RE: [world-vedic] Cow Protection - the gift of Vedic knowledge

[Guest guest]

Mark,

 

Please accept my respects.

 

Do you know Balabhadra Prabhu (Mr. Dove) and Mother Chaya of the

International Society for Cow Protection? They have been working to set an

example of the exact thing you are inquiring about. I am personal friends

with them both and they are first class people who are working out of New

Vrindaban. They are a tremendous resource for you to contact. If you need

more information please let me know and I will get it to you.

 

Hoping this finds you earnestly engaged in the service of Lord

Krishna.

 

Your servant,

 

mayesvara dasa

687 Villanova Road

Ojai, California 93023

(805) 640-0405 Home

(805) 228-0736 Work

robertswg (M-F 7AM - 3PM)

mayesvara (About once a week on weekends.)

 

 

 

 

 

mark chatburn [markjon11]

Friday, April 06, 2001 7:58 AM

vediculture

[world-vedic] Cow Protection - the gift of Vedic knowledge

 

 

Good day,

 

My name is Mark Chatburn and I represent a group

called VEDA - the Vegetarian Enviromental Development

Association. We are working in partnership with ISKCON

and IVU (International Vegetarian Union) groups to

formulate a commercially viable model of cow

protection.

 

The name we have given to this endeavour is

Protection Farms - for the profitable lifetime

protection of farm animals.

 

Its nature is essentially secular to appeal to

business investors and consumers alike from all walks

of life.

 

Mahatma Ghandi claimed that cow protection was the

greatest gift that Hinduism can give to the world.

Yet, although the percentage of vegetarians in

countries like the UK has increased to 10%, there is

still no system of farm animal protection in place in

the developed countries. This is due to history and

the fact that the new paradigms have yet to manifest

themselves on the physical plane.

 

It can not be good enough to just be vegetarian, one

must also consume from and support a farming system

that has at its heart the moral values that

vegetarianism demands. To consume milk products form

the same system that produces meat, involves the

compromise of allowing slaughter within the

food-providing process. Also, crops produced via

intensive agriculture or organic agriculture relies on

the petro-industrial framework, not on a simpler

process using intermediate draft-powered technology.

 

 

I enter this discussion forum in the hope that a

debate on this issue can be engendered that will

ultimately lead to the implimentation of this farming

system - Protection Farms - throughout the world.

 

Thus, along with the chanting of the names of the Lord

in every town and village, so too will be heard the

mooing of protected cows and other lifetime protected

farm animals.

 

Yours in the best of faith,

 

Mark chatburn - founder VEDA

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Mayasvara dasa,

 

Yes, I know Bala and Chaya from ISCOWP, but they are

not interested in a farming system for the profitable

lifetime protection of farm animals, only in

Prabhupada´s vision where profit is no a goal. I am on

the cow conference, yet very frustrated as ISKCON

devotees will do business with anything except cows.

All Iskcon farms are loss making, yet a business

approach that I have been putting forward has been

rejected by them as it is a deviation of Prabhupada's

instructions - as if selling Hong Kong paintings or

running a farm in debt is not.

 

Yours, Mark

--- Roberts William G CONT PHCA

<RobertsWG wrote: > Mark,

>

> Please accept my respects.

>

> Do you know Balabhadra Prabhu (Mr. Dove) and Mother

> Chaya of the

> International Society for Cow Protection? They have

> been working to set an

> example of the exact thing you are inquiring about.

> I am personal friends

> with them both and they are first class people who

> are working out of New

> Vrindaban. They are a tremendous resource for you

> to contact. If you need

> more information please let me know and I will get

> it to you.

>

> Hoping this finds you earnestly engaged in the

> service of Lord

> Krishna.

>

> Your servant,

>

> mayesvara dasa

> 687 Villanova Road

> Ojai, California 93023

> (805) 640-0405 Home

> (805) 228-0736 Work

> robertswg (M-F 7AM - 3PM)

> mayesvara (About once a week on weekends.)

>

>

>

>

>

> mark chatburn [markjon11]

> Friday, April 06, 2001 7:58 AM

> vediculture

> [world-vedic] Cow Protection - the gift of

> Vedic knowledge

>

>

> Good day,

>

> My name is Mark Chatburn and I represent a group

> called VEDA - the Vegetarian Enviromental

> Development

> Association. We are working in partnership with

> ISKCON

> and IVU (International Vegetarian Union) groups to

> formulate a commercially viable model of cow

> protection.

>

> The name we have given to this endeavour is

> Protection Farms - for the profitable lifetime

> protection of farm animals.

>

> Its nature is essentially secular to appeal to

> business investors and consumers alike from all

> walks

> of life.

>

> Mahatma Ghandi claimed that cow protection was the

> greatest gift that Hinduism can give to the world.

> Yet, although the percentage of vegetarians in

> countries like the UK has increased to 10%, there is

> still no system of farm animal protection in place

> in

> the developed countries. This is due to history and

> the fact that the new paradigms have yet to manifest

> themselves on the physical plane.

>

> It can not be good enough to just be vegetarian, one

> must also consume from and support a farming system

> that has at its heart the moral values that

> vegetarianism demands. To consume milk products form

> the same system that produces meat, involves the

> compromise of allowing slaughter within the

> food-providing process. Also, crops produced via

> intensive agriculture or organic agriculture relies

> on

> the petro-industrial framework, not on a simpler

> process using intermediate draft-powered technology.

>

>

>

> I enter this discussion forum in the hope that a

> debate on this issue can be engendered that will

> ultimately lead to the implimentation of this

> farming

> system - Protection Farms - throughout the world.

>

> Thus, along with the chanting of the names of the

> Lord

> in every town and village, so too will be heard the

> mooing of protected cows and other lifetime

> protected

> farm animals.

>

> Yours in the best of faith,

>

> Mark chatburn - founder VEDA

>

>

>

> Get email at your own domain with Mail.

> http://personal.mail./

>

>

> This is an information resource and discussion group

> for people interested

> in the World's Ancient Vedic Culture, with a focus

> on its historical,

> archeological and scientific aspects. Also topics

> about India, Hinduism,

> God, and other aspects of World Culture are welcome.

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Mark,

 

Please accept my respects.

 

I am sorry to hear that Balabhadra was not receptive to your ideas.

I think you have a good vision and you are probably 50 years ahead of your

time... perhaps more. But you are certainly on the right track. I agree

with your frustrations regarding ISKCON, but somehow, despite the prevailing

immaturity, and in some cases incompetence, we are compelled to push ahead

and do all we can to reconcile past ills and forge new standards for the

benefit of all the lost conditioned souls.

 

If I can be of any further service to you let me know.

 

Hoping this finds you earnestly engaged in the service of Lord

Krishna.

 

Your servant,

 

mayesvara dasa

687 Villanova Road

Ojai, California 93023

(805) 640-0405 Home

(805) 228-0736 Work

robertswg (M-F 7AM - 3PM)

mayesvara (About once a week on weekends.)

 

 

 

 

 

mark chatburn [markjon11]

Friday, April 13, 2001 7:59 AM

vediculture

RE: [world-vedic] Cow Protection - the gift of Vedic knowledge

 

 

Thank you Mayasvara dasa,

 

Yes, I know Bala and Chaya from ISCOWP, but they are

not interested in a farming system for the profitable

lifetime protection of farm animals, only in

Prabhupada´s vision where profit is no a goal. I am on

the cow conference, yet very frustrated as ISKCON

devotees will do business with anything except cows.

All Iskcon farms are loss making, yet a business

approach that I have been putting forward has been

rejected by them as it is a deviation of Prabhupada's

instructions - as if selling Hong Kong paintings or

running a farm in debt is not.

 

Yours, Mark

--- Roberts William G CONT PHCA

<RobertsWG wrote: > Mark,

>

> Please accept my respects.

>

> Do you know Balabhadra Prabhu (Mr. Dove) and Mother

> Chaya of the

> International Society for Cow Protection? They have

> been working to set an

> example of the exact thing you are inquiring about.

> I am personal friends

> with them both and they are first class people who

> are working out of New

> Vrindaban. They are a tremendous resource for you

> to contact. If you need

> more information please let me know and I will get

> it to you.

>

> Hoping this finds you earnestly engaged in the

> service of Lord

> Krishna.

>

> Your servant,

>

> mayesvara dasa

> 687 Villanova Road

> Ojai, California 93023

> (805) 640-0405 Home

> (805) 228-0736 Work

> robertswg (M-F 7AM - 3PM)

> mayesvara (About once a week on weekends.)

>

>

>

>

>

> mark chatburn [markjon11]

> Friday, April 06, 2001 7:58 AM

> vediculture

> [world-vedic] Cow Protection - the gift of

> Vedic knowledge

>

>

> Good day,

>

> My name is Mark Chatburn and I represent a group

> called VEDA - the Vegetarian Enviromental

> Development

> Association. We are working in partnership with

> ISKCON

> and IVU (International Vegetarian Union) groups to

> formulate a commercially viable model of cow

> protection.

>

> The name we have given to this endeavour is

> Protection Farms - for the profitable lifetime

> protection of farm animals.

>

> Its nature is essentially secular to appeal to

> business investors and consumers alike from all

> walks

> of life.

>

> Mahatma Ghandi claimed that cow protection was the

> greatest gift that Hinduism can give to the world.

> Yet, although the percentage of vegetarians in

> countries like the UK has increased to 10%, there is

> still no system of farm animal protection in place

> in

> the developed countries. This is due to history and

> the fact that the new paradigms have yet to manifest

> themselves on the physical plane.

>

> It can not be good enough to just be vegetarian, one

> must also consume from and support a farming system

> that has at its heart the moral values that

> vegetarianism demands. To consume milk products form

> the same system that produces meat, involves the

> compromise of allowing slaughter within the

> food-providing process. Also, crops produced via

> intensive agriculture or organic agriculture relies

> on

> the petro-industrial framework, not on a simpler

> process using intermediate draft-powered technology.

>

>

>

> I enter this discussion forum in the hope that a

> debate on this issue can be engendered that will

> ultimately lead to the implimentation of this

> farming

> system - Protection Farms - throughout the world.

>

> Thus, along with the chanting of the names of the

> Lord

> in every town and village, so too will be heard the

> mooing of protected cows and other lifetime

> protected

> farm animals.

>

> Yours in the best of faith,

>

> Mark chatburn - founder VEDA

>

>

>

> Get email at your own domain with Mail.

> http://personal.mail./

>

>

> This is an information resource and discussion group

> for people interested

> in the World's Ancient Vedic Culture, with a focus

> on its historical,

> archeological and scientific aspects. Also topics

> about India, Hinduism,

> God, and other aspects of World Culture are welcome.

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Robert,

 

It is very nice to hear an appreciative voice out

there, and from the ISKCON perspective. If you are

truly interested, I suggest you get on the cow

conference through ISCOWP and help me push the agenda.

 

Yes, I do seem to be ahead of my time, but Prabhupada

was light years ahead. The conference is becoming

receptive to my perspective, yet to change a paradigm

always brings resistance. Therefore it needs those who

can see the vision to expouse it to the source of the

old paradigm. That is the cow conferencers like Bala,

HKDD, Syam, etc.

 

So, feel free to help.

 

Mark

 

 

--- Roberts William G CONT PHCA

<RobertsWG wrote: > Mark,

>

> Please accept my respects.

>

> I am sorry to hear that Balabhadra was not

> receptive to your ideas.

> I think you have a good vision and you are probably

> 50 years ahead of your

> time... perhaps more. But you are certainly on the

> right track. I agree

> with your frustrations regarding ISKCON, but

> somehow, despite the prevailing

> immaturity, and in some cases incompetence, we are

> compelled to push ahead

> and do all we can to reconcile past ills and forge

> new standards for the

> benefit of all the lost conditioned souls.

>

> If I can be of any further service to you let me

> know.

>

> Hoping this finds you earnestly engaged in

> the service of Lord

> Krishna.

>

> Your servant,

>

> mayesvara dasa

> 687 Villanova Road

> Ojai, California 93023

> (805) 640-0405 Home

> (805) 228-0736 Work

> robertswg (M-F 7AM - 3PM)

> mayesvara (About once a week on weekends.)

>

>

>

>

>

> mark chatburn [markjon11]

> Friday, April 13, 2001 7:59 AM

> vediculture

> RE: [world-vedic] Cow Protection - the gift

> of Vedic knowledge

>

>

> Thank you Mayasvara dasa,

>

> Yes, I know Bala and Chaya from ISCOWP, but they are

> not interested in a farming system for the

> profitable

> lifetime protection of farm animals, only in

> Prabhupada´s vision where profit is no a goal. I am

> on

> the cow conference, yet very frustrated as ISKCON

> devotees will do business with anything except cows.

> All Iskcon farms are loss making, yet a business

> approach that I have been putting forward has been

> rejected by them as it is a deviation of

> Prabhupada's

> instructions - as if selling Hong Kong paintings or

> running a farm in debt is not.

>

> Yours, Mark

> --- Roberts William G CONT PHCA

> <RobertsWG wrote: > Mark,

> >

> > Please accept my respects.

> >

> > Do you know Balabhadra Prabhu (Mr. Dove) and

> Mother

> > Chaya of the

> > International Society for Cow Protection? They

> have

> > been working to set an

> > example of the exact thing you are inquiring

> about.

> > I am personal friends

> > with them both and they are first class people who

> > are working out of New

> > Vrindaban. They are a tremendous resource for you

> > to contact. If you need

> > more information please let me know and I will get

> > it to you.

> >

> > Hoping this finds you earnestly engaged in the

> > service of Lord

> > Krishna.

> >

> > Your servant,

> >

> > mayesvara dasa

> > 687 Villanova Road

> > Ojai, California 93023

> > (805) 640-0405 Home

> > (805) 228-0736 Work

> > robertswg (M-F 7AM - 3PM)

> > mayesvara (About once a week on weekends.)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > mark chatburn [markjon11]

> > Friday, April 06, 2001 7:58 AM

> > vediculture

> > [world-vedic] Cow Protection - the gift

> of

> > Vedic knowledge

> >

> >

> > Good day,

> >

> > My name is Mark Chatburn and I represent a group

> > called VEDA - the Vegetarian Enviromental

> > Development

> > Association. We are working in partnership with

> > ISKCON

> > and IVU (International Vegetarian Union) groups to

> > formulate a commercially viable model of cow

> > protection.

> >

> > The name we have given to this endeavour is

> > Protection Farms - for the profitable lifetime

> > protection of farm animals.

> >

> > Its nature is essentially secular to appeal to

> > business investors and consumers alike from all

> > walks

> > of life.

> >

> > Mahatma Ghandi claimed that cow protection was the

> > greatest gift that Hinduism can give to the world.

> > Yet, although the percentage of vegetarians in

> > countries like the UK has increased to 10%, there

> is

> > still no system of farm animal protection in place

> > in

> > the developed countries. This is due to history

> and

> > the fact that the new paradigms have yet to

> manifest

> > themselves on the physical plane.

> >

> > It can not be good enough to just be vegetarian,

> one

> > must also consume from and support a farming

> system

> > that has at its heart the moral values that

> > vegetarianism demands. To consume milk products

> form

> > the same system that produces meat, involves the

> > compromise of allowing slaughter within the

> > food-providing process. Also, crops produced via

> > intensive agriculture or organic agriculture

> relies

> > on

> > the petro-industrial framework, not on a simpler

> > process using intermediate draft-powered

> technology.

> >

> >

> >

> > I enter this discussion forum in the hope that a

> > debate on this issue can be engendered that will

> > ultimately lead to the implimentation of this

> > farming

> > system - Protection Farms - throughout the world.

> >

> > Thus, along with the chanting of the names of the

> > Lord

> > in every town and village, so too will be heard

> the

> > mooing of protected cows and other lifetime

> > protected

> > farm animals.

> >

> > Yours in the best of faith,

> >

> > Mark chatburn - founder VEDA

> >

> >

> >

> > Get email at your own domain with Mail.

> > http://personal.mail./

> >

> >

> > This is an information resource and discussion

> group

> > for people interested

> > in the World's Ancient Vedic Culture, with a focus

> > on its historical,

> > archeological and scientific aspects. Also topics

> > about India, Hinduism,

> > God, and other aspects of World Culture are

> welcome.

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

> >

>

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