[world-vedic] Arya Is NOT a Racial Term PART 3 REPLY

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Anthanarik replied:

"vediculture , "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r@v...> wrote:

Mr George and Jans concocted imaginations ---bye bye.

You are just displaying your ignorance and possible Hindu chauvinism.

BTW, they are the foremost Indo-European religous scholars. Your

sources are post Vedic. I would recommend Puhvel's Comparaive

Mythology. A great resource for a Vedic Group (besides the Vedas of

course)."

 

You write your sources are POST vedic?

 

First of all TRY-------and understand VEDAS. Veda means KNOWLEDGE

So if you can trace out the history of knowledge, then you can trace out

what is the date of Veda. And then you say POST? vedic--this is CRAZY! Which

is the date when knowledge began. Can you trace out?

 

 

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Prabhupada: Veda means not religion, Veda means knowledge. So if you can

trace out the history of knowledge, then you can trace out what is the date

of Veda. Can you trace out? When...? Which is the date when knowledge began.

Can you trace out?

David Lawrence: I wouldn't think they could.

Prabhupada: Eh?

David Lawrence: I wouldn't think they could.

Prabhupada: So how you can trace out the history of Vedas? Vedas means

knowledge. Vedas means knowledge. So first of all find out from which date

knowledge began. Then you find out the date of the Vedas.

 

 

Srimad Bhagavatam 4.2.31 T Daksa Curses Lord Siva

Translation by HIS DIVINE GRACE AC BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA

 

esa eva hi lokanam

sivah panthah sanatanah

yam purve canusantasthur

yat-pramanam janardanah

 

SYNONYMS

 

esah--the Vedas; eva--certainly; hi--for; lokanam--of all people;

sivah--auspicious; panthah--path; sanatanah--eternal; yam--which (Vedic

path); purve--in the past; ca--and; anusantasthuh--was rigidly followed;

yat--in which; pramanam--the evidence; janardanah--Janardana.

 

TRANSLATION

The Vedas give the eternal regulative principles for auspicious

advancement in human civilization which have been rigidly followed in the

past. The strong evidence of this principle is the Supreme Personality of

Godhead, who is called Janardana, the well-wisher of all living entities.

 

PURPORT

In the Bhagavad-gita the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna, has

claimed that He is the father of all living entities, regardless of form.

There are 8,400,000 different species of life forms, and Lord Krsna claims

that He is the father of all. Because the living entities are parts and

parcels of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, they are all sons of the

Lord, and for their benefit, because they are hovering under the impression

that they can lord it over material nature, the Vedas are given to them for

their guidance. Therefore the Vedas are called apauruseya, for they are not

written by any man or demigod, including the first living creature, Brahma.

Brahma is not the creator or author of the Vedas. He is also one of the

living beings in this material world; therefore he does not have the power

to write or speak the Vedas independently. Every living entity within this

material world is subject to four deficiencies: he commits mistakes, he

accepts one thing for another, he cheats, and he has imperfect senses. The

Vedas, however, are not written by any living creature within this material

world. Therefore they are said to be apauruseya. No one can trace out the

history of the Vedas. Of course, modern human civilization has no

chronological history of the world or the universe, and it cannot present

actual historical facts older than three thousand years. But no one has

traced out when the Vedas were written, because they were never written by

any living being within this material world. All other systems of knowledge

are defective because they have been written or spoken by men or demigods

who are products of this material creation, but Bhagavad-gita is apauruseya,

for it was not spoken by any human being or any demigod of this material

creation; it was spoken by Lord Krsna, who is beyond the material creation.

That is accepted by such stalwart scholars as Sankaracarya, not to speak of

other acaryas such as Ramanujacarya and Madhvacarya. Sankaracarya has

accepted that Narayana and Krsna are transcendental, and in Bhagavad-gita

also Lord Krsna has established, aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam

pravartate: "I am the origin of everything; everything emanates from Me."

This material creation, including Brahma and Siva and all the demigods, has

been created by Him, for everything has emanated from Him. He also says that

the purpose of all the Vedas is to understand Him (vedais ca sarvair aham

eva vedyah). He is the original veda-vit, or knower of the Vedas, and

vedanta-krt, or compiler of Vedanta. Brahma is not the compiler of the

Vedas.

In the beginning of Srimad-Bhagavatam it is established, tene brahma hrda:

the Supreme Absolute Truth, the Personality of Godhead, instructed Brahma in

the Vedic knowledge through his heart. Therefore the evidence that Vedic

knowledge is free from the defects of mistakes, illusions, cheating and

imperfection is that it is spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead,

Janardana, and has thus been followed from time immemorial, beginning from

Brahma. The Vedic religion or the principles of the Vedas have been followed

by the highly cultured population of India since time immemorial; no one can

trace out the history of Vedic religion. Therefore it is sanatana, and any

blasphemy against the Vedas is calculated to be atheism. The Vedas are

described as setu, which means "a bridge." If one wants to attain his

spiritual existence, one has to cross an ocean of nescience. The Vedas are

the bridge by which to cross such a great ocean.

The Vedas describe how to divide the human race into four divisions

according to quality and working capacity. This is a very scientific system,

and it is also sanatana, for no one can trace out its history and it has no

dissolution. No one can stop the system of varna and asrama, or the castes

and divisions. For example, whether or not one accepts the name brahmana,

there is a class in society which is known as the intelligent class and

which is interested in spiritual understanding and philosophy. Similarly,

there is a class of men who are interested in administration and in ruling

others. In the Vedic system these martially spirited men are called

ksatriyas. Similarly, everywhere there is a class of men who are interested

in economic development, business, industry and money-making; they are

called vaisyas. And there is another class who are neither intelligent nor

martially spirited nor endowed with the capacity for economic development

but who simply can serve others. They are called sudras, or the laborer

class. This system is sanatana--it comes from time immemorial, and it will

continue in the same way. There is no power in the world which can stop it.

Therefore, since this sanatana-dharma system is eternal, one can elevate

himself to the highest standard of spiritual life by following the Vedic

principles.

It is stated that formerly the sages followed this system; therefore to

follow the Vedic system is to follow the standard etiquette of society. But

the followers of Lord Siva, who are drunkards, who are addicted to

intoxicants and sex life, who do not bathe and who smoke ganja, are against

all human etiquette. The conclusion is that persons who rebel against the

Vedic principles are themselves the evidence that the Vedas are

authoritative, because by not following the Vedic principles they become

like animals. Such animalistic persons are themselves evidence of the

supremacy of the Vedic regulations.