What is truth and fiction

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>What is truht and fiction >Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:04:38 -0600 >

>What is truth and fiction? > >It should be pointed out for the benefit of

members of public no expert in sophistry that in January 1990, a debate took

placed in the San Diego Temple on the issue between the fanatics highpriests

fundamentalist of rivik cult and representatives form the GBC. Later that year,

ant the GBC meetings in Mayapura. A resolution was passed invaliding the ritvik

believe. Still, this shadow fallacy is bring promoted, in gross and sutil ways,

by some parties of fanatics. Like the last bitter letters from one of the

blindfallowers of this cult critiquing to our Gurumaharaja Sri Hridayanda

Goswami. Therefore, I don't take care direct to waste my time fighting with

mentally deranged so called Krsna's believers. But only I want to show what

Prabhupada said about the authority of the Guru-parampara succession after Him.

> >"The spiritual master succession is not difficult. This, respect to my

spiritual master. I'm nothing. I am a peon. Similarly this parampara system is

like this. I request to you ( my disciples) all become spiritual masters" (

Vyasa-puja 1969) > >"My Guru Maharaja is tenth from Caitanya Mahaprabhu. I 'm

eleven, you (my disciples) are the twelfth." (May 18, 1972. Arrival lecture in

Los Angeles) > >"One who is now the disciple is the next spiritual master."

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.9.43) > >"Any one following the order of Lord Caitanya

under the guidance of His bonefide representative can become a spiritual and I

wish ,that in my absence, all my disciples become the bonefine spiritual master

to spread Krsna consciousness throughout the whole world" (November 2, 1967, To

Madhusudana das) > >I want that all of my spiritual sons and daughter will

inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta, so that the trascendental diploma will

continue through the generations. Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta

will be allowed to initiate disciples. May be 1975 all of my disciples will be

allowed to initiate and increase the number of generations. That is my

program." (December 3 1968, to Hamsaduta) > >"You can accept disciples without

any limitation. that is the law of disciple succession. I want to see my

disciples become bonefide spiritual master and spread krsna consciousness very

widely, thaat will make me and Krsna very happy." December 2 1975, to Tusta

Krsna das) > > > >Part 2: The May 28th Conversation 1977. >Satsvarupa: Then our

next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when

you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would

be conducted. > Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is

settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas. > >

Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya? > Prabhupada: Rtvik, yes. > >

Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the

initiation and the... > Prabhupada: He's guru. He's guru. > > Satsvarupa: But

he does it on your behalf. > Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my

presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Amara

ajnaya guru hana. Be actually guru, but by my order. > > "Tamala Krsna: So if

someone gives initiation, like Harikesa Maharaja, he should send the person's

name to us here and I'll enter it in the book. Okay. Is there someone else in

India that you want to do this? > Prabhupada: India, I am here." > >

Satsvarupa: So they may also be considered your disciples. > Prabhupada: Yes,

they are disciples. Why consider? Who? > > Tamala Krsna: No, he's asking that

these rtvik-acaryas, they're officiating, giving diksa. Their... The people who

they give diksa to, whose disciple are they? > Prabhupada: They're his disciple.

> Tamala Krsna: They're his disciple. > Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is

granddisciple. > > Satsvarupa: Yes. > Tamala Krsna: That's clear. > >

Satsvarupa: Then we have a question concer... > Prabhupada: When I order, "You

become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my

disciple. That's it. " > > Conlcusion > > What is the meaning of liberate

soul???? > > "A foolis person who manufacture his own ways and means through

mental speculation and does no recognise the authority of the sages who lay

down unimpeachable directions is simply unsuccessful again and again in his

attempts. > > At the present moment it has become fashionable to disobedy the

unimpecheable direccitons given by the acaryas and liberated souls for the

past. Presently people are so fallen that they cannot distingued between a

liberated soul and a condicioned soul. A conditioned soul is hampered by

defects... Consequently we have to take direction from liberated persons, This

Krsna consciousness movement directly receives instructions from the Supreme

Personality of Godhead via persons who are strictly following His instructions,

Although a follower may no be a liberate person, if he follows the supreme,

liberated Personality of Godhead, his actions are naturally liberated from

contaminate of material nature. Lord Caitanya therefore says: "One can

immediately become a spiritual master". One can immediately become a spiritual

master by having full faith in the transcendental words of Supreme Personality

of Godhead and by following His instructions, Materialistic men are interested

in taking directions from liberate person, but the very much interested in

their own concoted ideas, which make them repeatedly fail in their attempt."

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.18.5) > > "Upon hearing intolerable blasphemy to the Lord,

several members of the assembly covered their ears and walked out, angrily

cursing the King of Cedi. > Anyone who fails to immediately leave the place

where he hears criticism of the Supreme Lord or his devotee will certainly fall

down, bereft of his pious credit." Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.74.39-40) > > Please

Virndavan das, expel to this man from your nice forum and don 't sendme any

letters from him. > Sinceraly Hare Krisna Das > Priest of Radha-Govinda Mandir

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