Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 THE SOCIETY DIVIDED ACCORDING TO FAITH (VARNASRAMA) WITH THE ACARYA SRILA PRABHUPADA AS THE INITIATIOR AT THE CENTRE. 740803SB.VRN That is actually fact, actually fact, that if one wants to liveindependently... In Calcutta I have seen. Even poor class vaisyas, and in the morning they'll take some dal, bag of dal, and go door to door. Dal is required everywhere. So in morning he makes dal business, and in evening he takes one canister of kerosene oil. So in the evening everyone will require. Still you'll find in India, they... Nobody was seeking for employment. A little, whatever he has got, selling some ground nuts or that peanuts. Something he's doing. After all, Krsna is giving maintenance to everyone. IT IS A MISTAKE TO THINK THAT "THIS MAN IS GIVING ME MAINTENANCE." NO. SASTRA SAYS, EKO YO BAHUNAM VIDADHATI KAMAN. IT IS CONFIDENCE IN KRSNA, THAT "KRSNA HAS GIVEN ME LIFE, KRSNA HAS SENT ME HERE. SO HE'LL GIVE ME MY MAINTENANCE. SO ACCORDING TO MY CAPACITY, LET ME DO SOMETHING, AND THROUGH THAT SOURCE, KRSNA'S MAINTENANCE WILL COME." JUST LIKE WE ARE MAINTAINING SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT. SO WHAT BUSINESS WE ARE DOING? BUT WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT KRSNA WILL SEND US OUR MAINTENANCE. THAT CONFIDENCE REQUIRED. A sudra means he becomes disturbed. He becomes distur... "Oh, I have no employment. How shall I eat?Where shall I go? Where shall I live?" He has no faith in Krsna. THEBRAHMANA HAS GOT FULL FAITH. THE KSATRIYA HAS GOT LITTLE LESS FAITH, THE VAISYA, LITTLE LESS FAITH, AND THE SUDRA HAS NO FAITH. THIS IS THEDIFFERENCE. SO YOUR QUESTION WAS THAT HOW WE CAN KNOW A SUDRA? THAT BECAUSE EVERYONE IS NOW FAITHLESS AND EVERYONE IS SEEKING AFTER EMPLOYMENT. Therefore... We may discuss in so many ways. BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BECOME SUDRA, THEREFORE THE CAPITALISTS ARE EXPLOITING THEM. If everyone denies to be, serve, then these so-called industries will fail. Immediately. That is Gandhi's proposal. "Noncooperate with the British government, and it will wind up."And actually so happened. Because people are now sudras, they depend for their bread to others, the others exploit them: "Come here. You work and I shall give you bread." They do not believe any more, "O God, give us our daily bread." They think that "This, our master give us daily bread." Thatis sudra. SUDRA MEANS ONE WHO IS DEPENDENT ON OTHERS. PARICARYATMAKAMKARYAM SUDRA-KARMA SVABHAVA-JAM. THIS IS THE DESCRIPTION, DEFINITION OFSUDRA. AND VAISYA: KRSI-GO-RAKSYA-VANIJYAM VAISYA-KARMA SVABHAVA-JAM. THE VAISYA IS DOING THE KRSI, AGRICULTURE. WHY HE SHOULD DEPEND ON...? TAKE SOME LAND FROM THE GOVERNMENT. YOU PRODUCE YOUR FOOD. WHERE IS THEDIFFICULTY? KEEP SOME COWS. YOU GET MILK. VAISYA-KARMA SVABHAVA...GO-RAKSYA. IF YOU HAVE GOT EXCESS, THEN MAKE TRADE. WHY YOU SHOULD DEPEND ON OTHERS?But they do not know. They want that "I shall go at ten o'clock in theoffice, and I shall do nothing. Simply I shall take the pen and make like this and take my salary." That's all. Cheating. This is going on. Therefore the whole system is polluted. Nobody's doing his duty. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma... According to one's quality, one must work. But nobody wants to work. So therefore they are sudras. They are working, but at the care of somebody else. Not independently. Now the school, college, the teacher is also depending on salary. So they are sudras. So what teaching they will give? TEACHING IS THE BUSINESS OF THE BRAHMANA. NO SALARY. Formerly, all the brahmanas, they used to have that... It is called tola, catuspathi. Catuspathi. Brahmana, he'll sit down anywhere and invite that "If you like, you can come and take some teachings from me." Note: Srila Prabhupada (our BONAFIDE spiritual master gives the ascertainment of our position---see the instructions he has provided)SB 5.19.19 A Description of the Island of JambudvipaThe people who take birth in this tract of land are divided according tothe qualities of material nature--the modes of goodness [sattva-guna], passion [rajo-guna], and ignorance [tamo-guna]. Some of them are born as exalted personalities, some are ordinary human beings, and some are extremely abominable, for in Bharata-varsa one takes birth exactlyaccording to one's past karma. IF ONE'S POSITION IS ASCERTAINED BY A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND ONE IS PROPERLY TRAINED TO ENGAGE IN THE SERVICE OF LORD VISNU ACCORDING TO THE FOUR SOCIAL DIVISIONS [bRAHMANA, KSATRIYA, VAISYA AND SUDRA] AND THE FOUR SPIRITUAL DIVISIONS [bRAHMACARI, GRHASTHA, VANAPRASTHA AND SANNYASA], ONE'S LIFE BECOMES PERFECT.Note: Srila Prabhupada spells out his mission: to institute the varnasrama system(all over the world).SB 5.19.19 varnasramacaravatapurusena parah pumanvisnur aradhyate panthananyat tat-tosa-karanam"The Supreme personality of Godhead, Lord Visnu, is worshiped by the proper execution of prescribed duties in the system of varna and asrama. There is no other way to satisfy the Lord." In the land of Bharata-varsa, the institution of varnasrama-dharma may be easily adopted. At the present moment, certain demoniac sections of the population of Bharatavarsa are disregarding the system of varnasrama-dharma. Because there is no institution to teach people how to become brahmanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas and sudras or brahmacaris, grhasthas, vanaprasthas and sannyasis, these demons want a classless society. This is resulting in chaotic conditions. In the name of secular government, unqualified people are taking the supreme governmental posts. No one is being trained to act according to theprinciples of varnasrama-dharma, and thus people are becoming increasingly degraded and are heading in the direction of animal life. THE REAL AIM OF LIFE IS LIBERATION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LIBERATION IS BEING DENIED TO PEOPLE IN GENERAL, AND THEREFORE THEIR HUMAN LIVES ARE BEING SPOILED. THE KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT, HOWEVER, IS BEINGPROPAGATED ALL OVER THE WORLD TO REESTABLISH THE VARNASRAMA-DHARMA SYSTEM AND THUS SAVE HUMAN SOCIETY FROM GLIDING DOWN TO HELLISH LIFE.Note: here Srila Prabhupada spells out the division according to the modes of nature.Bg 7.13 P By nature living entities have particular types of body and particulartypes of psychic and biological activities accordingly. THERE ARE FOURCLASSES OF MEN FUNCTIONING IN THE THREE MODES OF NATURE. THOSE WHO AREPURELY IN THE MODE OF GOODNESS ARE CALLED BRAHMANAS. THOSE WHO ARE PURELY IN THE MODE OF PASSION ARE CALLED KSATRIYAS. THOSE WHO ARE IN THE MODES OF BOTH PASSION AND IGNORANCE ARE CALLED VAISYAS. THOSE WHO ARE COMPLETELY IN IGNORANCE ARE CALLED SUDRAS. And those who are less than that are animals or animal life. However, these designations are not permanent.750524BG.FIJ So in the Bhagavad-gita it is said, karanam guna-sangah asya. As soon as we are in the material world, we are under the influence either of these three gunas: sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. THOSE WHO ARE PURELY IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE MODES OF GOODNESS, SATTVA-GUNA, THEY ARE CONSIDERED AS BRAHMANA. AND THOSE WHO ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RAJO-GUNA, PASSION, THEY ARE CALLED KSATRIYAS. AND THOSE WHO ARE ASSOCIATING WITH THE TAMO-GUNA, IGNORANCE, THEY ARE CALLED THE SUDRAS. AND THE MIXTURE OF TAMO-GUNA AND RAJO-GUNA IS THE POSITION OF THE VAISYA. In this way, there are four divisions of men everywhere. CATUR-VARNYAM MAYA SRSTAM GUNA-KARMA-VIBHAGASAH. According to the association of particular type of modes of nature and working in that way, it makes a division of the human society. That is required. For upkeep of the human society in order, according to the quality and work there must be division. But that is not that division as we are thinking at the present moment in India--a man is born in the brahmana family, he is brahmana. No. HE MUST HAVE THE BRAHMINICAL QUALIFICATION. That is first consideration. Samo damah satyam saucam arjavam titiksa, jnanam vijnanam astikyam brahma-karma svabhava-jam. That is the verdict of the sastra. Not by birth.Note: Kanistha (NEOPHYTE is QUALIFIED brahmana)770214r2.may Prabhupada: KANISTHA-ADHIKARI MEANS HE MUST BE A BRAHMANA. THAT ISKANISTHA-ADHIKARI. THE SPIRITUAL LIFE, KANISTHA-ADHIKARI, MEANS HE MUST BE A QUALIFIED BRAHMANA. THAT IS KANISTHA. WHAT IS ESTEEMED AS VERY HIGH POSITION IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, BRAHMANA, THAT IS KANISTHA-ADHIKARI. arcayam eva harayepujam yah sraddhayehatena tad-bhaktesu canyesusa bhaktah prakrtah smrtahThe brahmana means FROM THE MATERIAL STAGE gradually he is elevated to the spiritual stage. And BELOW THE BRAHMANA THERE IS NO QUESTION OF VAISNAVA.Hari-sauri: No question of?Prabhupada: Vaisnavism.Note: Purpose of Initiation710907IN.LON So the time is up? No. (break) By initiated process one is elevated tothe highest position in this material world. Brahmanas' position, in this material world, is the highest position. So this is a training to come to the brahminical stage. THEN ONE HAS TO SURPASS THAT BRAHMINICAL STAGE ALSO. THAT IS CALLED PURE GOODNESS. Brahmana is goodness, but there is chance of being contaminated with passion and ignorance, because it is material world. BUT WHEN (ONE) SURPASSES THAT BRAHMINICAL STAGE AND BECOMES PURE VAISNAVA, THEN KRSNA BECOMES REVEALED TO HIM. THEREFORE KRSNA'S NAME IS VASUDEVA. PURE STAGE OF LIFE IS CALLED VASUDEVA STAGE. JUST LIKE VASUDEVA WAS FATHER OF KRSNA. THAT MEANS WHEN ONE IS SITUATED IN THE VASUDEVA STAGE, SUDDHA-SATTVA, PURE GOODNESS, KRSNA IS BORN. KRSNA BORN MEANS KRSNA BECOMES VISIBLE, REVEALED. SO THIS INITIATION PROCESS IS GRADUALLY TO RAISE A DEVOTEE TO THAT PLATFORM. At the stage of Bhava revelations begins.Adi 7.83 Lord Caitanya in Five FeaturesIn this verse it is explained that one who chants the Hare Krsna mantradevelops BHAVA, ECSTASY, WHICH IS THE POINT AT WHICH REVELATION BEGINS.NoI 5 One should mentally honor the devotee who chants the holy name of LordKrsna, ONE SHOULD OFFER HUMBLE OBEISANCES TO THE DEVOTEE WHO HAS UNDERGONE SPIRITUAL INITIATION [DIKSA] and is engaged in worshiping the Deity, and one should associate with and faithfully serve that Pure devotee who is advanced in undeviated devotional service and whose heart is completely devoid of the propensity to criticize others.PURPORT In order to intelligently apply the sixfold loving reciprocations mentioned in the previous verse, one must select proper persons with careful discrimination. Srila Rupa Gosvami therefore advises that we should meet with the Vaisnavas in an appropriate way, according to their particular status. In this verse he tells us how to deal with three types of devotees--the kanistha-adhikari, madhyama-adhikari and uttama-adhikari. THE KANISTHA-ADHIKARI IS A NEOPHYTE WHO HAS RECEIVED THE HARI-NAMA INITIATION FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND IS TRYING TO CHANT THE HOLY NAME OF KRSNA.One should respect such a person within his mind as a kanistha-vaisnava. A MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI HAS RECEIVED SPIRITUAL INITIATION FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND HAS BEEN FULLY ENGAGED BY HIM IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD. The madhyama-adhikari should be considered to be situated midway in devotional service. The uttama-adhikari, or highest devotee, is one who is very advanced in devotional service. An uttama-adhikari is not interested in blaspheming others, his heart is completely clean, and he has attained the realized state of unalloyed Krsna consciousness. According to Srila Rupa Gosvami, the association and service of such a maha-bhagavata, or perfect Vaisnava, are most desirable.Note:Srila Prabhupada the PURE DEVOTEE and his purports from theSrimad-Bhagavatam are FULLY competant to transmit Loving mellows(diksa---Vasudava is revealed in the heart). Adi 1.99 One of the bhagavatas is the great scripture Srimad-Bhagavatam, AND THEOTHER IS THE PURE DEVOTEE ABSORBED IN THE MELLOWS OF LOVING DEVOTION.Adi 1.100 THROUGH THE ACTIONS OF THESE TWO BHAGAVATAS THE LORD INSTILLS THEMELLOWS OF TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE INTO THE HEART OF A LIVING BEING, and thus the Lord, in the heart of His devotee, comes under the control of the devotee's love.Note:Madhyama adhikari has received SPIRITUAL initiation. Antya 4.192 DIKSA-kale bhakta kare atma-samarpanasei-kale krsna tare kare atma-sama"At the time of initiation, when a devotee FULLY SURRENDERS UNTO THESERVICE OF THE LORD, Krsna accepts him to be as good as Himself.Antya 4.194 " 'The living entity who is subjected to birth and death, when he givesup all material activities dedicating his life to Me for executing Myorder, and thus acts according to My direction, at that time he reaches the platform of immortality, and becomes fit to enjoy the SPIRITUAL BLISS OF EXCHANGE OF LOVING MELLOWS WITH ME.'760211SB.MAY In the madhyama-adhikari he can see four things. What is that? Fourthings means, first of all the Supreme Lord, isvara, the controller, he can see. HE CAN SEE MEANS HE UNDERSTANDS, HE APPRECIATES, HE CAN CONCEIVE, "YES, THE SUPREME LORD IS THERE". THERE IS NO MORE THEORETICAL.Srila Prabhupada the PURE devotee is the ACARYA who is giving us this opportunity for Krishna and his pastimes --loving mellows--to be transferred from his heart to ours PROVIDED we chant the Hare Krishna mantra offenseless and pure(love of God).SB 10.2.18 As indicated here by the word manastah, the SUPREME PERSONALITY OFGODHEAD WAS TRANSFERRED FROM THE CORE OF VASUDEVA'S MIND OR HEART TO THE CORE OF THE HEART OF DEVAKI. WE SHOULD NOTE CAREFULLY THAT THE LORD WAS TRANSFERRED TO DEVAKI NOT BY THE ORDINARY WAY FOR A HUMAN BEING, BUT BY DIKSA, INITIATION. Thus the importance of initiation is mentioned here. UNLESS ONE IS INITIATED BY THE RIGHT PERSON, WHO ALWAYS CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE CANNOT ACQUIRE THE POWER TO CARRY THE SUPREME GODHEAD WITHIN THE CORE OF ONE'S OWN HEART. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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