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Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 new email will be gauranga baby satyahit das - <vediculture > <vediculture > Sunday, September 17, 2000 6:04 AM [world-vedic] Digest Number 88 > > This is an information resource and discussion group for people interested in the World's Ancient Vedic Culture, with a focus on its historical, archeological and scientific aspects. Also topics about India, Hinduism, God, and other aspects of World Culture are welcome. > > ------ > > There are 10 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. ACARYA(PURE DEVOTEE) FALLS DOWN? > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > 2. BRAHMA: AS THE ACARYA OF OUR DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION CANNOT FALL DOWN > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > 3. SRILA PRABHUPADA IS HIS DIVINE GRACE > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > 4. **Mahabhagavata (uttama-adhikari) First-class devotee does NOT fall down----SAYS SRILA PRABHUPADA!** > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > 5. SATSVARUPA MAHARAJA'S NEXT BODY? > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > 6. VANDANAM > "Indira dasi" <indira > 7. SRI RADHA-KUNDASTKAM > "Indira dasi" <indira > 8. SRILA PRABHUPADA > "Indira dasi" <indira > 9. LORD CAITANYA > "Indira dasi" <indira > 10. SRILA NARAYANA MAHARAJA > "Indira dasi" <indira > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:37:52 +0100 > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > ACARYA(PURE DEVOTEE) FALLS DOWN? > > > ACARYA(PURE DEVOTEE) FALLS DOWN? > > > > There are two issues here: > > > > 1 The falldown from the spiritual world: > > > > 67-08-27. Letter: Jananivasa > > The Spirit Soul is certainly eternal and changeless; and the fall is superficial, just like the relation between father and son cannot be broken ever. Now we are simply in a phase of forgetfulness, and this forgetfulness is called Maya. There is a nice example in the waning of the moon. To use the moon appears to be changing, but in fact the moon is always the same. So as ETERNAL SERVITORS of Krishna--OUR CONSTITUTIONAL POSITION--WE FALL DOWN WHEN WE TRY TO BECOME THE ENJOYER, imitating Krishna. THAT IS OUR DOWNFALL. Krishna is the Supreme Enjoyer, and we are constitutionally to be enjoyed by Him, and when we revive this constitutional position where is no more Maya. K.C. gives us the opportunity of rendering service to Krishna, and this service attitude only can replace us on our original position. > > > > 2 The Acarya (PURE DEVOTEE) who is EMPOWERED AND PROTECTED by Krishna is SUPPOSED ---according to Narasingha Maharaja and some others can fall down. This is ---like saying to come under the shelter of Krishna's pure devotee is unreliable. > > > > The noted difference is that the souls-who as Srila Prabhupada has stated clearly "try to become the enjoyer, imitating Krishna" fall down. BUT this fall down does NOT necessarily apply to Srila Prabhupada or those acaryas who precede him who have come here TO SERVE Krishna's purpose in delivering humanity. These acaryas are EMPOWERED AND PROTECTED BY KRISHNA. They have NOT come here to become ENJOYER. > > > > THIS is why Narasingha Maharaja and his colleagues will find it VERY difficult to prove that (PURE DEVOTEES) ACARYAS fall down. This ludicrous theme is NOT found in Srila Prabhupada's books AT ALL. > > > > Here is the ACARYA DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION--- PROVE IT! WHERE? IS THE FALLEN ACARYA IN OUR GLORIOUS Disciplic succession of acaryas. > > 68-02-13. Letter: Upendra > > My Guru Maharaja was in the 10th generation from Lord Caitanya. We are 11th from Lord Caitanya. The disciplic sucession is as follows: 1. Sri Krishna, 2. Brahma, 3. Narada, 4. Vyasa, 5. Madhva, 6. Padmanabha, 7. Nrihari, 8. Madhava, 9. Akshobhya, 10. Jayatirtha, 11. Jnanasindhu, 12. Purusottama, 13. Vidyanidhi, 14. Rajendra, 15. Jayadharma, 16. Purusottama, 17. Vyasatirtha, 18. Laksmipati, 19. Madhavendra Puri, 20. Isvara Puri (Advaita, Nityananda) 21. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, 22. (Svarupa, Sanatana) Rupa, 23.(Jiva) Raghunath, 24. Krishna dasa, 25. Narottama, 26. Visvanatha, 27. (Baladeva.) Jagannatha, 28. (Bhaktivinode) Gaura-kisora, 29. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, Sri Barshabhanavidayitadas, 30. Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta. > > > > SB 3.29.17 P > > In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge BY ACCEPTING THE ACARYA. Acaryopasanam: one SHOULD WORSHIP AN ACARYA, a spiritual master who knows things as they are. The spiritual master must be in the disciplic succession from Krsna. THE PREDECESSORS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER ARE HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GREAT-GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER AND SO ON, WHO FORM THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS. > > > > >Devotee: But so many, what you are calling pure devotees, have >fallen down - a pure devotee can not fall down. > > >Narasingha Maharaja: Oh. This is very interesting point that >you are making. On one hand you say that a pure devotee can not >fall down but on the other hand, yourself and other ritvik >proponents, are of the opinion that all living entities in the >mundane world have fallen from eternal lila with Krishna in >Goloka or Vaikuntha - is it not? > > >Devotee: Yes. But... > > >Narasingha Maharaja: So in the spiritual world were these >fallen souls pure devotees or not? If they are not pure >devotees then how can they be with Krishna in eternal lila. >Therefore by your own admission a pure devotee can fall down - >is it not? > > > > Note: here Srila Prabhupada gives his VERDICT. > > Madhya 22.71 > It should be understood that a madhyama-adhikari, a second-class > devotee, is fully convinced of Krsna consciousness but cannot support his convictions with sastric reference. A neophyte may fall down by associating with nondevotees because he is not firmly convinced and strongly situated. The second-class devotee, even though he cannot support his position with > sastric reference, can gradually become a first-class devotee by studying the sastras and associating with a first-class devotee. However,if the second-class devotee does not advance himself by associating with a first-class devotee, he makes no progress. THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY THAT A FIRST-CLASS DEVOTEE WILL FALL DOWN, EVEN THOUGH HE MAY MIX WITH NONDEVOTEES TO PREACH. Conviction and faith gradually increase to make one anuttama-adhikari, a first-class devotee. > > > > Note: here Srila Prabhupada says clearly HE DOES NOT DEVIATE AT ALL. > > Bg 4.42 P > > A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS IN THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION FROM TIME ETERNAL, AND HE DOES NOT DEVIATE AT ALL FROM THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE SUPREME LORD as they were imparted millions of years ago to the sun-god, from whom the instructions of Bhagavad-gita have come down to the earthly kingdom. One should, therefore, follow the path of Bhagavad-gita as it is expressed in the Gita itself and BEWARE OF SELF-INTERESTED PEOPLE AFTER PERSONAL AGGRANDIZEMENT WHO DEVIATE OTHERS FROM THE ACTUAL PATH. The Lord is definitely the supreme person, and His activities are transcendental. One who understands this is a liberated person from the very beginning of his study of the Gita. > > > > Note: Srila Prabhupada warns us: personal aggrandizement---this so-called gurus who want to take us for a ride. Best to worship His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada the bona fide acarya. > > > > Pure devotee falls?---NO! GURUSU NARA-MATIH. > > SB 7.7.14 P > > Even if a man is very advanced in learning, he cannot understand the behavior of a Vaisnava. Anyone can take shelter of a pure Vaisnava, without fear. Therefore in the previous verse it has been distinctly said, devarser antike sakuto-bhaya: Kayadhu, the mother of Prahlada Maharaja, stayed under the protection of Narada Muni without fear from any direction. SIMILARLY, NARADA MUNI, IN HIS TRANSCENDENTAL POSITION, STAYED WITH THE YOUNG WOMAN WITHOUT FEAR OF DEVIATION. NARADA MUNI, HARIDASA THAKURA AND SIMILAR ACARYAS ESPECIALLY EMPOWERED TO BROADCAST THE GLORIES OF THE LORD CANNOT BE BROUGHT DOWN TO THE MATERIAL PLATFORM. THEREFORE ONE IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN TO THINK THAT THE ACARYA IS AN ORDINARY HUMAN BEING (GURUSU NARA-MATIH). > > > > Note: they are NOT disturbed > > SB 6.17.29 > Those who are not narayana-para, pure devotees, must be disturbed by this duality of the material world, whereas devotees who are simply attached to the service of the Lord are not at all disturbed by it. For example, Haridasa Thakura was beaten with cane in twenty-two bazaars, but he was never disturbed; instead, he smilingly tolerated the beating. Despite the disturbing dualities of the material world, devotees are not disturbed at all. BECAUSE THEY FIX THEIR MINDS ON THE LOTUS FEET OF THE LORD AND CONCENTRATE ON THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD, THEY DO NOT FEEL THE SO-CALLED PAINS AND PLEASURES CAUSED BY THE DUALITIES OF THIS MATERIAL WORLD. > > > > SB 6.12.19 P > As stated in Bhagavad-gita (6.22): > > > > yam labdhva caparam labham > > manyate nadhikam tatah > > YASMIN STHITO NA DUHKHENA > > GURUNAPI VICALYATE > > > > "Established in Krsna consciousness, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. BEING SITUATED IN SUCH A POSITION, ONE IS NEVER SHAKEN, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF THE GREATEST DIFFICULTY." AN UNALLOYED DEVOTEE IS NEVER DISTURBED BY ANY KIND OF TRYING CIRCUMSTANCE. > > > > Note: Brahma as the acarya is given PROTECTION. > > SB 3.12.28 P > > Maitreya hesitated to state this anomaly on the part of Brahma, who was sexually inclined to his own daughter, but still he mentioned it because sometimes it so happens, and the living example is Brahma himself, although he is the primeval living being and the most learned within the whole universe. If Brahma could be a victim of the sexual urge, then what of others, who are prone to so many mundane frailties? THIS EXTRAORDINARY IMMORALITY ON THE PART OF BRAHMA WAS HEARD TO HAVE OCCURRED IN SOME PARTICULAR KALPA, BUT IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE KALPA IN WHICH BRAHMA HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD THE FOUR ESSENTIAL VERSES OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM BECAUSE THE LORD BLESSED BRAHMA, AFTER GIVING HIM LESSONS ON THE BHAGAVATAM, THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE BEWILDERED IN ANY KALPA WHATSOEVER. THIS INDICATES THAT BEFORE THE HEARING OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE MIGHT HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO SUCH SENSUALITY, BUT AFTER HEARING SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD, THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY OF SUCH FAILURES. > > > > Narasingha Maharaja seems upset at Srila Prabhupada's potency to give diksa as mentioned below to the generations of devotees to come. If he wants to succeed Srila Prabhupada (disciplic succession of acaryas) he has to prove Srila Prabhupada is no longer capable to give the Madhyama adhikaris diksa. Ofcourse there is a cheaper way -sahijiya way around it -just throw a few > > bananas and sesame seeds in the fire and give "initiation" calling the devotees "his" disciples. BUT are they following "his" discipline or are they following Srila Prabhupada's discipline? One who follows Srila Prabhupada's discipline from his books is Srila Prabhupda's disciple---common sense.16 rounds plus 4 regulative principles these are also given by Srila Prabhupada. Others can but imitate by saying--- here do this. > > > > Note: at stage of Madhyama adhikari CAN serve Krishna in Loving mellows.THIS is spiritual initiation -diksa. > > Antya 4.192-194 > > DIKSA-KALE bhakta kare atma-samarpana > > sei-kale krsna tare kare atma-sama > > "At the time of initiation, when a devotee fully surrenders unto the service of the Lord, Krsna accepts him to be as good as Himself. > > "When the devotee's body is thus transformed into spiritual existence, the devotee, in that transcendental body, renders service to the lotus feet of the Lord. > > " 'The living entity who is subjected to birth and death, when he gives up all material activities dedicating his life to Me for executing My order, and thus acts according to My direction, at that time he reaches the platform of immortality, and becomes fit to enjoy the spiritual bliss of EXCHANGE OF LOVING MELLOWS WITH ME.' > > > > Note: all Srila Prabhupada authorized was the FINAL ORDER to the society July 9th 1977 naming them as ritviks. He did not say they were acaryas and were to be worshiped as good as God. > > Madhya 10.136 > > The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Krsna and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Visvanatha Cakravarti: saksad-dharitvenasa. An authorized spiritual master is as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. > > > > Note: here is Srila Prabhupada's authority from his guru explaining Srila Prabhupada to be Jagad-guru(spiritual master of the ENTIRE world) and spiritual master of ALL varnas and asramas > > (varnasrama).It is Srila Prabhupada who is ACTUALLY preaching the through his books presenting the holy name (initiating) and delivering the conditioned souls. > > Antya 7.12 > > "In the Dvapara-yuga one could satisfy Krsna or Visnu only by worshiping opulently according to the pancaratriki system, but in the age of Kali one can satisfy and worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead Hari simply by chanting His holy name." SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA EXPLAINS THAT UNLESS ONE IS DIRECTLY EMPOWERED BY THE CAUSELESS MERCY OF KRSNA, ONE CANNOT BECOME THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD (JAGAD-GURU). ONE CANNOT BECOME AN ACARYA SIMPLY BY MENTAL SPECULATION. THE TRUE ACARYA PRESENTS KRSNA TO EVERYONE BY PREACHING THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. Thus the conditioned souls, purified by chanting the holy name, are liberated from the blazing fire of material existence. In this way, spiritual benefit grows increasingly full, like the waxing moon in the sky. THE TRUE ACARYA, THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD, must be considered an incarnation of Krsna's mercy. indeed, he is personally embracing Krsna. HE IS THEREFORE THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF ALL THE VARNAS (BRAHMANA, KSATRIYA, VAISYA AND SUDRA) AND ALL THE ASRAMAS (BRAHMACARYA, GRHASTHA, VANAPRASTHA AND SANNYASA). Since he is understood to be the most advanced devotee, he is called paramahamsa-thakura. Thakura is a title of honor offered to the paramahamsa. Therefore one who acts as an acarya, directly presenting Lord Krsna by spreading His name and fame, is also to be called paramahamsa-thakura. > > > > SRILA PRABHUPADA IS MAHA-BHAGAVATA WHO IS DELIVERING US! > Madhya 24.330 > MAHA-BHAGAVATA-SRESTHO > brahmano vai gurur nrnam > sarvesam eva lokanam > asau pujyo yatha harih > The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. > > Madhya 24.330 > When one has attained the TOPMOST POSITION OF MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU. > > nama-om-visnu-padaya-krsna-presthya-bhu-tale > srimate-BHAKTIVEDANTA-svamin-iti-namine > > namas-te-sarasvate-deve-gaura-vani-pracarine > nirvisesa-suniyavadi-pascatya-DESA-TARINE > > I offer my respectful obeisances unto HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C.BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA, who is very dear to Lord Krsna, having taken shelter at his lotus feet. > > Our respectful obeisances are unto you, O spiritual master, servant of Sarasvati Gosvami. YOU ARE KINDLY PREACHING THE MESSAGE OF CAITANYA-DEVA AND DELIVERING THE WESTERN COUNTRIES WHICH ARE FILLED WITH IMPERSONALISM AND VOIDISM. > > Srila Prabhupada DELIVERS! HOW? he preaches in his books GIVING the holy name ONLY UTTAMA ADHIKARI IS QUALIFIED TO DELIVER(BY DEFINITION). > > ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAT SIKSA AND DIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA! HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE /HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE > > > > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:39:34 +0100 > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > BRAHMA: AS THE ACARYA OF OUR DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION CANNOT FALL DOWN > > > > BRAHMA: AS THE ACARYA OF OUR DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION CANNOT FALL DOWN > > THIS FALL DOWN OCCURRED WHEN HE WAS NOT THE ACARYA(HE WAS BLESSED BY THE LORD--"HE WOULD NEVER BE BEWILDERED IN ANY KALPA" WHEN HE HEARD > SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM FROM THE LORD). > > THIS EXTRAORDINARY IMMORTALITY ON THE PART OF BRAHMA WAS HEARD TO HAVE > OCCURRED IN SOME PARTICULAR KALPA, BUT IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE KALPA IN WHICH BRAHMA HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD THE FOUR ESSENTIAL VERSES OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM BECAUSE THE LORD BLESSED BRAHMA, AFTER GIVING HIM LESSONS ON THE BHAGAVATAM, THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE BEWILDERED IN ANY KALPA WHATSOEVER. THIS INDICATES THAT BEFORE THE HEARING OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE MIGHT HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO SUCH SENSUALITY, BUT AFTER HEARING SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD, THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY OF SUCH FAILURES. > SB 3.12.28 > O Vidura, we have heard that Brahma had a daughter named Vak who was born from his body and who attracted his mind toward sex, although she was not sexually inclined towards him. > PURPORT > Balavan indriya-gramo vidvamsam api karsati (Bhag. 9.19.17). It is said > that the senses are so mad and strong that they can bewilder even the most sensible and learned man. Therefore it is advised that one should not indulge in living alone even with one's mother, sister or daughter. > Vidvamsam api karsati means that even the most learned also become victims of the sensuous urge. Maitreya hesitated to state this anomaly on the part of Brahma, who was sexually inclined to his own daughter, but still he mentioned it because sometimes it so happens, and the living example is Brahma himself, although he is the primeval living being and the most learned within the whole universe. If Brahma could be a victim of the sexual urge, then what of others, who are prone to so many mundane frailties? THIS EXTRAORDINARY IMMORTALITY ON THE PART OF BRAHMA WAS HEARD TO HAVE OCCURRED IN SOME PARTICULAR KALPA, BUT IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE KALPA IN WHICH BRAHMA HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD THE FOUR ESSENTIAL VERSES OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM BECAUSE THE LORD BLESSED BRAHMA, AFTER GIVING HIM LESSONS ON THE BHAGAVATAM, THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE BEWILDERED IN ANY KALPA WHATSOEVER. THIS INDICATES THAT BEFORE THE HEARING OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE MIGHT HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO SUCH SENSUALITY, BUT AFTER HEARING SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD, THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY OF SUCH FAILURES. > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:42:58 +0100 > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > SRILA PRABHUPADA IS HIS DIVINE GRACE > > > > SRILA PRABHUPADA IS HIS DIVINE GRACE > > 67-01-30: Brahmananda > One thing you may note also as a matter of etiquette. THE SPIRITUAL > MASTER IS ADDRESSED AS HIS DIVINE GRACE, a Godbrother is addressed as His Grace, and any Sannyasin is addressed as HIS HOLINESS. > > HIS DIVINE GRACE IS ALWAYS CONSULTING KRSNA > 760714iv.ny > Bali-mardana: In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in > charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this person should be in charge. > Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified. > Prabhupada: YES, BECAUSE A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND HE GIVES > ORDER. > Interviewer: IT'S A MORE DIRECT COMMUNICATION. > Prabhupada: YES. AND HE GIVES ORDER. > Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some... > Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well. > Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me. > Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, "DO LIKE THIS." NOT FIGURATIVELY. > Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other > kinds of activities as well? > Prabhupada: EVERYTHING. BECAUSE A DEVOTEE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT > CONSULTING KRSNA. > > HIS DIVINE GRACE SPEAKS AS KRSNA SPEAKS > Antya 5.71 > One is forbidden to accept the guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinary human being (gurusu nara-matih). When Ramananda Raya spoke to Pradyumna Misra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that Ramananda Raya was not an ordinary human being. A spiritually advanced person who acts with authority, as the spiritual master, speaks as the Supreme Personality of Godhead DICTATES FROM WITHIN. Thus it is not he that is personally speaking. WHEN A PURE DEVOTEE OR SPIRITUAL MASTER SPEAKS, WHAT HE SAYS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS HAVING BEEN DIRECTLY SPOKEN BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IN THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM. > > DIFFERENCE IS SRILA PRABHUPADA SPEAKS WHAT KRSNA SPEAKS AND SO-CALLED GURUS HAVE TO JOG THE BRAIN TO GIVE ANSWERS. > 760628bj.nv > Prabhupada: So-called gurus, they are so-called gurus. They are not gurus. That is already explained. If one does not speak what Krsna speaks, he is not guru. If you accept so-called guru, that is your misfortune. What can be done? > Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they'll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons? > Prabhupada: He's MOST DANGEROUS. He's MOST DANGEROUS. He is OPPORTUNIST. HE'S FINDING OUT CUSTOMER, SOMETHING HERE... ACCORDING TO THE CUSTOMER HE IS GIVING SOMETHING, AS THE CUSTOMERS WILL BE PLEASED. SO HE IS NOT GURU. He's a servant. He wants to serve the so-called disciples so that he may be satisfied and pay him something. He's servant. He's not guru. Guru is the master. You cannot disobey guru. But if you become a servant, you want to please the disciple by flattering him to get his money, then you are not guru, you are servant. Just like a servant pleases the master. He's not > guru. He's servant. So our position should be servant, yes, but servant of the Supreme. So guru means heavy. You cannot utilize him for satisfying your whims. That is not guru. > > JUST A FEW PLACES WHERE RITVIKS IN VEDIC SOCIETY PERFORMED CEREMONIES. > SO CALLED GURUS PERFORM INITIATION CEREMONIES TODAY ALSO-- ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE CALLED RITVIKS. ALTHOUGH THEY CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH KRSNA THEY PREFER TO BE CALLED DIKSA GURUS. > > SB 9.1.15 > adhvaryuna--by the rtvik priest; > > SB 4.5.7 > rtvijah--the priests; > > SB 4.5.18 > rtvijah--the priests > > SB 4.6.52 > rtvijam--of the priests; > > SB 4.7.16 > rtvik--the priests; > > SB 4.7.27 > rtvijah--the priests; > > SB 4.7.45 > rtvijah--the priests; > > SB 4.7.56 > rtvigbhih--with the priests; > > SB 4.13.26 > rtvijah--the priests; > > SRILA PRABHUPADA GIVES A PERFECT PLAN (KEEPING THE ACARYA AT THE CENTRE): THEY > PREFER TO BE IMMEDIATELY HIS DIVINE GRACES-----WITHOUT COMMUNICATION WITH > KRSNA! SRILA PRABHUPADA'S PLAN IS TOPSY-TURVIED AND THE REST IS HISTORY. > Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents > -- > Vrindaban > 9 July, 1977 > > To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents > > Dear Maharajas and Prabhus, > Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of > the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik--representative of the acarya, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity: > > His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami > His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami > His Holiness Jayapataka Swami > His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami > His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami > His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami > His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami > His Holiness Ramesvara Swami > His Holiness Harikesa Swami > His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari > His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari > > In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada > recommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee AS AN INITIATED DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD, THE ABOVE ELEVEN SENIOR DEVOTEES ACTING AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book. Hoping this finds you all well. > > Your servant, > Approved: Tamala Krsna Gosvami > A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Secretary to Srila Prabhupada > __________________ > > ONLY ONE QUESTION---If they call themselves Divine Graces then why their words are not accepted by ALL SECTIONS of society just like Srila Prabhupada? If it is a fact that Krsna speaks through them than ALL of us would be QUOTING them just like we quote Srila Prabhupada because the words emanating from his lips come from Krsna--is it not? > Srila Prabhupada is QUOTED because: he is ACCEPTED as authority. > > > ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAD DIKSA AND SIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA! > HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE/ > HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE. > > > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 4 > Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:45:36 +0100 > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > **Mahabhagavata (uttama-adhikari) First-class devotee does NOT fall down----SAYS SRILA PRABHUPADA!** > > > **Mahabhagavata (uttama-adhikari) First-class devotee does NOT fall down----SAYS SRILA PRABHUPADA!** > > Madhya 22.71 > It should be understood that a madhyama-adhikari, a second-class > devotee, is fully convinced of Krsna consciousness but cannot support his convictions with sastric reference. A neophyte may fall down by associating with nondevotees because he is not firmly convinced and strongly situated. The second-class devotee, even though he cannot support his position with sastric reference, can gradually become a first-class devotee by studying the sastras and associating with a first-class devotee. However, if the second-class devotee does not advance himself by associating with a first-class devotee, he makes no progress. THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY THAT A FIRST-CLASS DEVOTEE WILL FALL DOWN, EVEN THOUGH HE MAY MIX WITH NONDEVOTEES TO PREACH. Conviction and faith gradually increase to make one an uttama-adhikari, a first-class devotee. > > Bg 9.3 > There are three divisions of Krsna conscious men. In the third class are those who have no faith. If they are engaged in devotional service > officially, for some ulterior purpose, they cannot achieve the highest > perfectional stage. Most probably they will slip, after some time. They may become engaged, but because they haven't complete conviction and faith, it is very difficult for them to continue in Krsna consciousness. WE HAVE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE IN DISCHARGING OUR MISSIONARY ACTIVITY THAT SOME PEOPLE COME AND APPLY THEMSELVES TO KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITH SOME HIDDEN MOTIVE, AND AS SOON AS THEY ARE ECONOMICALLY A LITTLE WELL SITUATED THEY GIVE UP THIS PROCESS AND TAKE TO THEIR OLD WAYS AGAIN. It is only by faith that one can advance in Krsna consciousness. As far as the development of faith is concerned, one who is well versed in the literatures of devotional service and has attained the stage of firm faith is called a first-class person in Krsna consciousness. And in the second-class are those who are > not very advanced in understanding the devotional scriptures but who > automatically have firm faith that krsna-bhakti or service to Krsna is the best course and so in good faith have taken it up. Thus they are superior to the third-class who have neither perfect knowledge of the scriptures nor good faith but by association and simplicity are trying to follow. THE THIRD-CLASS PERSON IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MAY FALL DOWN, BUT WHEN ONE IS IN THE SECOND-CLASS OR FIRST-CLASS HE DOES NOT FALL DOWN. One in the first-class will surely make progress and achieve the result at the end. As far as the third-class person in Krsna consciousness is concerned, although he has faith in the conviction that devotional service to Krsna is very good, he has no knowledge of Krsna through the scriptures like Srimad-Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita. Sometimes these third-class persons in Krsna consciousness have some tendency toward karma-yoga and jnana-yoga, and sometimes they are disturbed, but as soon as the infection of karma-yoga or jnana-yoga is vanquished, they become second-class or first-class persons in Krsna consciousness. FAITH IN KRSNA IS ALSO DIVIDED INTO THREE STAGES AND DESCRIBED IN SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM. FIRST-CLASS ATTACHMENT, SECOND-CLASS ATTACHMENT, AND THIRD-CLASS ATTACHMENT ARE ALSO EXPLAINED IN SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM IN THE ELEVENTH CANTO. Those who have no faith even after hearing about Krsna and the excellence of devotional service, who think that it is simply eulogy, find the path very difficult, even if they are supposedly engaged in devotional service. For them there is very little hope in gaining perfection. Thus faith is very important in > the discharge of devotional service. > > TLC 11 > There are three classes of devotees according to the degree of > conviction. The first-class devotee is conversant with all kinds of Vedic literature and at the same time has the firm conviction mentioned above. He can deliver all others from the pangs of material miseries. The second-class devotee is firmly convinced and has strong faith, but he has no power to cite evidence from revealed scriptures. The third-class devotee is one whose faith is not very strong, but, by the gradual cultivation of devotional service, he will eventually be eligible for promotion to the second or first-class position. It is said in Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.2.45-47) that the first class devotee always sees the Supreme Lord as the soul of all living entities. Thus in seeing all living entities, he sees Krsna and nothing but Krsna. The second-class devotee places his full faith in the Supreme Personality of Godhead, makes friends with the pure devotees, favors innocent persons and avoids those who are atheistic or opposed to devotional service. The third-class devotee engages in devotional service according to the directions of the spiritual master, or engages out of family tradition, and worships the Deity of the Lord, but he is not cultivated in knowledge of devotional service, and he does not know > a devotee from a nondevotee. SUCH A THIRD-CLASS DEVOTEE CANNOT ACTUALLY BE CONSIDERED A PURE DEVOTEE; HE IS ALMOST IN THE DEVOTIONAL LINE, BUT HIS POSITION IS NOT VERY SECURE. > > Madhya 16.74 > Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura says that if an observer > immediately remembers the holy name of Krsna upon seeing a Vaisnava, that Vaisnava should be considered a maha-bhagavata, a first-class devotee. Such a Vaisnava is always aware of his Krsna conscious duty, and he is enlightened in self-realization. He is always in love with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna, and this love is without adulteration. > > Because of this love, he is always awake to transcendental realization. > Because he knows that Krsna consciousness is the basis of knowledge and > action, he sees everything connected with Krsna. Such a person is able to chant the holy name of Krsna perfectly. Such a maha-bhagavata Vaisnava has the transcendental eyes to see who is sleeping under the spell of maya, and he engages himself in awakening sleeping conditioned beings by spreading the knowledge of Krsna consciousness. He opens eyes that are closed by forgetfulness of Krsna. Thus the living entity is liberated from the dullness of material energy and is engaged fully in the service of the Lord. The madhyama-adhikari Vaisnava can awaken others to Krsna consciousness and engage them in duties whereby they can advance. It is therefore said in Caitanya-caritamrta (Madhya-lila, Chapter Six, verse > 279): > lohake yavat sparsi' hema nahi kare > tavat sparsa-mani keha cinite na pare > "One cannot understand the value of touchstone until it turns iron into > gold." One should judge by action, not by promises. A MAHA-BHAGAVATA CAN TURN A LIVING ENTITY FROM ABOMINABLE MATERIAL LIFE TO THE LORD'S SERVICE. THIS IS THE TEST OF A MAHA-BHAGAVATA. Although preaching is not meant for a maha-bhagavata, a maha-bhagavata can descend to the platform of madhyama-bhagavata just to convert others to Vaisnavism. ACTUALLY A MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS FIT TO SPREAD KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS, but he does not distinguish where Krsna consciousness should be spread from where it should not. He thinks that everyone is competent to accept Krsna consciousness if the chance is provided. A neophyte and intermediate devotee should always be anxious to hear the maha-bhagavata and serve him in every respect. The neophyte and intermediate devotees can gradually rise to the platform of uttama-adhikari and become first-class devotees. Symptoms of a first-class > devotee are given in Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.2.45): > sarva-bhutesu yah pasyed > bhagavad-bhavam atmanah > bhutani bhagavaty atmany > esa bhagavatottamah > When teaching Sanatana Gosvami, the Lord further said: > sastra-yuktye sunipuna, drdha-sraddha yanra > 'UTTAMA-ADHIKARI' SE TARAYE SAMSARA > "If one is expert in Vedic literature and has full faith in the Supreme > Lord, then he is AN UTTAMA-ADHIKARI, A FIRST-CLASS VAISNAVA, A TOPMOST > VAISNAVA WHO CAN DELIVER THE WHOLE WORLD AND TURN EVERYONE TO KRSNA > CONSCIOUSNESS." (Cc. Madhya 22.65) With great love and affection, the > maha-bhagavata observes the Supreme Personality of Godhead, devotional > service and the devotee. He observes nothing beyond Krsna, Krsna > consciousness and Krsna's devotees. The maha-bhagavata knows that everyone is engaged in the Lord's service in different ways. He therefore descends to the middle platform to elevate everyone to the Krsna conscious position. > > NOTE: UTTAMA-ADHIKARI is on the topmost level PREMA (love of Godhead)stage. Now just see the extremely high level of Bhava which considered just a PRELIMINARY STAGE OF LOVE OF GODHEAD. > > Adi 7.83 > In this verse it is explained that one who chants the Hare Krsna mantra > develops BHAVA, ECSTASY, WHICH IS THE POINT AT WHICH REVELATION BEGINS. It is the PRELIMINARY STAGE in developing one's original love for God. Lord Krsna mentions this bhava stage in the Bhagavad-gita (10.8): > aham sarvasya prabhavo > mattah sarvam pravartate > iti matva bhajante mam > budha bhava-samanvitah > "I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts." > > NoI 7 > ALTHOUGH MAYA MAY BE PRESENT, IT CANNOT DISTURB A DEVOTEE ONCE HE > ATTAINS THE BHAVA STAGE. This is because the devotee can see the real > position of maya. Maya means forgetfulness of Krsna, and forgetfulness of Krsna and Krsna consciousness stand side by side like light and shadow. If one remains in shadow, he cannot enjoy the facilities offered by light, and if one remains in light, he cannot be disturbed by the darkness of shadow. > > SB 3.27.6 > Bhavena, or bhava, is a very important factor in the practice of yoga or in any spiritual process. Bhava is explained in Bhagavad-gita (10.8). Budha bhava-samanvitah: one should be absorbed in the thought of love of Krsna. > When one knows that Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the > source of everything and that everything emanates from Him (aham sarvasya prabhavah), then one understands the Vedanta aphorism janmady asya yatah ("the original source of everything"), AND THEN HE CAN BECOME ABSORBED IN BHAVA, OR THE PRELIMINARY STAGE OF LOVE OF GODHEAD. > > Note: BEFORE reaching the stage of BHAVA one is considered as NEOPHYTE. > > Bs 5.38 > The Syamasundara form of Krsna is His inconceivable simultaneous > personal and impersonal self-contradictory form. True devotees see that > form in their purified hearts under the influence of devotional trance. The form Syama is not the blue color visible in the mundane world but is the transcendental variegated color affording eternal bliss, and is not visible to the mortal eye. On a consideration of the trance of Vyasadeva as in the sloka, bhakti-yogena manasi etc., it will be clear that the form of Sri Krsna is the full Personality of Godhead and can only be visible in the heart of a true devotee, which is the only true seat in the state of trance under the influence of devotion. When Krsna manifested Himself in Vraja, both the devotees and nondevotees saw Him with this very eye; but only the devotees cherished Him, eternally present in Vraja, as the priceless jewel of their heart. Nowadays also the devotees see Him in Vraja in their hearts, saturated with devotion although they do not see Him with their eyes. The eye of devotion is nothing but the eye of the pure unalloyed spiritual self of the jiva. The form of Krsna is visible to that eye in proportion to its purification by the practice of devotion. WHEN THE DEVOTION OF THE NEOPHYTE REACHES THE STAGE OF BHAVA-BHAKTI THE PURE EYE OF > THAT DEVOTEE IS TINGED WITH THE SALVE OF LOVE BY THE GRACE OF KRSNA, WHICH ENABLES HIM TO SEE KRSNA FACE TO FACE. The phrase "in their hearts" means Krsna is visible in proportion as their hearts are purified by the practice of devotion. The sum and substance of this sloka is that the form of Krsna, who is Syamasundara, Natavara (Best Dancer), Muralidhara (Holder of the Flute) and Tribhanga (Triple-bending), is not a mental concoction but is transcendental, and is visible with the eye of the soul of the devotee under trance. > > Note: this is why Srila Prabhupada is warning these lusty devotees not to go power crazy pretending to give diksa(transcendental knowledge which the Uttama adhikari gives that enables one to realize his svarupa with Krishna).AND this is why Srila Prabhupada wanted the RITVIK system---to SAVE them from going to hell. > ACARYA receives VYASA-PUJA not neophyte (kanistha-adhikari).Neophytes > Photos are NOT put on alters either. > > 74-04-28 Letter: Rupanuga > You are right about Sridhara Maharaja's genuineness. But in my opinion > he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, at least he executes the regulative principles of devotional service. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. ALL ARE SATISFIED WITH A PLACE FOR RESIDENCE IN THE NAME OF A TEMPLE, THEY ENGAGE DISCIPLES TO GET FOODSTUFF BY TRANSCENDENTAL DEVICES AND EAT AND SLEEP. They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He never recommended anyone to be acarya of > the Gaudiya Math. BUT SRIDHARA MAHARAJA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DISOBEYING THIS ORDER OF GURU MAHARAJA, AND HE AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD > UNNECESSARILY THOUGHT THAT THERE MUST BE ONE ACARYA. IF GURU MAHARAJA COULD HAVE SEEN SOMEONE WHO WAS QUALIFIED AT THAT TIME TO BE ACARYA HE WOULD HAVE MENTIONED. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. HIS IDEA WAS ACARYA WAS NOT TO BE NOMINATED AMONGST THE GOVERNING BODY. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES,THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very > careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you > all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them. > > 761102SB.VRN Lectures > > So in order to know that science, one has to APPROACH A PERFECT TEACHER. Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet. Here also it is said, gurau hamsa. Hamse gurau mayi. The mayi is also significant. That means, PARAMAHAMSA GURU MEANS, HE'S AS GOOD AS THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. BECAUSE HE DOES NOT DEVIATE from the instructions of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is the symptom of guru. GURU DOES NOT DEVIATE FROM THE INSTRUCTION OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. > > > > Bg 4.42 P Transcendental Knowledge > > A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS IN THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION FROM TIME ETERNAL, AND HE DOES NOT DEVIATE AT ALL from the instructions of the Supreme Lord as they were imparted millions of years ago to the sun-god, from whom the instructions of Bhagavad-gita have come down to the earthly kingdom. One should, therefore, follow the path of Bhagavad-gita as it is expressed in the Gita itself and BEWARE OF SELF-INTERESTED PEOPLE AFTER PERSONAL AGGRANDIZEMENT WHO DEVIATE OTHERS FROM THE ACTUAL PATH. > > > > SB 10.4.20 P > > "A person acting in the service of Krsna with his body, mind and words IS A LIBERATED PERSON, EVEN WITHIN THE MATERIAL WORLD." (Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.187) Therefore, one is forbidden to regard the guru as an ordinary human being (gurusu nara-matir. .. naraki sah). THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, OR ACARYA, IS ALWAYS SITUATED IN THE SPIRITUAL STATUS OF LIFE. > > > > 69-06-10. Letter: Mukunda > > Your next question, whether the Spiritual Master was formerly a conditioned soul, ACTUALLY A BONAFIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS NEVER A CONDITIONED SOUL. > > > > 69-06-10. Letter: Mukunda > > You are correct when you say that when the Spiritual Master speaks it should be taken that Krishna is speaking. That is a fact. A SPIRITUAL MASTER MUST BE LIBERATED. > > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 5 > Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:48:20 +0100 > "Mahesh Raja" <mahesh.r > SATSVARUPA MAHARAJA'S NEXT BODY? > > > SATSVARUPA MAHARAJA'S NEXT BODY? > > SRILA PRABHUPADA APPEARS TO PREDICT THE OUT COME OF USURPING A PURE > BRAHMANAS PROPERTY(THE DISCIPLES, THE PROPERTY EVERYTHING BELONGS TO SRILA PRABHUPADA-THE PURE BRAHMANA). BUT SATSVARUPA MAHARAJA AND OTHERS HAVE FORCIBLY USURPED SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLES CLAIMING THEM AS THEIR "INITIATED DISCIPLES" ALTHOUGH THEY ARE UNABLE TO GIVE THEM DIKSA. 9TH JULY 1977 A LETTER INSTRUCTING THEM TO ACT AS RITVIKS WAS SIGNED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA BUT THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE TOTALLY DISREGARDED. > > HERE THE QUESTION IS RAISED: HOW DOES KRISHNA KNOW THE FUTURE OF A LIVING ENTITY? > 760603mw.la > Prabhupada: No, no. That means you do not know what is the independence. You can, you can change your position at any time. That is your independence. > Ramesvara: But doesn't Krsna know if I will do it? > Prabhupada: Yes, because you are independent. That is the meaning. > Ramesvara: Marginal. > Prabhupada: What will the.... That will depend on.... AND THE RESULT HE > KNOWS. JUST AS A LAWYER KNOWS THAT HE HAS DONE THIS, CRIMINAL, HE'LL BE > PUNISHED LIKE THIS. SO HIS POSITION TO KNOW THE FUTURE IS ALWAYS THERE. > Either in this condition or other condition. > Ramesvara: But the lawyer doesn't... > Prabhupada: Why Krsna? Everyone knows. Suppose you have got this body; NEXT BODY HE'S A DOG. I CAN SAY YOU'LL BARK. > Ramesvara: Yes. > PRABHUPADA: WHAT YOU'LL DO? THAT'S ALL. WHAT TO SPEAK OF KRSNA; I CAN SAY. > PUSTA KRSNA: THAT WAS SATSVARUPA'S QUESTION, SATSVARUPA MAHARAJA'S > QUESTION. > > SRILA PRABHUPADA APPEARS TO PREDICT HE WILL NOT MEET HIM IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD BECAUSE HE WILL DEVIATE AND NOT KEEP ASSOCIATION WITH HIM. > 68-09-20 Letter: Satsvarupa > Our relationship is eternal. But if somebody lags behind, SO IN SPITE OF OUR ETERNAL RELATIONSHIP ONE MAY NOT MEET OTHER AT THE DESTINATION. Just like a flock of birds--although very intimately related, everyone of them has to fly in the sky by individual strength. If one is less strong, the other cannot keep him in the sky. That is the law of nature. So long everyone of us is strong in Krishna Consciousness, there is no doubt, you can fly in the spiritual sky and meet together without failure. Therefore, individual strength is most important. And that individual strength is achieved in the association of devotees also. So you can make your own judgment. > > THE DEVIATION:HE KNOWS HE IS INCAPABLE TO GIVE DIKSA(SPIRITUAL INITIATION) TO A MADHYAMA ADHIKARI. ACCORDING TO NECTAR OF INSTRUCTION(ALSO SEE CC ANTYA 4.192-4.194) ONLY UTTAMA ADHIKARI (PRABHUPADA) IS FIT FOR GIVING THE DIKSA TO THE MADHYAMA ADHIKARI (WHICH ENABLES THE MADHYAM ADHIKARI TO ENTER INTO THE PASTIMES AND RELISH THE LOVING MELLOWS WITH KRISHNA). HE AND OTHERS ARE NOW ENGAGED IN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS. > Iso 12 > These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because > there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, which they conduct simply for sense gratification. > > KRISHNA WARNS NOT TO STEAL A PURE BRAHMANAS PROPERTY. > WHAT MISFORTUNE AWAITS THOSE WHO HAVE STOLEN SRILA PRABHUPADA'S PROPERTY, HIS > DISCIPLES. > KB 64 The Story of King Nrga > At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were > members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary > character of King Nrga, He said, "Even though a ksatriya king may be as > powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a > brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can > ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves as the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana's property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana's property. For ordinary poison there is treatment--one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the poison of taking a brahmana's property, there is no remedy for the mistake. > THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS KING NRGA. HE WAS VERY POWERFUL AND VERY PIOUS, BUT DUE TO THE SMALL MISTAKE OF UNKNOWINGLY USURPING A BRAHMANA'S COW, HE WAS CONDEMNED TO THE ABOMINABLE LIFE OF A LIZARD. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; BUT THE ARANI FIRE IGNITED BY THE SPIRITUAL POTENCY OF A BRAHMANA CAN BURN TO ASHES THE WHOLE FAMILY OF A PERSON WHO PROVOKES SUCH A BRAHMANA." (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) "IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA'S PROPERTY, HE IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA'S PROPERTY IS FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER'S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BECOME SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava, or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated." > Lord Krsna continued: "If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana's property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. THEREFORE I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT, EVEN BY MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE > ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE > REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A SERPENT GIVES TROUBLE TO ALL OTHER LIVING ENTITIES. My dear boys and > relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry > with you and calls you by ill names or curses you, still you should not > retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life." > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 6 > Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:14:48 +0200 > "Indira dasi" <indira > VANDANAM > > > > > Mangalacarana > > > vande'ham sri guroh sri-yuta-pada- > kamalam sri-gurun vaisnavams ca > sri rupam sagrajatam saha-gana- > raghunathanvitam tam sa-jivam > sadvaitam savadhutam parijana-sahitam > krsna-caitanya-devam > sri-radha-krsna-padan > saha-gana-lalita-sri-visakhanvitams ca > > > "I offer pranamas to the lotus feet of Sri Gurudeva (who includes sri diksa-guru and bhajana siksa-guru), guru-varga (our entire disciplic succession) and all other Vaisnavas, to Sri Rupa Gosvami, his elder brother Sri Sanatana Gosvami, Sri Raghunatha Dasa Gosvami, Jiva Gosvami and their associates, to Sri Advaita Prabhu, Sri Nityananda Prabhu, Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His associates, and to the lotus feet of Sri Radha and Krsna accompanied by Sri Lalita and Visakha and all the other sakhis." > > * > > > Sri Guru-pranama > > om ajnana timirandhasya jnananjana salakaya > caksur-unmilitam yena tasmai sri-guruve namah > > "O Gurudeva, you are so merciful. I offer my humble pranama to you and am praying from the core of my heart that, with the torchlight of divine knowledge, you open my eyes which have been blinded by the darkness of ignorance." > > * > > > Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami-vandana > > namah om visnupadaya radhikayai-priatmane > sri-srimad-bhaktivedanta narayana iti namine > > "I offer pranama to om visnupada Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja who is very dear to Srimati Radhika." > > > sri-krsna-lila-kathane sudaksam > audarya-madhurya gunais ca yuktam > varam varenyam purusam mahantam > narayanam tvam sirasa namami > > "Srila Narayana Maharaja is expert in describing krsna-lila. He is endowed with the qualities of magnanimity and sweetness, and he is the best of the great souls. Beause he is always relishing Krsna's sweetness, he is able to freely distribute that sweetness to others. I bow down and place my head at his lotus feet." > > > tridandinam bhakta-siromanim ca > sri-krsna padabja dhrtaika-hrdi > caitanya-lilamrta-sara saram > narayanam tvam satatam prapadye > > "Srila Narayana Maharaja, the crown-jewel of tridandi-sannyasis, always keeps in his heart the lotus feet of Radha and Krsna, especially when Krsna serves Srimati Radhika. He deeply meditates on Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and the internal reasons for His descent. I bow down to the lotus feet of Srila Narayana Maharaja who possesses innumerable transcendental qualities." > > > * > > > sri sri guru-gaurangau jayataha > > Sri Gaudiya Giti-Guccha > An unprecedented collection of devotional > poems, prayers, and songs > > composed under the guidance of > Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta > Narayana Maharaja > > Kesavji Gaudiya Math, Mathura (UP) > > > * > > Sri Paranama-gurudeva-pranama > > namah om visnupadaya acarya-simha-rupine > sri-srimad-bhakti prajnana kesava iti namine > atimartya-caritraya sva-sritananca-paline > jiva-duhkhe sadarttaya sri-nama-prema-dayine > > "I offer pranamas unto my [srila Narayana Maharaja's] most worshipable Parama-gurudeva, the lion-like acarya, jagad-guru om visnupada astottara-sata Sri Srimad Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharaja, who nurtures with extreme, divine affection as a parental guardian those who take shelter of him, who is always genuinely unhappy to see the suffering jivas who have turned away from Krsna, and who is bestowing upon them sri nama along with prema." > > * > > Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami-vandana > (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupada) > > nama om visnu-padaya krsna-presthaya bhutale > srimate bhaktivedanta-svamin iti namine > > "I offer pranama unto om visnupada Sri Srimad Bhaktivedata Svami, who is very dear to Krsna, having taken shelter at His lotus feet." > > > namas te sarasvate deve gaura-vani-pracarine > nirvisesa-sunyavadi-pascatya-desa-tarine > > "Our respectful obeisances unto you, O servant of Sarasvati Gosvami. You are kindly preaching the message of Gaurasundara [Lord Caitanya] and delivering the Western countries which are filled with impersonalism and voidism." > > * > > > Sri Vaisnava-vandana > > vancha-kalpatarubyas ca > krpa-sindhubhya eva ca > patitanam pavanebhyo > vaisnavebhyo namo namah > > "I offer pranamas unto the Vaisnavas who are just like desire trees, who are an ocean of mercy, and who deliver the fallen, conditioned souls." > > * > > Sriman Mahaprabhu-vandana > > namo maha-vadanyaya krsna-prema-pradaya te > krsnaya krsna-caitanya-namne gaura-tvise namah > > "I offer pranama unto Sri Krsna-Caitanya, who is Sri Krsna Himself. Having assumed the golden hue of Srimati Radhika, He is munificently bestowing that rare gift of krsna-prema." > > > * > > Sri Krsna-pranama > > he krsna! karuna-sindho! dina-bandho! jagat-pate! > gopesa! gopika-kanta! radha-kanta! namo'stu te > > "I offer my unlimited pranamas unto You, O Krsna! You are the ocean of mercy! Friend of the fallen! The Lord of creation! Master of the cowherd community! You are Gopi-kanta, beloved of gopis, and above all You are Radha-kanta, the beloved of Srimati Radhika!" > > > * > > Sri Radha-pranama > > tapta-kancana-gaurangi! radhe! vrndavanesvari! > vrsabhanu-sute! devi! pranamami hari-priye! > > "O Gaurangi, whose complexion is like molten gold! O Radhe! Queen of Vrndavana! O Daughter of Vrsabhanu Maharaja! O Devi! O dearmost of Hari! Pranamas unto You again and again!" > > * > > Sri Tulasi-pranama > > vrndayai tulasi devyai > priyayai kesavasya ca > krsna-bhakti-prade devi! > satyavatyai namo namah > > "I offer pranamas again and again to Tulasi-devi, who is most dear to Sri Krsna, and is also renowned as Vrnda-devi and Satyavati. O Devi! You are bestowing krsna-bhakti upon all!" > > * > > > Sri Panca-tattva-pranama > > panca-tattvatmakam krsnam > bhakta-rupa-svarupakam > bhaktavataram bhaktakyam > namami bhakta-saktikam > > "I offer pranama unto Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu in His five features as a bhakta, bhakta-rupa, bhakta-svarupa, bhakta-avatara, and bhakta-sakti." > > > > Sri Panca-tattva > > sri krsna-caitanya prabhu nityananda > sri advaita gadadhara > srivasadi-gaura-bhakta-vrnda > > > > Maha-mantra > > hare krsna hare krsna > krsna krsna hare hare > hare rama hare rama > rama rama hare hare > > > * > > > With love and devotion, > the servant of the servant > of the servant of Srimati Radhika > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 7 > Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:20:29 +0200 > "Indira dasi" <indira > SRI RADHA-KUNDASTKAM > > > > Sri Radha-Kundastakam > > by > > Srimad Raghunatha dasa Gosvami > > > > > > "After the killig of Aristasura, Srimati Radhika and Her sakhis exchanged many joking words with Sri Krsna concerning the necessary atonement for one who has committed the offence of killing a bull. As a result, the Queen of Vrndavana, Srimati Radhika, and Her sakhis joyfully excavated and filled Sri Radha-kunda with their own hands. May that immensely fragrant Radha-kunda be my shelter. > > * > > "In the land of the hearts of those who bathe in Radha-kunda, a desire tree of the superlative prema, which is not attainable even for Krsna's principal queens in Dvaraka, will arise. May that supremely charming Radha-kunda be my shelter. > > * > > "For the pleasure of Srimati Radhika, even Sri Krsna Himself, yearning to attain Her merciful sidelong glance, regularly bathes in Radha-kunda, carefully observing all the appropriate rituals. May that supremely enchanting Radha-kunda be my shelter. > > * > > "May that supremely enchanting Radha-kunda, which the moon of Vraja, Sri Krsna, loves as much as He loves the crown-jewel amongst the sweet girls of Vraja, Srimati Radhika, and which He has made known by the name of Radhika Herself, be my shelter. > > * > > "The mercy obtained by serving Radha-kunda makes the desire-creeper of prema for the prince of Vraja sprout and is celebrated for bearing the flower of service to my svamini Srimati Radhika. May that supremely charming Radha-kunda be my shelter. > > * > > "Gloriously manifest on the banks of Radha-kunda are eight kunjas named after Radhika's principal sakhis. Acting as stimuli for the amorous pastimes of the Divine Couple, these kunjas are filled with the sweet humming of bumblebees and are desired by everyone. May that supremely enchanting Radha-kunda be the shelter of my life. > > * > > "Situated on an exquisite dais on the bank of Radha-kunda and accompanied by Her beloved sakhis, our svamini Srimati Radhika charmingly engages in sweet, joking words with Sri Krsna, the moon of Vraja. These playful verbal exchanges are enhanced by the suggestion of so many innuendoes. May that Radha-kunda be the shelter of my life. > > * > > "May that very charming and especially fragrant Radha-kunda, where intoxicated with love the Divine Couple and the sakhis daily sport with great joy in the water so fragrant with exquisite lotus flowers, be the sole shelter of my life. > > * > > "To that devotee who, in a resolute mood of aspiring to serve Srimati Radhika, reads this charming prayer describing Sri Radha-kunda, even in their present body Sri Krsna will quickly grant them darsana of not only His beloved Radhika, but also of Their many variegated amorous pastimes. Witnessing these pastimes and envisioning himself serving Yugala-kisora in various ways, such a devotee will feel immense jubilation. This astaka is recited in the poetic meter known as 'Malini'." > > > ******************************************************************* > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > ******************************************************************* > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 8 > Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:53:16 +0200 > "Indira dasi" <indira > SRILA PRABHUPADA > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 9 > Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:20:49 +0200 > "Indira dasi" <indira > LORD CAITANYA > > > Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu > > 1486 - 1534 > > The last (hidden) Incarnation of Sri Krsna > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 10 > Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:31:31 +0200 > "Indira dasi" <indira > SRILA NARAYANA MAHARAJA > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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