives forever by His divine

instruction and the disciple lives with him.'', because I have always

served my Guru Maharaja and followed His teachings I am now even never

separated from Him. Sometimes Maya may come and try to interfere but we

must not falter, we must always follow the chalked out path layed down by

the great acharya's and in the end you will see.

 

Who is NOT Prabhupada's disciple?

 

Initiation does not bear any meaning

SPL 70-01-11

Regarding your question of an initiated person falling prey to the maya,

the answer is that so long we are in this material world, there is always

chance of being spoiled by Maya, so we must stick with vow to the Lotus

Feet of Krishna. An initiated devotee is given the chance for becoming free

from the entanglement of karma wheel. Initiated means beginning, not

perfection. The Spiritual Master's business is to guide him to the

perfectional point. But if one does not strictly follow the guidance of a

bonafide Spiritual Master HIS INITIATION DOES NOT BEAR ANY MEANING. The

initiation performance is an agreement by the disciples to abide by the

order of the Spiritual Master. Therefore, if the Spiritual Master is

bonafide and the disciple is serious to abide by His order, then the

success is sure.

 

Otherwise they are NOT my disciples

SPL 76-0217 Raja Laksmi

My advise is always chant 16 rounds minimum and follow the four regulative

principles. All of my disciples must agree on this point OTHERWISE THEY ARE

NOT MY DISCIPLES.

 

Against the principle

SPL76-07-17 Dhrstaketu

Unless absolutely necessary, one should keep head shaven and not allow the

hair to grow long. If absolutely necessary, one can dress like an American

gentleman, with short hair, but long hair is prohibited. The reason that

one with long hair is not my disciple is because he is AGAINST THE

PRINCIPLE. Unless absolutely necessary one should keep hair short, and if

necessary one can dress like an American gentleman with short hair. It is

not expected that everyone will join. For that reason we can't compromise.

The tendency is there to be hippy. When the acaryas are seen with beard,

that is during Caturmasya, July-September. If observed strictly there is

not simply a beard. There are so many rules and regulations. One can't eat

a variety of foods. Only kitri prepared and poured on the floor, and then

licked up. There are so many other rules also. That is not always that they

kept beard.

 

Disciple in name only

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Prabhupäda: And the Bon Mahäräja is his follower. HE'S IN NAME a disciple

of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati, BUT HE'S A SERVANT OF Vivekananda.

Tamäla Krsna: He's very similar to him.Prabhupäda: He's a great appreciator

of Vivekananda. He has put in his curriculum Vivekananda philosophy, Gandhi

philosophy. Rascal, what

philosophy they have got?

 

STEALING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLES, HIS PROPERTIES FOR ONESELF(BECOMING

SELF MADE GURU---APPOINTMENT BY 2/3 MAJORITY VOTES) HAVE GRAVE CONSEQUENCES:

KB 64 The Story of King Nrga

At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were

members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary

character of King Nrga, He said, "Even though a ksatriya king may be as

powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a

brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can

ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves as the most powerful beings

within the material world, usurp a brahmana's property? I do not think that

taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana's property. For ordinary

poison there is

treatment--one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the

poison of taking a brahmana's property, there is no remedy for the mistake.

THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS KING NRGA. HE WAS VERY POWERFUL AND VERY PIOUS, BUT

DUE TO THE SMALL MISTAKE OF UNKNOWINGLY USURPING A BRAHMANA'S COW, HE WAS

CONDEMNED TO THE ABOMINABLE LIFE OF A LIZARD. Ordinary poison affects only

those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring

water on it; BUT THE ARANI FIRE IGNITED BY THE SPIRITUAL POTENCY OF A

BRAHMANA CAN BURN TO ASHES THE WHOLE FAMILY OF A PERSON WHO PROVOKES SUCH A

BRAHMANA." (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not

with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful

mantras, called arani.) "IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA'S PROPERTY, HE

IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA'S PROPERTY IS

FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER'S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND

TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BECOME SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other

hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava, or devotee of the Lord, ten

generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will

become liberated."

Lord Krsna continued: "If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth,

prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana's property, it should be

understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know

how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the

property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent

family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not

only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept

such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH

HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO

LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. THEREFORE

I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT, EVEN BY

MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOUR WHOLE

FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS

TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL

BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION,

WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A SERPENT GIVES TROUBLE

TO ALL OTHER LIVING ENTITIES. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise

you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill

names or curses you, still you should not

retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your

respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My

obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should

therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who

does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn

from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the

property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life."

 

ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAD DIKSA AND SIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA!

HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE/ HARE RAMA HARE RAMA

RAMA RAMA HARE HARE.

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In a message dated 4/15/00 3:26:44 AM Central Daylight Time,

mahesh.r writes:

 

<< ONE WHO IS ACCEPTING DISCIPLINE FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA IS SRILA

PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLE. >>

 

But not *only* Prabhupada's disciples are disciples.

 

You are in ISCKON, I take it? One of my sisters and my brother have been in

the movement since the late 60s/early 70s.

 

A furthered peace, which is always based on better understanding, is the goal

of communcation, always. My words are spoken in peace. But it don' mattah

to me.

 

Jan