THEY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY SALARY. THAT IS VERY BAD. THIS IS AGAINST PRINCIPLE

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THEY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY SALARY. THAT IS VERY BAD. THIS IS AGAINST PRINCIPLE.

Srila Prabhupada wanted a BRAHMANICAL system in ISKCON but the so called Srila

Prabhupada disciples have made it a SUDRA institution by paying hugh salaries to

key men such as Temple presidents. Another hidden agenda is ----they have opened

up charities under different names---the sole purpose being to EXPLOIT the

society ---TAX FREE. Many so called devotees OWN a few houses , BIG bank

balances , nice cars.

 

Conversation: Vairagya, Salaries, and Political Etiquette

April 28, 1977, Bombay

 

Prabhupada: Niskincanasya. One who has decided that "This world is useless. I

have to take birth repeatedly and accept different types of bodies and suffer."

Body means... Those who have understood this fact and disgusted, so bhakti line

is for them. One who has the tendency to enjoy this material world, and they

are taking advantage of God, "Give me good wife, give me good work, good meal,

good enjoyment," they are not in the bhakti line. They are in the very nascent

stage.

Tamala Krsna: Nescient stage?

Prabhupada: Lower stage. Vairagya-vidya-nija-bhakti-yogam. That... There is one

verse written by Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya. What page I don't... Siksartham. The

bhakti-yoga, nija-bhakti-yoga... Bhakti-yoga means devotion to Krsna. And that

is vairagya-vidya, how to learn, renounce this world. Otherwise why Caitanya

Mahaprabhu gave up His grhastha life? He's the same person. Why Rupa Gosvami

gave up their ministership? By their personal behavior they are showing this is

not required. This is vairagya-vidya. So under the circumstances, those who have

no vairagya, they cannot live in the temple. They are taking advantage of the

temple facilities for their sense enjoyment. Do you understand?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, I do.

Prabhupada: So that should be stopped. So to live with wife, together as a

grhastha, and enjoy grhastha life, at the same time to live in temple, this

should be discouraged. Temple is meant for brahmacari and sannyasi, our,

mainly, not for grhastha, because they have got inclination to enjoy. To live

with wife means enjoyment. They'll have sex. This should be discouraged. But

one who is absolutely required, they also cannot be allowed to live together.

It is badly done(?). Suppose if one is grhastha, he is in devotional service,

but he has no money to look after his wife. In that case the wife can live in

the temple but separately with women, not together. Together living is very

disturbing. It is not at all recommended. Give this point. At least, this

should not be encouraged.

Tamala Krsna: Generally in our temples, within the temple building no grhasthas

live together, but in the temple compound, that is to say, around the temple,

there may be other buildings. There they live together. But it's...

Prabhupada: No, I am speaking, within the temple.

Tamala Krsna: I think practically all over the society that has been stopped,

the grhastha living together with wife. I don't think there's any case like

that. But in the adjoining buildings they might be...

Prabhupada: Adjoining buildings... But the temple should not provide them with

salary to enjoy their life. That is same thing.

Tamala Krsna: Generally the temples are providing them with apartments, like that.

Prabhupada: But that is temple.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah.

Prabhupada: Just like we have got so many tenants. They are living in their own.

But they have no connection with the temple, neither the temple is paying them

or... No, they are earning their own way.

Tamala Krsna: In other words, if the temple provides an apartment, it's the same as paying a salary.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Tamala Krsna: In other words, giving an apartment is the same thing as providing a salary.

Prabhupada: All right, apartment can be... But what is this? They are given high

salary. Because his service is essential--"All right, you take apartment."

Tamala Krsna: But not...

Prabhupada: YOU TAKE PRASADAM. BUT WHY SALARY? WHERE IS THE QUESTION OF SALARY?

WHERE IS VAIRAGYA, RENOUNCEMENT? SO IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES THE SALARY PROCESS

SHOULD BE STOPPED. ONE WHO WANTS SALARY, HE CAN WORK OUTSIDE.

Tamala Krsna: Actually, even if you don't give a salary, if you give an

apartment and you give food and you give all these other things for someone to

maintain his household life...

Prabhupada: Because his service is essential.

Tamala Krsna: But that has to be determined very strictly.

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Whether his service is absolutely required? So you give him.

Tamala Krsna: That is the factor. That point must be clearly acknowledged.

Prabhupada: Hm hm. So he's trying to practice... Because sevonmukhe, if he gives

service, then gradually he'll renounce. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva

sphuraty adah. God realization means service. The more you give service to the

Lord, the more you become advanced in devotional... So one who is giving

service, dedicated life, so maybe... But no salary. They may live in the

temple, woman separate, man separate.

Tamala Krsna: They're... But the actual thing is that they're being, living

together in an apartment, and the temple is paying for that apartment. They're

not living separately in the temple. They're being...

Prabhupada: That is to be discouraged. What do you think?

Giriraja: I agree.

Prabhupada: In Los Angeles it is very freely going on. In the name of Vaisnavism

they are drawing salary, living comfortably, having sense enjoyment. This is not

good, not at all. So you all high officers, you think over it and do the

needful.

Tamala Krsna: Vairagya should be cultivated.

Prabhupada: Vairagya... Caitanya Mahaprabhu says clearly that niskincanasya

bhagavad-bhajanonmukhasya. The bhagavad-bhajana, to become devotee of the Lord,

means he's disgusted with this material world. For him, bhagavad-bhajana. Just

like if I become disgusted with something, I require some change, similarly,

bhagavad-bhajana is for him who is absolutely disgusted with this material

world. And anyone who has got little interest in material enjoyment, he's not

fit for bhagavad-bhajana. He'll have to accept again this material body, either

he becomes Brahma or becomes an ant in the stool, according to his karma.

Karmana daiva-netrena jantur deha-upapattaye. He'll have to develop certain

type of body according to his desire of enjoyment. This is nature's law. Then

where is the question of going back to home, back to Godhead? Why so many

varieties of life? There is Brahma, and there is ant in the stool. So

vairagya-vidya-nija... Vasudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogah prayojitah, janayaty asu

vairagyam. And vairagyam means jnanam ca. When one is in full knowledge that "To

remain in this material world is useless for me"--jnanam--"I am simply wasting

my time by repetition of birth and death," then he can have vairagya. "Stop

this!" If this sense is not awakened, there is no bhakti. It is not so easy.

Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati. That is vairagya. So

vairagya-vidya... Otherwise why big, big persons, they renounced everything?

Bharata Maharaja, young man, the emperor of the whole world, gave up

everything. Caitanya Mahaprabhu personally teaches, young man, good, beautiful

wife, young wife, so affectionate mother, so much honor in the society, Nimai

Pandita, so beautiful body... Tyaktva sudustyaja-surepsita-rajya-laksmim.

Surepsita. Caitanya Mahaprabhu's position was, even the demigods, they desired

such family life. But He still gave up. That is teaching. Therefore Sarvabhauma

Bhattacarya says, vairagya-vidya-nija-bhak..., siksartham: "to teach others." He

understood that in order to teach others vairagya-vidya... He is the Supreme

Person. Vairagya-vidya-nija-bhakti-yoga-siksartham ekah purana-purusah: "That

He was, Supreme Lord. Now He has appeared as Sri Krsna Caitanya."Sarira-dhari:

"He has accepted one body as Sri Krsna Caitanya." So these things should be

stopped, that they should live comfortably with husband and wife, children, and

take salary from the... You decide. This is not to our... Besides that, in our

BBT it is clearly written that "Fifty percent for printing book, and fifty

percent for..." SO YOU CANNOT VIOLATE THIS. THOSE WHO CAN GIVE VOLUNTARY

SERVICE, "WELCOME." OTHERWISE WE DON'T REQUIRE. AT LEAST THEY SHOULD NOT BE

GIVEN ANY SALARY. THAT IS VERY BAD. THIS IS AGAINST PRINCIPLE.

Tamala Krsna: I was reading the life sketch of Bhaktivinoda Thakura. He always

maintained a government service job, and still...

Prabhupada: He gave so much service to Krsna. From his family maintenance... He

could have renounced, but he said that the family has to be maintained. So

he... Markata-vairagya. Bhaktivinoda Thakura was against giving sannyasa. He

didn't like these babajis. They were markata-vairagya, superficially...

Markata-vairagya means monkey. They live naked, eat fruits, live in the jungle.

That is vairagya. But three dozen wives. Markata-vairagya. Markata means monkey.

Superficially vairagya, naga-baba. They eat vegetables, fruits, live in the

jungle, no house, or, all, everything like vairagya. But sex. We have... I have

seen in Vrndavana. They have got a party, each monkey, women's party, and the

male will come to any female, "Now ready,Enter." You can see it.

Markata-vairagya nahi paraloka dasaya(?).So this should not be encouraged. Then

gradually it will deteriorate into...

Tamala Krsna: The Christians had that happen to them.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Tamala Krsna: The Christian religion had that deterioration. Everything

deteriorated more and more into sense gratification.

Prabhupada: Because they have no valid philosophy. It is simply official. They

have nothing, no knowledge, no nothing, simply that dress and cloth. That's

all.

Tamala Krsna: Just like the original... When Jesus was there and he had twelve

disciples, they simply gave up everything and traveled with him and tried to

preach. So they were renunciates, living simply whatever they could take,

nothing more, and devoting their lives to God. But the followers later on, more

and more they added the degree of sense gratification, till now you can't see

any renunciation at all within their order.

Prabhupada: No, they are drinking. They are having homosex. They are encouraging

homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know that? This is going on. Doing

everything nonsense.

Giriraja: Actually their leader...

Prabhupada: And they are concluding that they cannot stop committing sins and

Jesus Christ will take account for them. Therefore it is very good religion,

that "We can do whatever nonsense we like, and if we keep our faith in Jesus

Christ, then we are saved." Papa-buddhih, namno balad papa-buddhih. Great

offenders. So what news?

Giriraja: Well, the reason I came up is I'm going to try to phone Mr. Rajda now.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Giriraja: Going to try to phone Mr. Rajda. And considering that the Prime

Minister may not have that much time... We had discussed that he should come

here to meet you, but suppose if we fix up, say, a minimum time if he can't

come here, say at least a half hour undisturbed, something like that, is it

possible to fix in the city or we should just insist that...

Prabhupada: Hm?

Tamala Krsna: He's suggesting that if the Prime Minister can't give that much

time, whether you would go to see him? Actually, if you give the idea that

Prabhupada wants to see him in the morning hours...

Giriraja: Yeah, I'm going to.

Tamala Krsna: I mean, if he says that that's not possible...

Prabhupada: That is not respectful.

Giriraja: No.

Tamala Krsna: Not at all respectful.

Prabhupada: Then he does not know how to honor a saintly person. It is useless

to meet him. If he has no respect for saintly person, if he thinks greater than

saintly person, then he's useless.

Tamala Krsna: Then nothing will come of it, anyway. And if we give this

opportunity, that he come in the morning, if he...

Prabhupada: No, no, apart from that, if he has got that sense, that "I am very

big man, so everyone should come here," he's useless. We cannot do anything

with him.

Giriraja: That's what I thought.

Prabhupada: Very beginning is...

Giriraja: On the wrong foot.

Tamala Krsna: No, he has to come to see you, Srila Prabhupada. Oh, there's so

many examples in the sastra of great personalities.

Prabhupada: Even Caitanya Mahaprabhu refused to see, what to speak of going there.

Giriraja: I agree with you.

Prabhupada: Even big, big kings, Akbar, Mansingh, they used to, used to come to Rupa Gosvami.

Giriraja: No, I agree with you completely.

Prabhupada: Did... He demanded like that?

Giriraja: No. When I spoke to Mr. Rajda I said that the Prime Minister should

come here, and Mr. Rajda agreed. But just now, when I... I just spoke to

Gopala. I was on my way to make the call. So he said that I should just ask you

about this.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Giriraja: I was just going to phone, and I mentioned to Gopala Krsna Prabhu that

I was going to make this call. So I said that, you know, the Prime Minister was

going to be coming here, so he... And I said that I also, in the call I wanted

to make that very clear so there was no mistake. And he said that, well, he

might be too busy to come here and that he...

Prabhupada: Gopala said.

Giriraja: Yeah. So I thought it would be better just to...

Prabhupada: No, there is no question of.

Giriraja: Yeah. No, I agree completely. I mean, you're millions and billions of

times greater than anyone, so there's no question...

Prabhupada: No, apart from that, if one has no proper respect for a saintly

person, he's useless man. You cannot have any benefit. Or neither he can derive

any benefit.

Giriraja: Yeah.

Tamala Krsna: From all sides.

Giriraja: Because he'll think he has nothing to learn, that he is already in the best position.

Prabhupada: And we don't require any from, anything from them, but for the whole

human society's welfare we can suggest him, "Do like this." That is our... But

we don't require anything from them.

Giriraja: I know that. This is your...

Prabhupada: Of course, sometimes we are in difficulty. We ask them something.

Tamala Krsna: But that's their duty, anyway. Ksatriyas should provide protection

for the saintly person.

Giriraja: Anyway, our real protector is Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Giriraja: He has... Because we've seen so many difficulties. Nobody could see any solution, but...

Prabhupada: That one Caitanya Mahaprabhu's devotee was ordered to be hanged.

Giriraja: I didn't know that.

Prabhupada: Gopinatha Pattanayaka.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah.

Prabhupada: All the devotees approached Caitanya Mahaprabhu, thinking that "He

must... The king will excuse him." He never agreed. "Oh, I cannot do that. If

he has done something wrong, then let him..." Of course, he was saved and

protected by Caitanya Mahaprabhu's good wish, but He never agreed. These are

some of the examples that... Simply depend on Krsna. But if they are actually

respectful, we can ask them. There is... But if it is difficult job...

Visayinam sandarsanam atha yosit... We cannot keep so strictly, but these are

the principles taught by Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Giriraja: So that principle about living together and salary...

Prabhupada: That is...

Giriraja: That is meant to apply everywhere in the society.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. This is exploitation of the society.

Giriraja: I know. Since I've been preaching more, I've been able to see how much

labor and endeavor is going in just to maintain so many idle people. I know

you've been saying this for a long time, and now, you know, I feel the strength

to actually change that, that only those who are really sincere workers can

stay.

Prabhupada: OTHERWISE NO NEED. WE NEED THEIR SERVICE, BUT NOT BY BEING SALARIED.

THAT IS NOT GOOD. (end)

 

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But they do not know. They want that "I shall go at ten o'clock in the

office, and I shall do nothing. Simply I shall take the pen and make like this

and take my salary." That's all. Cheating. This is going on. Therefore the

whole system is polluted. Nobody's doing his duty. Catur-varnyam maya srstam

guna-karma... According to one's quality, one must work. But nobody wants to

work. So therefore they are sudras. They are working, but at the care of

somebody else. Not independently. Now the school, college, the teacher is also

depending on salary. So they are sudras. So what teaching they will give?

TEACHING IS THE BUSINESS OF THE BRAHMANA. NO SALARY.

 

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Your American embassy is also there. So he was a great politician. But still,

he was living in a cottage. He was not accepting any salary because he was

brahmana. BRAHMANA CANNOT ACCEPT ANY SALARY. Just like you have accepted me as

your acarya, but you do not pay me any salary. This is forbidden. The teacher

will not accept salary. Then he comes down to the sudra platform. The sudra

accepts salary. "I serve you, you pay me." And the brahmana will distribute

knowledge freely, and the ksatriya will give protection to the brahmana. This

is the system of Vedic system.

 

75-07-16.Par Letter: Paramahamsa:

Regarding the restaurant, why they should get salary? THERE SHOULD BE NO

SALARY. You are working without salary, so why they should take. They are not

very important men. So after this month arrange for no one to get any salary

there. That will be nice.

 

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Prabhupada: So this Canakya Pandita was a great politician and brahmana. And as

brahmana, he was vastly learned. He has got some moral instruction. They're

very valuable, still going on. In India school children are taught. So this

Canakya Pandita, although he was prime minister, he maintained his brahminical

spirit. HE WAS NOT ACCEPTING ANY SALARY, YES, BECAUSE FOR BRAHMANAS TO ACCEPT

SALARY, IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT HE BECOMES A DOG.

 

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Bhagavan: Yes. No one is getting any salary here, they are just working and taking...

Prabhupada: YES, THAT'S ALL. WHY SALARY? KRSNA'S SERVANT. WE ARE ETERNAL

SERVANT. THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF OUR INSTITUTION. WE HAVE NO HIRED MEN. UNLESS

ONE IS SINCERE, WHY HE'LL WORK? What is the time now?