Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 British holocaust in India V.C.Vijayaraghavan Some Indians especially Tamils were/are head over heels over the late Britsh Indian Colonial Empire. Some devotees of colonialism like late EVR thought that the depature of Britsh from India was a great misfortune. However, British period in India was a period of famines and holocausts in which the Britsh profited by the famines, letting thousands die. Read the part of a book "Late Victorian Holocausts El Niño Famines and the Making of the Third World By MIKE DAVIS" in http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/d/davis-victorian.html Responses: Srini VCV: Did Gopal Krishna Gokhale too see merit in British rule for some more decades as an opportunity for furthering reforms? (I remember having read so in Stanley Wolpert's book on "Tilak and Gokhale". Incidentally, most justification on the then need to oust Britishers seem to have stemmed from economic point of view, as though on social plane the hihgly stratified Indian populace had come to accept the British as perhaps belonging to another upper caste to whom allegiance was perfunctory. ! V.C.Vijayaraghavan Srini wroteVCV: Did Gopal Krishna Gokhale too see merit in British rule for some more decades as an opportunity for furthering reforms? - GKG belonged to what was called Moderate Wing of the Congress. After all Congress itself was started by an Englishman in 1885. Hence the first 20 years, Congress was 'moderate' i.e. wanted more reforms of the British rule to give more representation to Indians and basically they wanted a kind of self-rule by the Indians under British direction. Ironically, even after 1947, ALL the institutional structure of britsh India like the Beureacarcy, Army, Police, Parliament, Judiciary were kept intact and they continue by and large unchanged even after 50 years. Whatever one may say about Britishers, three things are sure 1. They were and are master Institution builders 2. They take a pragmatic, practical approach to problems and solve them 3. Their organizational capacities are great. Sugrutha VCV, It was just not EVR. Ambedkar also was of the same opinion. In my times I have heard many upper-caste people of the older generation lamenting the demise of the british rule and the birth of anarchy and corruption in public life. V.C.Vijayaraghavan I have also heard similar things from older generation people in India who were in awe for police firings by the British or the eficiency of their police operations. This is similar to some older Russians nostalgically remembering Stalin days, when there was order in Soviet Union and USSR was a super power. The question is at what cost this 'order' was brought about and for whose benefit the 'order' was brought about.. The purpose of any imperialist venture like British India was to exploit the 'natives' and the 'order' is brought about only to make this exploitation more efficient. There were so many other famines in British India with huge casualties brought about by govt. apathy. For example in the Great famine in Bengal in 1941-42, estimated 3 million people died. This arose due to the govt funneling all food , transport and other resources for war effort. After 1947, the frequency of famnines has greatly reduced and it has not occured in the last 30 years. Sugrutha At that time, when these great famines occurred, Indians probably did not comprehend entirely the British hand in it. It is now after half a century, when we did not have famines even during our worst droughts, that we realise what actually happened. Among our generation no one glorifies the British out of proportion and want them back. That is what counts. Srini VCV: The point is if so many others felt the same way, why single out EVR as an example for such kind of people? He atleast had a genuine passion to do something for the underdogs, without any political plot. I think such references will only nourish the unnecessary shisms on who was socially and politically more correct. I think historical figures should be judged more by their 'intent' than by their idealogies. By this token, even if EVR had thought of British presence being good for us, it deserves only as much criticism as Nehru deserves for believing in Socialistic model for India. In either case, the intent to serve the country was not questionable, right. V.C.Vijayaraghavan Srini wrote: The point is if so many others felt the same way, why single out EVR as an example for such kind of people? ---- -- We are not talking of feelings of individuals but the political actions. EVR decided to observe 15-8-1947 as a black day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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