RE: [world-vedic] --in fact, such reading may be detrimental to their advancement in Krishna Consciousness.(Srila Prabhupada)

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Pranam!!!! Prabhupada ki jay!!!!! My dear Vrindavan dasa. Regarding of the

letter from this fundamentalist rikvik antihindu-parampara man the such

Mahes (better Mahater). Let sincerely inform to the public, that My Guru is

very open for hear healthy criticism from any educed vaisnava about his

translation. Therefore, there is no necessity of put afward derogative,

derive additives. It is a proof of the unprofesional and unsane actitud. My

challenge for gross people like our Mahater character is: the day when he

can be like our Guru, that he has almost 30 years of sannyasi, when he had

24 years gived up one young a pretty wife for the sake of Lor Caitanya

mission and remained fix in bramacarya vow. Also he opened 24 temples in

less o two years in Latinamerica, and translate and distribute millions of

Prabhupadas books, some time he did not sleep for translation. And also with

only very few knowledge of Sanskrit hi learned in very soon time and

dominate the devanagari and translate the II XIII cantos in only tow years.

This is a formidable task.

Mr Mahater can make stupid and superficial, uneducated, derides.

If he is right, it is our challenge. We want see that he tralate the same

SB. and be 30 years sannyasi like him, Okey??.

For last, I do not recommend to any body make public derogative insults to

our Gurumharaja, because many of my Godbrothers are professional soldiers

and they are very intolerant and fanatics. Therefore they are ready for use

his warskill against to any body that make unsulti like that. So please don

't send me any more, any letters from this fool guy. Never, never,

never!!!!!!!!!!!

your servant

Hare Krsna Das

priest of Radha -Govinda Mandir

Student of U. A. de C

Saltillo Mexico

 

De: Mahesh Raja <mahesh.r

Para: vediculture <vediculture>

Fecha: Martes 6 de Febrero de 2001 1:56 AM

Asunto: [world-vedic] --in fact, such reading may be detrimental to their

advancement in Krishna Consciousness.(Srila Prabhupada)

 

 

>--in fact, such reading may be detrimental to their advancement in Krishna

>Consciousness.(Srila Prabhupada)

>

>72-01-20. Letter: Sri Govinda

> There is no need by any of my disciples to read any books besides my

>books--in fact, such reading may be detrimental to their advancement in

>Krishna Consciousness.

>

>The following is a practical analysis of Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.2.45)

>purport composed by a conditioned soul Hridayananda das "goswami".

>

>"Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti Thakura also points out in his commentary,

>atra pasyed iti darsana-yogyataiva vivaksita, na tu tatha darsanasya

>sarva-kalikata. "in this verse the word pasyet, or " one must see," does

not

>mean that at every moment one is visualizing the form of Krsna; rather, it

>means that one has reached the exalted platform of devotional service on

>which he is fit to see or is capable of seeing Krsna's form." If only those

>who constantly see the form of Krsna are to be considered uttama-adhikaris,

>then Narada, Vyasa and Sukadeva cannot be considered topmost devotees,

since

>they do not always see the Lord everywhere. Of course, Narada, Vyasa and

>Sukadeva are considered to be on the highest standard of pure devotional

>service, and therefore the real qualification is tad-didrksadhikya, or

>having overwhelming desire to to see the Lord."

>

>POINT 1

>Uttama-adhikaris who are topmost devotees are the only ones who can

>constantly see the form of the Lord.

>

>POINT 2

>Mental Speculation from Hridayananda das "goswami":

> "If only those who constantly see the form of Krsna are to be considered

>uttama-adhikaris, then Narada, Vyasa and Sukadeva cannot be considered

>topmost devotees, since they do not always see the Lord everywhere."

>

>POINT 1-we ALL agree.

>4.12.11 P Dhruva Maharaja Goes Back to Godhead

> Not only did Dhruva Maharaja perform many sacrifices, but he carried on

>his transcendental occupation of engagement in the devotional service of

the

>Lord. The ordinary karmis, who want to enjoy the results of fruitive

>activities, are concerned only with sacrifices and ritualistic ceremonies

as

>enjoined in the Vedic sastras. Although Dhruva Maharaja performed many

>sacrifices in order to be an exemplary king, he was constantly engaged in

>devotional service. The Lord always protects His surrendered devotee. A

>devotee can see that the Lord is situated in everyone's heart, as stated in

>the Bhagavad-gita (isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati).

>Ordinary persons cannot understand how the Supreme Lord is situated in

>everyone's heart, but a devotee can actually see Him. Not only can the

>devotee see Him outwardly, but he can see, with spiritual vision, that

>everything is resting in the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as described

in

>Bhagavad-gita (mat-sthani sarva-bhutani). THAT IS THE VISION OF A

>MAHA-BHAGAVATA. HE SEES EVERYTHING OTHERS SEE, BUT INSTEAD OF SEEING MERELY

>THE TREES, THE MOUNTAINS, THE CITIES OR THE SKY, HE SEES ONLY HIS

>WORSHIPABLE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IN EVERYTHING BECAUSE EVERYTHING

>IS RESTING IN HIM ONLY. THIS IS THE VISION OF THE MAHA-BHAGAVATA. IN

>SUMMARY, A MAHA-BHAGAVATA, A HIGHLY ELEVATED PURE DEVOTEE, SEES THE LORD

>EVERYWHERE, AS WELL AS WITHIN THE HEART OF EVERYONE. THIS IS POSSIBLE FOR

>DEVOTEES WHO HAVE DEVELOPED ELEVATED DEVOTIONAL SERVICE TO THE LORD. AS

>STATED IN THE BRAHMA-SAMHITA (5.38), PREMANJANA-CCHURITA-BHAKTI-VILOCANENA:

>ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE SMEARED THEIR EYES WITH THE OINTMENT OF LOVE OF GODHEAD

>CAN SEE EVERYWHERE THE SUPREME LORD FACE TO FACE; IT IS NOT POSSIBLE BY

>IMAGINATION OR SO-CALLED MEDITATION.

>

>SB 9.9.44 P The Dynasty of Amsuman

> "The maha-bhagavata, the advanced devotee, certainly sees everything

>mobile and immobile, but he does not exactly see their forms. RATHER,

>EVERYWHERE HE IMMEDIATELY SEES MANIFEST THE FORM OF THE SUPREME LORD.

>

>SB 3.14.48 S Pregnancy of Diti in the Evening

> sah--he; vai--certainly; maha-bhagavatah--the topmost devotee;

>

>POINT 2 We TOTALLY disagree.

>

>.SB 7.1.27 P The Supreme Lord Is Equal to Everyone

> Sriman Narada Muni, the TOPMOST PURE DEVOTEE, praises Krsna's enemies

>like Sisupala because their minds are always completely absorbed in Krsna

>.

> SB 1.18.16 P Maharaja Pariksit Cursed by a Brahmana Boy

> There is some controversy amongst the students on the path of

liberation.

>Such transcendental students are known as impersonalists and devotees of

the

>Lord. The devotee of the Lord worships the transcendental form of the Lord,

>whereas the impersonalist meditates upon the glaring effulgence, or the

>bodily rays of the Lord, known as the brahmajyoti. Here in this verse it is

>said that Maharaja Pariksit attained the lotus feet of the Lord by

>instructions in knowledge delivered by the son of Vyasadeva, Srila Sukadeva

>Gosvami. SUKADEVA GOSVAMI WAS ALSO AN IMPERSONALIST IN THE BEGINNING, AS HE

>HIMSELF HAS ADMITTED IN THE BHAGAVATAM (2.1.9), BUT LATER ON HE WAS

>ATTRACTED BY THE TRANSCENDENTAL PASTIMES OF THE LORD AND THUS BECAME A

>DEVOTEE. SUCH DEVOTEES WITH PERFECT KNOWLEDGE ARE CALLED MAHA-BHAGAVATAS,

OR

>FIRST-CLASS DEVOTEES. There are three classes of devotees, namely the

>prakrta, madhyama, and maha-bhagavata. The prakrta, or third-class

devotees,

>are temple worshipers without specific knowledge of the Lord and the Lord's

>devotees. The madhyama, or the second-class devotee, knows well the Lord,

>the Lord's devotees, the neophytes, and the nondevotees also. But the

>maha-bhagavata, or the first-class devotee, sees everything in relation

with

>the Lord and the Lord present in everyone's relation. The maha-bhagavata,

>therefore, does not make any distinction, particularly between a devotee

and

>nondevotee. MAHARAJA PARIKSIT WAS SUCH A MAHA-BHAGAVATA DEVOTEE BECAUSE HE

>WAS INITIATED BY A MAHA-BHAGAVATA DEVOTEE, SUKADEVA GOSVAMI.

>

>

>SB 1.3.40 Krsna Is the Source of All Incarnations

> This Srimad-Bhagavatam is the literary incarnation of God, and IT IS

>COMPILED BY SRILA VYASADEVA, THE INCARNATION OF GOD. It is meant for the

>ultimate good of all people, and it is all-successful, all-blissful and

>all-perfect.

>

>Hirdayananda das "Goswami" states Vyasadeva ---who is INCARNATION OF GOD is

>not Uttama adhikari.

>Just see this nonsense word jugglery written by him.

>

>Narada Muni has accepted Vyasadeva as his Guru and Srila Prabhupada states

>clearly the Guru MUST BE SITUATED ON THE TOPMOST PLATFORM OF DEVOTIONAL

>SERVICE. And the words used are

>MAHA-BHAGAVATA-SRESTHO

>

>Hridayananda das "Goswami" has stated "If only those who constantly see the

>form of Krsna are to be considered uttama-adhikaris, then Narada, Vyasa and

>Sukadeva cannot be considered topmost devotees, since they do not always

see

>the Lord everywhere."

>

>Since according to scriptural authority the Guru is MAHA-BHAGAVATA-SRESTHO

a

>Mahabhagavat (topmost devotee) Vyasadeva has NOT made a mistake by

accepting

>Narada muni as his Mahabhagavata Guru. This is the correct conclusion.

>Hridayananda das "goswami's" conclusion to suggest otherwise is not only

>faulty but also blaspheme against these Mahabhagavata devotees of the Lord.

>

>Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse

> MAHA-BHAGAVATA-SRESTHO

> brahmano vai gurur nrnam

> sarvesam eva lokanam

> asau pujyo yatha harih

>

> maha-kula-prasuto 'pi

> sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH

> sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca

> na guruh syad avaisnavah

>

>Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse

> THE GURU MUST BE SITUATED ON THE TOPMOST PLATFORM OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE.

>THERE ARE THREE CLASSES OF DEVOTEES, AND THE GURU MUST BE ACCEPTED FROM THE

>TOPMOST CLASS. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all

kinds

>of people. It is said: gurur nrnam. The word nrnam means "of all human

>beings.

>

>"Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse

> The maha-bhagavata is one who decorates his body with tilaka and whose

>name indicates him to be a servant of Krsna by the word dasa. He is also

>initiated by a bona fide spiritual master and is expert in worshiping the

>Deity, chanting mantras correctly, performing sacrifices, offering prayers

>to the Lord, and performing sankirtana. He knows how to serve the Supreme

>Personality of Godhead and how to respect a Vaisnava. WHEN ONE HAS ATTAINED

>THE TOPMOST POSITION OF MAHA-BHAGAVATA, HE IS TO BE ACCEPTED AS A GURU AND

>WORSHIPED EXACTLY LIKE HARI, THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. ONLY SUCH A PERSON

>IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU.

>

>Hridayananda das "goswami" has deviated from the conclusion of Srila

>Prabhupada and manufactured his speculative theory in the purport of his

>so-called Srimad Bhagavatam. The actual Srimad Bhagavatam is spotless

purana

>but his purports are gross misunderstandings of how he himself has

>understood it.

>

>."Madhya 17.186 T The Lord Travels to Vrndavana

> tarko 'pratisthah srutayo vibhinna

> nasav rsir yasya matam na bhinnam

> dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam

> MAHAJANO YENA GATAH SA PANTHAH

>

> TRANSLATION

> Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu continued," 'Dry arguments are inconclusive. A

>great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not

>considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are

variegated,

>one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are

>understood. THE SOLID TRUTH OF RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES IS HIDDEN IN THE HEART

>OF AN UNADULTERATED SELF-REALIZED PERSON. CONSEQUENTLY, AS THE SASTRAS

>CONFIRM, ONE SHOULD ACCEPT WHATEVER PROGRESSIVE PATH THE MAHAJANAS

>ADVOCATE.'"

>

>Adi 8.39 The Author Receives the Orders of Krsna and Guru

> IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR A COMMON MAN TO WRITE BOOKS ON BHAKTI, FOR HIS

>WRITINGS WILL NOT BE EFFECTIVE. HE MAY BE A VERY GREAT SCHOLAR AND EXPERT

IN

>PRESENTING LITERATURE IN FLOWERY LANGUAGE, BUT THIS IS NOT AT ALL HELPFUL

IN

>UNDERSTANDING TRANSCENDENTAL LITERATURE. Even if transcendental literature

>is written in faulty language, it is acceptable if it is written by a

>devotee, whereas so-called transcendental literature written by a mundane

>scholar, even if it is a very highly polished literary presentation, cannot

>be accepted. THE SECRET IN A DEVOTEE'S WRITING IS THAT WHEN HE WRITES ABOUT

>THE PASTIMES OF THE LORD, THE LORD HELPS HIM; HE DOES NOT WRITE HIMSELF. As

>stated in the Bhagavad-gita (10.10), dadami buddhi-yogam tam yena mam

>upayanti te. SINCE A DEVOTEE WRITES IN SERVICE TO THE LORD, THE LORD FROM

>WITHIN GIVES HIM SO MUCH INTELLIGENCE THAT HE SITS DOWN NEAR THE LORD AND

>GOES ON WRITING BOOKS. KRSNADASA KAVIRAJA GOSVAMI CONFIRMS THAT WHAT

>VRNDAVANA DASA THAKURA WROTE WAS ACTUALLY SPOKEN BY LORD CAITANYA

>MAHAPRABHU, AND HE SIMPLY REPEATED IT.

>

>Adi 9.4 The Tree of Devotional Service

> This is the process for writing transcendental literature. A

>sentimentalist who has no Vaisnava qualifications cannot produce

>transcendental writings. There are many fools who consider krsna-lila to be

>a subject of art and write or paint pictures about the pastimes of Lord

>Krsna with the gopis, sometimes depicting them in a manner practically

>obscene. These fools take pleasure in material sense gratification, but one

>who wants to make advancement in spiritual life must scrupulously avoid

>their literature. Unless one is a servant of Krsna and the Vaisnavas, as

>Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami presents himself to be in offering respects to

>Lord Caitanya, His associates and His disciples, one should not attempt to

>write transcendental literature.

>

>Adi 9.5 The Tree of Devotional Service

> THIS IS THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF TRANSCENDENTAL WRITING. ONE MUST BE AN

>AUTHORIZED VAISNAVA, HUMBLE AND PURE. One should write transcendental

>literature to purify oneself, not for credit. By writing about the pastimes

>of the Lord, one associates with the Lord directly. One should not

>ambitiously think, "I shall become a great author. I shall be celebrated as

>a writer." These are material desires. One should attempt to write for

>self-purification. It may be published or it may not be published, but that

>does not matter. If one is actually sincere in writing, all his ambitions

>will be fulfilled. Whether one is known as a great author is incidental.

One

>should not attempt to write transcendental literature for material name and

>fame.

>

>73-10-14.Pat Letter: Patita Uddharana:

> The purport is that for TRANSCENDENTAL WRITING ONE MUST BE AN AUTHORIZED

>VAISNAVA and should write to purify oneself, not for credit. It may or may

>not be published, but one who is actually sincere in writing, all his

>ambitions will be fulfilled.

>

>N98:72-12-03 Letter to: Billy Reyburne, (new98) letters

> Regarding your question about writing songs about Krishna, this is not

>very important thing. You can write, but one cannot take it very

seriously.

>If any Vaisnava is writing song about Krishna, that should be from one who

>himself has realized Krishna, just like our great saints and acaryas like

>Madhvacarya, Ramanujacarya, Rupa Gosvami, six Gosvamins, Bilvamangala,

>Bhaktivinode Thakur, like that. THEY ARE SELF-REALIZED SOULS, THEREFORE IF

>THEY WRITE SOMETHING SONG ABOUT KRISHNA, THAT IS PERFECTLY FROM THE

>TRANSCENDENTAL PLATFORM, WITHOUT ANY TINGE OF MUNDANE INFLUENCE OR NONSENSE

>IMAGINATION. Unless someone comes in the category of these great leading

>Vaisnava personalities, his manufacturing some songs will be misleading to

>himself and to others. And unless his writing of poems and songs can be

>accepted as gospel, as Vedas or the Absolute Truth, such writing is

>diverting the attention from the subject matter only and should not be

>regarded very seriously. Now you should become serious to pursue this

>Krishna Consciousness movement with full energy of body, mind and soul. If

>you are writing poems and songs, that's all right, you can do it also, but

>if you can write articles for our Back to Godhead magazine, that is better,

>that is solid preaching work. No one should write songs of Krishna unless

>he is self-realized soul, that will spoil the value of the whole thing.

But

>try to use your writing and singing talent for Krishna's preaching work, by

>writing articles, singing the kirtan, like that. Then you will be happy,

>and I think you should without further delay try to become devotees as the

>others are doing and live with us and practice the regulative principles of

>brahmacari life. In this way, become determined to fix your all attention

>for seeing Krishna face to face by the Krishna Consciousness process and

>then you shall qualify yourself for writing songs about Krishna and you

>chant always this Hare Krishna mantra you can come to the highest point of

>seeing Krishna very soon, you may know it for certain.

>

>In conclusion:

>Adi 11.7 The Expansions of Lord Nityananda

> ONE SHOULD NOT WRITE BOOKS OR ESSAYS ON TRANSCENDENTAL SUBJECT MATTER

FOR

>MATERIAL NAME, FAME OR PROFIT. TRANSCENDENTAL LITERATURE MUST BE WRITTEN

>UNDER THE DIRECTION OF A SUPERIOR AUTHORITY BECAUSE IT IS NOT MEANT FOR

>MATERIAL PURPOSES. If one tries to write under superior authority, he

>becomes purified. All Krsna conscious activities should be undertaken for

>personal purification (apana sodhite), not for material gain.

>

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