RE: [world-vedic] SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLE. In reply to Jan--- peace?

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Asunto: [world-vedic] SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLE. In reply to Jan--- peace?

 

 

>ONE WHO IS ACCEPTING DISCIPLINE FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA IS SRILA PRABHUPADA'S

>DISCIPLE. reply from Hare Krishna Das, grant Prabupada disciple.

 

Now in this lumb of Prabhupada letters, far of answer the real cuestion

that uncovering his emotional beliefs Ritviks, Mr. Mahes Raja try of cloud

the subject. But if he accept that: SPL 69-07-09

>"Out of the ten kinds of offenses, the number one offense is to disobey the

>orders of the Spiritual Master. The instructions given to the disciple by

>the Spiritual Master at the time of initiation should be strictly followed.

>That will make one advance to the spiritual path. But if one deliberately

>defies such instructions, then his advancement is hampered from the very

>beginning. THIS DEFYING MEANS TO DISCONNECT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

>SPIRITUAL MASTER. AND ANYONE WHO DEFIES AND THEREFORE DISCONNECTS THE

>RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER can hardly expect the assistance of

>the Spiritual Master life after life." ThereforeI can not understand why

his rejection of the directs Prabupada orders:

>"Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up,

I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas".

"Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the

initiation and the...

"Prabhupada: He's guru. He's guru."

"Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf.

"Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not

become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Amara ajnaya guru hana. Be

actually guru, but by my order."

"Prabhupada: They're his disciple.

Tamala Krsna: They're his disciple.

Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is (my) granddisciple".

So, there are sicologycal test that demostrate, if some body is so emotional

atacched to his own emotionals ideas; become more lost in his capacity of

discrimantion and objetivitic. Mr. Mahes Raja apparently recognized the

importacy of follow strict. I have 21 years follow the sadhana bhakti and

the 4 principles. I am follower of Prabhupada, because he preach Gaudiya

vaisnavism, no r ritvikism, Prabhupadism nor other bogus philosophy disguise

like reformer vaisnavism. So I beg you to all of your the readers of this

nwesletter. That is very important be repectfull and it forum is for looking

more lighting about the history of vedic culture, and it is no for create

hates or fobias and frustations. There are many hindus atheistic and

indoligist like that . They are preaching that Krishna and Rama all vedic

hagiography is mithical, in that way they are destroying the faith in the

sanatana-dharma. Therefore is more important to used or energy, if we are

Lord Krisna bhaktas, in fighting wiht the asuras and don't waste the value

time in political, fobias, hates and frustations. I please my dear Vrindavan

das, if this Sir continued with his paronoic, take him away of your

nwesletter.

 

At service of my Divine Gurumaharaja, Srila Hridayanada Goswami Sastra

vidvam.

the more indigne sarvent of the servants of Prabhupada.

Hare Krishna Das.

 

>SPL Cidananda 73-11-25

>Please always try to REMEMBER ME BY MY TEACHINGS AND WE SHALL ALWAYS BE

>Note: we are ALL being DISCIPLINED by Srila Prabhupada (we receive

>instructions---(discipline) from Srila Prabhupada's books.

>

>The MEANING of the word "disciple"

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>Prabhupäda: Discipline... Disciple means discipline. The word discipline

>comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is

>discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must... That

>should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya... sisya, the word sisya, it comes from

>the root, verb, säs-dhätu. säs. säs means ruling. From this word, sasana.

>Sasana means government. sästra. säshtra means weapon, and sästra,

>scripture, and sisya... These things have come from the one root säs-dhätu.

>So säs-dhätu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word,

>that "Obedience is the first law of discipline," or something. They say,

>"Obedience is the first law of discipline"? So I am right? "Obedience

>is..."? That is the...

>Tamäla Krsna: Yes, that's more or less what it is.

>Prabhupäda: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word.

>"Obedience is the first law of discipline." So unless there is obedience,

>there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no

>question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.

>

>Discipline comes from Srila Prabhupada

>NOTE: we are actually being diciplined by Srila Prabhupada.It is Srila

>Prabhupada who has given us the regulative principles of no meat,fish or

>eggs.; no intoxication(including tea and coffee), no illicit sex, and no

>gambling. It is Srila Prabhupada who has made it a regulative principle for

>us to chant sixteen rounds on the beads HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA

>HARE HARE /HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE.

>

>Srila Prabhupada's books contain all the instructions, the guidance

>required for us to get ourselves out of the clutches of the modes of

>material nature. Infact Srila prabhupada is personally present as his

>books.

>CC Adi CH1 TEXT 35

>"There is NO DIFFERENCE between the spiritual masters instructions and the

>spiritual master himself".

>

>Note:since the instructions of the spiritual master and the spiritual

>master are not different one can be the disciple of Srila Prabhupada by

>following his discipline and can be considered Srila Prabhupada's disciple.

>Another point is he can be considered both direct disciple and not direct

>simultaneously because Srila Prabhupada is still present in his instruction

>form(his books) The following example will illustrate the point.

>

>Srila Krsnadasa kaviraja is the example of both direct and not direct

>disciple simultaneously.(THE PHILOSOPHY OF SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS AND

>DIFFERENCE).

>CC ADI CH 1

>A direct disciple of Srila Rüpa Gosvämi was Srila Raghunätha däsa Gosvämi.

>The author of Sri Caitanya-caritämrta, Srila Krsnadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämi,

>stands as the DIRECT DISCIPLE of Srila Rüpa Gosvämi and Srila Raghunätha

>däsa Gosvämi.

>The direct disciple of Srila Krsnadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämi was Srila Narottama

>däsa Thäkura, who accepted Srila Visvanätha Cakravarti as his servitor.

>Srila Visvanätha Cakravarti Thakura accepted Srila Jagannätha däsa Bäbäji,

>who initiated Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who in turn initiated Srila

>Gaurakishore däsa Bäbäji, the spiritual master of Om Visnupada Srila

>Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Gosvämi Mahäräja, the divine master of our humble

>self.

>Since we belong to this chain of disciplic succession from Sri Caitanya

>Mahäprabhu, this edition of Sri Caitanya-caritämrta will contain nothing

>newly manufactured by our tiny brains, but only remnants of food originally

>eaten by the Lord Himself.

>CC Antya 19.102

>Krsnadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämi was not actually a direct disciple of Srila Rüpa

>Gosvämi, but he FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS given by Srila Rüpa Gosvämi in

>Bhakti-rasämrta-sindhu. He therefore ACTED ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS of

>Rüpa Gosvämi and prayed in every chapter for his mercy.

>

>"WHO IS PRABHUPAD'S DISCIPLE?

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>Prabhupäda: Who is my disciple? First of all let him FOLLOW STRICTLY THE

>DISCIPLINED RULES.

>Devotee (2): As long as one is following, then he is...

>Prabhupäda: Then he is all right.

>

>SPL 72-09-21 Bhaktijana

>You do not require to worry as I shall never leave you, you are my disciple

>and I am your spiritual master, so there is no question, AS LONG AS you

>follow my instructions, that I shall ever leave you. Just remember under

>all circumstances to chant sixteen rounds of japa daily, offer your

>prasadam to Krsna, and do all of the things which you already know, as you

>are senior disciple. These things will protect you under all conditions,

>without any doubt.

>

>SPL 75-11-07 Madhudvisa

>SO LONG AS one follows the principles, he continues to be my disciple.

>

>SPL 75-11-09 Tusta Krsna

>SO LONG AS one continues to follow the rules and regulations, he continues

>to be my disciple wherever he may be.

>

>SPL 69-07-09

>Out of the ten kinds of offenses, the number one offense is to disobey the

>orders of the Spiritual Master. The instructions given to the disciple by

>the Spiritual Master at the time of initiation should be strictly followed.

>That will make one advance to the spiritual path. But if one deliberately

>defies such instructions, then his advancement is hampered from the very

>beginning. THIS DEFYING MEANS TO DISCONNECT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

>SPIRITUAL MASTER. AND ANYONE WHO DEFIES AND THEREFORE DISCONNECTS THE

>RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER can hardly expect the assistance of

>the Spiritual Master life after life.

>

>SPL Cidananda 73-11-25

>Please always try to REMEMBER ME BY MY TEACHINGS AND WE SHALL ALWAYS BE

>TOGETHER. Just like I have written in the first publications of

>Srimad-Bhagavatam, ``The spiritual Master lives forever by His divine

>instruction and the disciple lives with him.'', because I have always

>served my Guru Maharaja and followed His teachings I am now even never

>separated from Him. Sometimes Maya may come and try to interfere but we

>must not falter, we must always follow the chalked out path layed down by

>the great acharya's and in the end you will see.

>

>Who is NOT Prabhupada's disciple?

>

>Initiation does not bear any meaning

>SPL 70-01-11

>Regarding your question of an initiated person falling prey to the maya,

>the answer is that so long we are in this material world, there is always

>chance of being spoiled by Maya, so we must stick with vow to the Lotus

>Feet of Krishna. An initiated devotee is given the chance for becoming free

>from the entanglement of karma wheel. Initiated means beginning, not

>perfection. The Spiritual Master's business is to guide him to the

>perfectional point. But if one does not strictly follow the guidance of a

>bonafide Spiritual Master HIS INITIATION DOES NOT BEAR ANY MEANING. The

>initiation performance is an agreement by the disciples to abide by the

>order of the Spiritual Master. Therefore, if the Spiritual Master is

>bonafide and the disciple is serious to abide by His order, then the

>success is sure.

>

>Otherwise they are NOT my disciples

>SPL 76-0217 Raja Laksmi

>My advise is always chant 16 rounds minimum and follow the four regulative

>principles. All of my disciples must agree on this point OTHERWISE THEY ARE

>NOT MY DISCIPLES.

>

>Against the principle

>SPL76-07-17 Dhrstaketu

>Unless absolutely necessary, one should keep head shaven and not allow the

>hair to grow long. If absolutely necessary, one can dress like an American

>gentleman, with short hair, but long hair is prohibited. The reason that

>one with long hair is not my disciple is because he is AGAINST THE

>PRINCIPLE. Unless absolutely necessary one should keep hair short, and if

>necessary one can dress like an American gentleman with short hair. It is

>not expected that everyone will join. For that reason we can't compromise.

>The tendency is there to be hippy. When the acaryas are seen with beard,

>that is during Caturmasya, July-September. If observed strictly there is

>not simply a beard. There are so many rules and regulations. One can't eat

>a variety of foods. Only kitri prepared and poured on the floor, and then

>licked up. There are so many other rules also. That is not always that they

>kept beard.

>

>Disciple in name only

>SPL 760710MW.NY

>Prabhupäda: And the Bon Mahäräja is his follower. HE'S IN NAME a disciple

>of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati, BUT HE'S A SERVANT OF Vivekananda.

>Tamäla Krsna: He's very similar to him.Prabhupäda: He's a great appreciator

>of Vivekananda. He has put in his curriculum Vivekananda philosophy, Gandhi

>philosophy. Rascal, what

>philosophy they have got?

>

>STEALING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLES, HIS PROPERTIES FOR ONESELF(BECOMING

>SELF MADE GURU---APPOINTMENT BY 2/3 MAJORITY VOTES) HAVE GRAVE

CONSEQUENCES:

>KB 64 The Story of King Nrga

>At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were

>members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary

>character of King Nrga, He said, "Even though a ksatriya king may be as

>powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a

>brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can

>ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves as the most powerful beings

>within the material world, usurp a brahmana's property? I do not think that

>taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana's property. For

ordinary

>poison there is

>treatment--one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the

>poison of taking a brahmana's property, there is no remedy for the mistake.

>THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS KING NRGA. HE WAS VERY POWERFUL AND VERY PIOUS, BUT

>DUE TO THE SMALL MISTAKE OF UNKNOWINGLY USURPING A BRAHMANA'S COW, HE WAS

>CONDEMNED TO THE ABOMINABLE LIFE OF A LIZARD. Ordinary poison affects only

>those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring

>water on it; BUT THE ARANI FIRE IGNITED BY THE SPIRITUAL POTENCY OF A

>BRAHMANA CAN BURN TO ASHES THE WHOLE FAMILY OF A PERSON WHO PROVOKES SUCH A

>BRAHMANA." (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice

not

>with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful

>mantras, called arani.) "IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA'S PROPERTY, HE

>IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA'S PROPERTY IS

>FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER'S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND

>TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BECOME SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other

>hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava, or devotee of the Lord, ten

>generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will

>become liberated."

>Lord Krsna continued: "If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth,

 

>prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana's property, it should be

>understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know

>how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the

>property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent

>family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not

>only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept

>such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH

>HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO

>LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL.

THEREFORE

>I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT, EVEN BY

>MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOUR WHOLE

>FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS

>TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL

>BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION,

>WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A SERPENT GIVES TROUBLE

>TO ALL OTHER LIVING ENTITIES. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore

advise

>you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill

>names or curses you, still you should not

>retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your

>respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My

>obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You

should

>therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who

>does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn

>from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the

>property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life."

>

>ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAD DIKSA AND SIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA!

>HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE/ HARE RAMA HARE RAMA

>RAMA RAMA HARE HARE.

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