Guest guest Posted May 27, 2001 Report Share Posted May 27, 2001 De: Amara dasa <amaradas (AT) lava (DOT) net>Para: Radha-Govinda Mandir <govinda (AT) mcsa (DOT) net.mx>Fecha: Sábado 26 de Mayo de 2001 7:39 PMAsunto: Re: [world-vedic] Maharaja Virata's Example Dear devotees of Radha-Govinda mandira, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! The Vedas always refer to three genders: male, female and the third sex (transgender). I agree with you that all three are to be respected and left in peace. As a member of the third gender, I do not hate but rather have all respect and honor for women. The quote you mention, about the demons who came from the buttocks of Brahma, does not refer to people of the third gender. If you continue to read the story, you will find that these demons were attracted to the beautiful form of woman that Brahma created as twilight in order to distract them. For further information regarding Kama-sutra, Vedic references to the Third Gender ("homosexuals"), and taped conversion about the third gender by Srila Prabhupada, kindly visit the Tritiya-prakriti website: http://www.geocities/galva108 Let me desagreed, my dear jiva atma, you are not this body, aham brahmasmi, firts remember the follow quotes: Tarkaprathistanat, vendanta sutra 2.1.11, The truth are never attaind by logic and argument, but by the vedic revelation. acintyah khalu ye bhava na tams tarkena yojate: the nature of spirtual life cannot be undertood by the material mind, or materila logic or argument". Mahabharata Bhisma-parva 2.1.11, satras yonituat, The satras are not the writtings of fallible conditioned souls, Their are spoken by the supreme". Let me remember to you, that are only evationed the quotes of Prabhupada. He spoke very direct that homesexuliti is demoniac. Any body is the material or sutle body. You can not quote the kamasastra becuase it is not part of vedic canon, it is mundane book that one bogus compiler. If you want to excuse your conditionament, okey?? But your cannot send us any letter to us. In the time of death, Yamaraja, is already wait for our sinful activitis. Any body of us, cannot soborner to him with words juglary. So, homosexaulity is sinful and demoniac, Prabhupada, the best Mahajana wrotte. Please, let us in peace and don't send more letters of this anomalus behavior. Remove us of your list of mail. Good luck"!! center cent jivas, sarvents of Krsna with mental healthy. Our Radha Govinda Mandir temple devotees Hare Krishna! Your servant and friend, Amara dasa - Radha-Govinda Mandir vediculture Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:44 PM RE: [world-vedic] Maharaja Virata's Example De: Amara dasa <amaradas (AT) lava (DOT) net>Para: Vediculture <vediculture>Fecha: Domingo 20 de Mayo de 2001 3:57 AMAsunto: [world-vedic] Maharaja Virata's Example Conversation Between Maitreya and Vidura: He (Brahmâ) created the chief demigods, who were shinning with the glory of goodness. He dropped before them the effulgence form of daytime, and the demigods sportingly took possession of it. Purport Demons were born from the creation of night, and the demigods were born from daytime. In other words, demons like Yaksas and raksasas are born of the quality of goodness. Lord Brahma then gave birth to the demons form his buttocks, and they were very fond of sex. Because they were too lustful, they approached him for copulation. Sex life is the background of material existence. Here also it is repeated that demons are very fond of sex life. The more one is free from the desire for sex, the more he is prometed to the level of th demigods; the more one is inclined to enjoy sex, the more he is degraded to the level of demoniac life. The worship Brahmâ first laughed at their stupidity, but finding the shameless asuras close upon him, he grew indignant and ran in great haste out of fear. ..................................................... Lord Brâhma, approaching the Lord, addressed Him thus; My Lord please protect me from these sinful demons, who were created by me under Your order. They are infuriated by an appetite for sex and have come to attack me. It appears here that the homosexual appetite of a man for another man is demoniac and is not for any male in the ordinary course of life. (SB. 3. 20 22-25.) The Kama-satra of Kukoka, has recommendations against to Bhagavatam commands. For exempla, sex with cows, buffaloes, etc, masturbation's, oral sex, etc. All of this against to the Vaisnvas sastras. Sex life is only in sacred merry, under garbhodana samskara. Any scripture that counter the Bhagavata sastras is mithya or bogus. Let recommend to your fine person that, you are right. Is very important never hate to any jiva; but in the same time, is very dishonest looking excuses in the sastras, for to encourage any anomalous character. If you are demanding respect form others, please, change your life, and get sacred merry and begot child's in KC, and reformed your sinful activities, and if your have so much hate and fear to the Ladies, please remained in celibacy living alone, but stop your sins, and if you aren't so sincere for to do that. please, we are nothing for stop to you or give to you troubles; but let us to live in peace with your continued gay-vedic propaganda. Thanks very much. 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