THE "IT'S OFFENSIVE" BANDWAGON

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THE "IT'S OFFENSIVE" BANDWAGONIt has become the norm in

Iskcon to use this catch phrase "Its offensive".But devotees are realising this

as someone who has something to hide. In association with this there are other

similar words like "he's senior". "Who's your authority?"THESE are means of

GAGGING. These techniques have been used artfully toprevent the hidden agenda

that a person has from making it known to thepublic.For Instance (770428rc.bom)

Prabhupada has said :Prabhupada: You take prasadam. But why salary? Where is the

question ofsalary? Where is vairagya, renouncement? So in all circumstances the

salary process should be STOPPED. One who wants salary, he can work outside.Its

an open secret that paying huge salaries to temple presidents and other key

members is now current and in return they arrange for the smooth function of

the "guru"-franchise.If anybody should oppose this arrangement then you are

confronted with "Its offensive" and if all fails then you are banned from the

temple---yes! You cannot go take darshan of Sri Sri Radha Krishna.You cannot

also get Srila Prabhupada's books for distribution. Why should anyone be

prevented to discuss the guru issue openly? At least this is what Srila

Prabhupada wants (unless of course it spoils the "guru"-franchise and the

salary business).76-09-22. AyodhyapatiYour siddhanta is correct to the sastra

and in this way go on reading books and have the correct perception and Krsna

will help you. siddhanta baliya citte na kara alasa iha haite krsna lage

sudrdha manasa. A SINCERE STUDENT SHOULD NOT NEGLECT THE DISCUSSION OF SUCH

CONCLUSIONS, CONSIDERING THEM CONTROVERSIAL, FOR SUCH DISCUSSIONS SRENGTHEN THE

MIND. THUS ONE'S MIND BECOMES ATTACHED TO SRI KRSNA.YOU SHOULD BE ALWAYS ALERT

IN UNDERSTANDING THE SASTRIC CONCLUSIONS THAT WILL HELP YOU, OTHERWISE WE CAN

BE MISLED BY BOGUS PHILOSOPHIES. I am very pleased that you are studying the

books. This will make you happy and successful.BTG-Delhi March 1956(Pioneer

Years page 75)We have to DEFEAT TRYANY ON THE REALM OF THOUGHT, and CREATE A

WILL FORWORLD PEACE.DEMANDING RESPECT AND DOING EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY ARE

DEMONIAC QUALITIESChapter 16 Text 4dambho darpo 'bhimanas cakrodhah parusyam

eva caajnanam cabhijatasyapartha sampadam asurimTRANSLATIONArrogance, pride,

anger, conceit, harshness and ignorance--thesequalities belong to those of

demoniac nature, O son of Prtha.PURPORTIn this verse, THE ROYAL ROAD TO HELL IS

DESCRIBED. THE DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN

SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES. They are always

arrogant and proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. THEY

DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO

NOT COMMAND RESPECT. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not

gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. THEY

DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND THEY DO NOT

RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY. These demoniac qualities are taken on by them from the

beginning of their bodies in the wombs of their mothers, and as they grow they

manifest all these inauspicious qualities.SENIOR IN KNOWLEDGESB 6.7.33 The

demigods continued: Do not fear criticism for being younger than us. Such

etiquette does not apply in regard to Vedic mantras. EXCEPT INRELATIONSHIP TO

VEDIC MANTRAS, SENIORITY IS DETERMINED BY AGE, BUT ONE MAY OFFER RESPECTFUL

OBEISANCES EVEN TO A YOUNGER PERSON WHO IS ADVANCED IN CHANTING VEDIC MANTRAS.

Therefore although you are junior in relationship to us, you may become our

priest without hesitation.PURPORTIt is said, vrddhatvam vayasa vina: one may be

senior without beingadvanced in age. EVEN IF ONE IS NOT OLD, ONE GAINS SENIORITY

IF HE ISSENIOR IN KNOWLEDGE. Visvarupa was junior in relationship to the

demigods because he was their nephew, but the demigods wanted to accept him as

their priest, and therefore he would have to accept obeisances from them. The

demigods explained that this should not be a cause for hesitation; he could

become their priest because he was advanced in Vedic knowledge.AUTHORITY:

AVYAKTA-MARGA-VIT (SRILA PRABHUPADA)SB 3.20.9 Conversation Between Maitreya and

ViduraVidura said: Since you know of matters inconceivable to us, tell me, Oholy

sage, what did Brahma do to create living beings after evolving the Prajapatis,

the progenitors of living beings?PURPORTSignificant here is the word

avyakta-marga-vit, "ONE WHO KNOWS THAT WHICH IS BEYOND OUR PERCEPTION." To know

matters beyond one's perception, one has to learn from a superior authority in

the line of disciplic succession. Just to know who is our father is beyond our

perception. For that, the mother is the authority. Similarly, we have to

understand everything beyond our perception from the authority who actually

knows. The first avyakta-marga-vit, or authority, is Brahma, and the next

authority in disciplic succession is Narada. Maitreya Rsi belongs to that

disciplic succession, so he also is avyakta-marga-vit. ANYONE IN THE BONA FIDE

LINE OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION IS AVYAKTA-MARGA-VIT, A PERSONALITY WHO KNOWS THAT

WHICH IS BEYOND ORDINARY PERCEPTION.Note: After looking at all these quotes FROM

SRILA PRABHUPADA who in his right mind would want to concoct and maintain a self

made 2/3 majority votes guru system with supportive paypackets for key men?

Avyakta-marga-vit personality's words are QUOTED as AUTHORITY because Krishna

speaks through them. Prabhupada(Uttama-adhikari) is able to GIVE spiritual

initiation (DIKSA) to the Madhyama adhikari (who relishes LOVING MELLOWS with

Krishna) when the holy name is chanted offenselessly(see Antya4.192-194).

Prabhupada said its folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss: so if we were to

show these devotees quotes FROM HIS DIVINE GRACE PRABHUPADA that he is warning

these so called gurus to go to hell (Isopasisad 12) please step down and SAVE

YOURSELVES NOW! they will be angry. Bhagavad gita says when lust ischecked

anger arises.SB 7.8.11 It is said in Hitopadesa, upadeso hi murkhanam prokopaya

na santaye. IFGOOD INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN TO A FOOLISH PERSON, HE DOES NOT TAKE

ADVANTAGE OF THEM, BUT BECOMES MORE AND MORE ANGRY. Prahlada Maharaja's

authorized instructions to his father were not accepted by Hiranyakasipu as

truth; instead Hiranyakasipu became increasingly angry at his great son, who

was a pure devotee. THIS KIND OF DIFFICULTY ALWAYS EXISTS WHEN A DEVOTEE

PREACHES KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS TO PERSONS LIKE HIRANYAKASIPU, WHO ARE INTERESTED

IN MONEY AND WOMEN.Note: Prabhupada was also similarly poisoned because they

could NOT accept the fact that they were not DIKSA ACARYA. Is it not? Anger

they were not Acarya leads to loss of memory next stage is bewilderment(does

not think this is Srila Prabhupada our beloved how can poison be given to

him).HELL---(Isopanisad 12) Spiritual master business activity that leads to

it. BG 10.4-5SATYAM, TRUTHFULNESS, MEANS THAT FACTS SHOULD BE PRESENTED AS THEY

ARE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to

social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is

palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. THE TRUTH SHOULD BE SPOKEN

IN A STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY, SO THAT OTHERS WILL UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY WHAT THE

FACTS ARE. If a man is a thief and if people are warned that he is a thief,

that is truth. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT

REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS

THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OFTRUTH.PRABHUPADA

IS MAHA-BHAGAVATA WHO IS DELIVERING US!Madhya 24.330

MAHA-BHAGAVATA-SRESTHObrahmano vai gurur nrnamsarvesam eva lokanamasau pujyo

yatha harihThe guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional

service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted

from the topmost class. Madhya 24.330When one has attained the TOPMOST POSITION

OF MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like

Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE

POST OF A GURU.ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAD SIKSA AND DIKSA GURU SRILA

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