ACARYA(PURE DEVOTEE) FALLS DOWN?

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ACARYA(PURE DEVOTEE) FALLS DOWN?

 

There are two issues here:

 

1 The falldown from the spiritual world:

 

67-08-27. Letter: Jananivasa

The Spirit Soul is certainly eternal and changeless; and the fall is

superficial, just like the relation between father and son cannot be broken

ever. Now we are simply in a phase of forgetfulness, and this forgetfulness is

called Maya. There is a nice example in the waning of the moon. To use the moon

appears to be changing, but in fact the moon is always the same. So as ETERNAL

SERVITORS of Krishna--OUR CONSTITUTIONAL POSITION--WE FALL DOWN WHEN WE TRY TO

BECOME THE ENJOYER, imitating Krishna. THAT IS OUR DOWNFALL. Krishna is the

Supreme Enjoyer, and we are constitutionally to be enjoyed by Him, and when we

revive this constitutional position where is no more Maya. K.C. gives us the

opportunity of rendering service to Krishna, and this service attitude only can

replace us on our original position.

 

2 The Acarya (PURE DEVOTEE) who is EMPOWERED AND PROTECTED by Krishna is

SUPPOSED ---according to Narasingha Maharaja and some others can fall down.

This is ---like saying to come under the shelter of Krishna’s pure

devotee is unreliable.

 

The noted difference is that the souls-who as Srila Prabhupada has stated

clearly “try to become the enjoyer, imitating Krishna” fall down.

BUT this fall down does NOT necessarily apply to Srila Prabhupada or those

acaryas who precede him who have come here TO SERVE Krishna’s purpose in

delivering humanity. These acaryas are EMPOWERED AND PROTECTED BY KRISHNA. They

have NOT come here to become ENJOYER.

 

THIS is why Narasingha Maharaja and his colleagues will find it VERY difficult

to prove that (PURE DEVOTEES) ACARYAS fall down. This ludicrous theme is NOT

found in Srila Prabhupada’s books AT ALL.

 

Here is the ACARYA DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION--- PROVE IT! WHERE? IS THE FALLEN ACARYA

IN OUR GLORIOUS Disciplic succession of acaryas.

68-02-13. Letter: Upendra

My Guru Maharaja was in the 10th generation from Lord Caitanya. We are 11th

from Lord Caitanya. The disciplic sucession is as follows: 1. Sri Krishna, 2.

Brahma, 3. Narada, 4. Vyasa, 5. Madhva, 6. Padmanabha, 7. Nrihari, 8. Madhava,

9. Akshobhya, 10. Jayatirtha, 11. Jnanasindhu, 12. Purusottama, 13. Vidyanidhi,

14. Rajendra, 15. Jayadharma, 16. Purusottama, 17. Vyasatirtha, 18. Laksmipati,

19. Madhavendra Puri, 20. Isvara Puri (Advaita, Nityananda) 21. Sri Caitanya

Mahaprabhu, 22. (Svarupa, Sanatana) Rupa, 23.(Jiva) Raghunath, 24. Krishna

dasa, 25. Narottama, 26. Visvanatha, 27. (Baladeva.) Jagannatha, 28.

(Bhaktivinode) Gaura-kisora, 29. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, Sri

Barshabhanavidayitadas, 30. Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta.

 

SB 3.29.17 P

In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should

execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge BY

ACCEPTING THE ACARYA. Acaryopasanam: one SHOULD WORSHIP AN ACARYA, a spiritual

master who knows things as they are. The spiritual master must be in the

disciplic succession from Krsna. THE PREDECESSORS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER ARE

HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GREAT-GRAND SPIRITUAL

MASTER AND SO ON, WHO FORM THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS.

 

>Devotee: But so many, what you are calling pure devotees, have >fallen down - a

pure devotee can not fall down.>Narasingha Maharaja: Oh. This is very

interesting point that >you are making. On one hand you say that a pure devotee

can not >fall down but on the other hand, yourself and other ritvik >proponents,

are of the opinion that all living entities in the >mundane world have fallen

from eternal lila with Krishna in >Goloka or Vaikuntha - is it not?>Devotee:

Yes. But...>Narasingha Maharaja: So in the spiritual world were these >fallen

souls pure devotees or not? If they are not pure >devotees then how can they be

with Krishna in eternal lila. >Therefore by your own admission a pure devotee

can fall down - >is it not?

Note: here Srila Prabhupada gives his VERDICT.

Madhya 22.71 It should be understood that a madhyama-adhikari, a

second-classdevotee, is fully convinced of Krsna consciousness but cannot

support his convictions with sastric reference. A neophyte may fall down by

associating with nondevotees because he is not firmly convinced and strongly

situated. The second-class devotee, even though he cannot support his position

withsastric reference, can gradually become a first-class devotee by studying

the sastras and associating with a first-class devotee. However,if the

second-class devotee does not advance himself by associating with a first-class

devotee, he makes no progress. THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY THAT A FIRST-CLASS

DEVOTEE WILL FALL DOWN, EVEN THOUGH HE MAY MIX WITH NONDEVOTEES TO PREACH.

Conviction and faith gradually increase to make one anuttama-adhikari, a

first-class devotee.

Note: here Srila Prabhupada says clearly HE DOES NOT DEVIATE AT ALL.

Bg 4.42 P

A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS IN THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION FROM TIME ETERNAL,

AND HE DOES NOT DEVIATE AT ALL FROM THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE SUPREME LORD as

they were imparted millions of years ago to the sun-god, from whom the

instructions of Bhagavad-gita have come down to the earthly kingdom. One

should, therefore, follow the path of Bhagavad-gita as it is expressed in the

Gita itself and BEWARE OF SELF-INTERESTED PEOPLE AFTER PERSONAL AGGRANDIZEMENT

WHO DEVIATE OTHERS FROM THE ACTUAL PATH. The Lord is definitely the supreme

person, and His activities are transcendental. One who understands this is a

liberated person from the very beginning of his study of the Gita.

 

Note: Srila Prabhupada warns us: personal aggrandizement---this so-called gurus

who want to take us for a ride. Best to worship His Divine Grace Srila

Prabhupada the bona fide acarya.

 

Pure devotee falls?---NO! GURUSU NARA-MATIH.

SB 7.7.14 P

Even if a man is very advanced in learning, he cannot understand the behavior

of a Vaisnava. Anyone can take shelter of a pure Vaisnava, without fear.

Therefore in the previous verse it has been distinctly said, devarser antike

sakuto-bhaya: Kayadhu, the mother of Prahlada Maharaja, stayed under the

protection of Narada Muni without fear from any direction. SIMILARLY, NARADA

MUNI, IN HIS TRANSCENDENTAL POSITION, STAYED WITH THE YOUNG WOMAN WITHOUT FEAR

OF DEVIATION. NARADA MUNI, HARIDASA THAKURA AND SIMILAR ACARYAS ESPECIALLY

EMPOWERED TO BROADCAST THE GLORIES OF THE LORD CANNOT BE BROUGHT DOWN TO THE

MATERIAL PLATFORM. THEREFORE ONE IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN TO THINK THAT THE ACARYA

IS AN ORDINARY HUMAN BEING (GURUSU NARA-MATIH).

 

Note: they are NOT disturbed

SB 6.17.29 Those who are not narayana-para, pure devotees, must be disturbed by

this duality of the material world, whereas devotees who are simply attached to

the service of the Lord are not at all disturbed by it. For example, Haridasa

Thakura was beaten with cane in twenty-two bazaars, but he was never disturbed;

instead, he smilingly tolerated the beating. Despite the disturbing dualities of

the material world, devotees are not disturbed at all. BECAUSE THEY FIX THEIR

MINDS ON THE LOTUS FEET OF THE LORD AND CONCENTRATE ON THE HOLY NAME OF THE

LORD, THEY DO NOT FEEL THE SO-CALLED PAINS AND PLEASURES CAUSED BY THE

DUALITIES OF THIS MATERIAL WORLD.

 

SB 6.12.19 P

As stated in Bhagavad-gita (6.22):

 

yam labdhva caparam labham

manyate nadhikam tatah

YASMIN STHITO NA DUHKHENA

GURUNAPI VICALYATE

 

"Established in Krsna consciousness, one never departs from the truth, and upon

gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. BEING SITUATED IN SUCH A

POSITION, ONE IS NEVER SHAKEN, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF THE GREATEST DIFFICULTY."

AN UNALLOYED DEVOTEE IS NEVER DISTURBED BY ANY KIND OF TRYING CIRCUMSTANCE.

 

Note: Brahma as the acarya is given PROTECTION.

SB 3.12.28 P

Maitreya hesitated to state this anomaly on the part of Brahma, who was sexually

inclined to his own daughter, but still he mentioned it because sometimes it so

happens, and the living example is Brahma himself, although he is the primeval

living being and the most learned within the whole universe. If Brahma could be

a victim of the sexual urge, then what of others, who are prone to so many

mundane frailties? THIS EXTRAORDINARY IMMORALITY ON THE PART OF BRAHMA WAS

HEARD TO HAVE OCCURRED IN SOME PARTICULAR KALPA, BUT IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED

IN THE KALPA IN WHICH BRAHMA HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD THE FOUR ESSENTIAL

VERSES OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM BECAUSE THE LORD BLESSED BRAHMA, AFTER GIVING HIM

LESSONS ON THE BHAGAVATAM, THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE BEWILDERED IN ANY KALPA

WHATSOEVER. THIS INDICATES THAT BEFORE THE HEARING OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE

MIGHT HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO SUCH SENSUALITY, BUT AFTER HEARING

SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD, THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY OF SUCH

FAILURES.

 

Narasingha Maharaja seems upset at Srila Prabhupada’s potency to give

diksa as mentioned below to the generations of devotees to come. If he wants to

succeed Srila Prabhupada (disciplic succession of acaryas) he has to prove Srila

Prabhupada is no longer capable to give the Madhyama adhikaris diksa. Ofcourse

there is a cheaper way –sahijiya way around it –just throw a few

bananas and sesame seeds in the fire and give “initiation” calling

the devotees “his” disciples. BUT are they following

“his” discipline or are they following Srila Prabhupada’s

discipline? One who follows Srila Prabhupada’s discipline from his books

is Srila Prabhupda’s disciple---common sense.16 rounds plus 4 regulative

principles these are also given by Srila Prabhupada. Others can but imitate by

saying--- here do this.

 

Note: at stage of Madhyama adhikari CAN serve Krishna in Loving mellows.THIS is

spiritual initiation –diksa.

Antya 4.192-194

DIKSA-KALE bhakta kare atma-samarpana

sei-kale krsna tare kare atma-sama

"At the time of initiation, when a devotee fully surrenders unto the service of

the Lord, Krsna accepts him to be as good as Himself.

"When the devotee's body is thus transformed into spiritual existence, the

devotee, in that transcendental body, renders service to the lotus feet of the

Lord.

" 'The living entity who is subjected to birth and death, when he gives up all

material activities dedicating his life to Me for executing My order, and thus

acts according to My direction, at that time he reaches the platform of

immortality, and becomes fit to enjoy the spiritual bliss of EXCHANGE OF LOVING

MELLOWS WITH ME.'

 

Note: all Srila Prabhupada authorized was the FINAL ORDER to the society July

9th 1977 naming them as ritviks. He did not say they were acaryas and were to

be worshiped as good as God.

Madhya 10.136

The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by

Krsna and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality

of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Visvanatha Cakravarti:

saksad-dharitvenasa. An authorized spiritual master is as good as Hari, the

Supreme Personality of Godhead.

 

Note: here is Srila Prabhupada’s authority from his guru explaining Srila

Prabhupada to be Jagad-guru(spiritual master of the ENTIRE world) and spiritual

master of ALL varnas and asramas

(varnasrama).It is Srila Prabhupada who is ACTUALLY preaching the through his

books presenting the holy name (initiating) and delivering the conditioned

souls.

Antya 7.12

"In the Dvapara-yuga one could satisfy Krsna or Visnu only by worshiping

opulently according to the pancaratriki system, but in the age of Kali one can

satisfy and worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead Hari simply by chanting

His holy name." SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA EXPLAINS THAT UNLESS

ONE IS DIRECTLY EMPOWERED BY THE CAUSELESS MERCY OF KRSNA, ONE CANNOT BECOME

THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD (JAGAD-GURU). ONE CANNOT BECOME AN

ACARYA SIMPLY BY MENTAL SPECULATION. THE TRUE ACARYA PRESENTS KRSNA TO EVERYONE

BY PREACHING THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. Thus the

conditioned souls, purified by chanting the holy name, are liberated from the

blazing fire of material existence. In this way, spiritual benefit grows

increasingly full, like the waxing moon in the sky. THE TRUE ACARYA, THE

SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD, must be considered an incarnation of

Krsna's mercy. indeed, he is personally embracing Krsna. HE IS THEREFORE THE

SPIRITUAL MASTER OF ALL THE VARNAS (BRAHMANA, KSATRIYA, VAISYA AND SUDRA) AND

ALL THE ASRAMAS (BRAHMACARYA, GRHASTHA, VANAPRASTHA AND SANNYASA). Since he is

understood to be the most advanced devotee, he is called paramahamsa-thakura.

Thakura is a title of honor offered to the paramahamsa. Therefore one who acts

as an acarya, directly presenting Lord Krsna by spreading His name and fame, is

also to be called paramahamsa-thakura.

 

SRILA PRABHUPADA IS MAHA-BHAGAVATA WHO IS DELIVERING US!Madhya 24.330

MAHA-BHAGAVATA-SRESTHObrahmano vai gurur nrnamsarvesam eva lokanamasau pujyo

yatha harihThe guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional

service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted

from the topmost class. Madhya 24.330When one has attained the TOPMOST POSITION

OF MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like

Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE

POST OF A

GURU.nama-om-visnu-padaya-krsna-presthya-bhu-talesrimate-BHAKTIVEDANTA-svamin-iti-naminenamas-te-sarasvate-deve-gaura-vani-pracarinenirvisesa-suniyavadi-pascatya-DESA-TARINEI

offer my respectful obeisances unto HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C.BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI

PRABHUPADA, who is very dear to Lord Krsna, having taken shelter at his lotus

feet.Our respectful obeisances are unto you, O spiritual master, servant of

Sarasvati Gosvami. YOU ARE KINDLY PREACHING THE MESSAGE OF CAITANYA-DEVA AND

DELIVERING THE WESTERN COUNTRIES WHICH ARE FILLED WITH IMPERSONALISM AND

VOIDISM.Srila Prabhupada DELIVERS! HOW? he preaches in his books GIVING the

holy name ONLY UTTAMA ADHIKARI IS QUALIFIED TO DELIVER(BY DEFINITION).ALL

GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAT SIKSA AND DIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA! HARE

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