Was Mohammed an Avatar?

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>very interesting, what did S.Prabhupada say about

>Mohamed? I've been under the illusion that he was

>shakti avesha avatara.

 

No illusion this is correct--but its HOW Muhammed's words and the Koran

their scripture has been TWISTED by fanatics --just like what Jayad..

swami has TWISTED Bhagavad-gita--and the criminal demoniac mind leads to the

MOST

dangerous situation. In the rape of ISKCON the "gurus" murdered/poisoned

Srila Prabhupada, changed his books, destroyed/spliced his tapes, altered

his teachings, Key men( temple presidents etc) awarded themselves high

salaries, brought in more voted in so called "gurus"( thugs/animals) and

banned devotees. Afganistan repeat?

Terrorism is not only confined to Islam. These brutes are still there in

ISKCON--and they are chocking it --original Srila Prabhupada books are not

going out. Devotees spiritual lives are wrecked. They are coerced to

worship an animal gunda so-called guru instead of the *actual* initiating

guru Srila Prabhupada.

 

 

661231CC.NY Lectures

Now, so far our experience is concerned, Lord Caitanya says there are

innumerable. So how we can accept a avatara, a saktyavesa avatara, whose

names are not mentioned herein? Then we have to... As in the beginning, Lord

Caitanya says that by the symptoms we can understand that He is saktyavesa.

By the symptoms and activities and influence. So what is that symptom?

Symptom is that eternal and temporary. So avatara, incarnation, comes to

glorify the eternal existence of the Supreme Lord. So any avatara, any

incarnation, he comes to glorify that "There is spiritual kingdom, there is

God, and I have come to reclaim you to back to Godhead, back to home." This

is the symptom. So therefore, by that symptom, we accept Lord Jesus Christ

as saktyavesa avatara, or Hazrat Muhammad, he's also. Because these two

religious leaders of the world, they preached about the glorification of the

Supreme Lord. And they sacrificed everything for preaching the glories of

the Lord. Therefore... And their influence and their followers, there are...

These are the symptoms by which we can understand that Jesus Christ and

Hazrat Muhammad was, were saktyavesa avataras.

 

740604rc.gen Conversations

Prabhupada: Buddha is saktyavesa-avatara. We accept Lord Jesus Christ also,

saktyavesa-avatara; Mohammed, saktyavesa-avatara. Saktyavesa-avatara means a

living entity especially empowered and he preaches the philosophy on

behalf... That is called saktyavesa-avatara. There are different types of

avataras. Gunavatara, manvantaravatara, yugavatara, lilavatara,

saktyavesavatara, like that. They are described in the Caitanya-caritamrta.

About avataras. You find out Teachings of Lord Caitanya, avataras.

Innumerable avataras. Come here. Find out this chapter. Avatara sankhyeyah.

It is compared, just like in the river, the waves are flowing. You cannot

count, or in the... What is that? Avatara. Read, read that chapter.

 

Adi 17.168 The Pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu in His Youth

In our practical preaching work we meet many Christians who talk about

statements of the Bible. When we question whether God is limited or

unlimited, Christian priests say that God is unlimited. But when we question

why the unlimited God should have only one son and not unlimited sons, they

are unable to answer. Similarly, from a scientific point of view, the

answers of the Old Testament, New Testament and Koran to many questions have

changed. But a sastra cannot change at a person's whim. All sastras must be

free from the four defects of human nature. The statements of sastras must

be correct for all time.

 

Adi 17.169 The Pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu in His Youth

The sastras of the yavanas, or meat-eaters, are not eternal scriptures.

They have been fashioned recently, and sometimes they contradict one

another. The scriptures of the yavanas are three: the Old Testament, the New

Testament and the Koran. Their compilation has a history; they are not

eternal like the Vedic knowledge. Therefore although they have their

arguments and reasonings, they are not very sound and transcendental. As

such, modern people advanced in science and philosophy deem these scriptures

unacceptable.

 

Adi 17.169 The Pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu in His Youth

Because the soul is within the body, the body changes through so many

forms. There is a soul within the body of every living entity, whether

animal, tree, bird or human being, and the soul is transmigrating from one

type of body to another. When the scriptures of the yavanas--namely, the Old

Testament, New Testament and Koran--cannot properly answer inquisitive

followers, naturally those advanced in scientific knowledge and philosophy

lose faith in such scriptures.

 

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Pancadravida: These Bible and Koran, how did they get here? They were just

inventions or what?

Prabhupada: Convention means they are partially good for the time being,

that's all. They are not eternally... Just like in the Bible it is said,

"Thou shalt not kill." (chuckles) But this is not, does not come within the

category of eternal religion. People were so corrupted that they were

forbidden, "No, don't do this.Thou shalt not covet," a little moral

instruction. That also, they could not follow. There is no religion. And

little God consciousness, "There is God, kingdom of God," little idea for

the persons who could understand. Otherwise, do you think that if somebody

says, "Thou shalt not kill," is that any religious principle? It is ordinary

thing. Where is the question of God?

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**Unauthorised changes to Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavad-Gita made by

Jayadwaita swami**

 

Note: spot the difference between the old version and the new.

Here he has inserted **souls** and **they**

Bg 4.34 (new version by Jayadwaita swami)

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from

him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized **souls**

can impart knowledge unto you because **they** have seen the truth.

 

Note: here he has ADDED a text which was NEVER there in the original.

**Nor by independent study of books of knowledge can one progress in

spiritual life.**

PURPORT Bg 4.34 (new version by Jayadwaita swami)

The Bhagavatam (6.3.19) says dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam: the path

of religion is directly enunciated by the Lord. Therefore, mental

speculation or dry arguments cannot help lead one to the right path. **Nor

by independent study of books of knowledge can one progress in spiritual

life.** One has to approach a bona fide spiritual master to receive the

knowledge.

 

Bg 4.34 ( Srila Prabhupada's Original untampered version)

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from

him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized **soul**can

impart knowledge unto you because **he** has seen the truth.

PURPORT

The Bhagavatam (6.3.19) says, dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam--the path

of religion is directly enunciated by the Lord. Therefore, mental

speculation or dry arguments cannot help one progress in spiritual life. One

has to approach a bona fide spiritual master to receive the knowledge.

 

The changes made are **very significant** because they change the

**entire** meaning of the text.

Diksa (transcendental Knowledge) is imparted by one self-realized

person--the acarya (Srila Prabhupada)

It is **one singular** person uttama-adhikari( Srila Prabhupada) that

transmits diksa (see antya 4.192-4.194) into the madhyama-adhikaris heart.

Krishna's pastimes reflected in the heart of Prabhupada are transmitted

(televised) in the Madhyama-adhikari's heart when he chants

offenselessly ---this is transcendental knowledge(diksa).

Therefore the plural words "The self-realized **souls** can impart

knowledge unto you because **they** have seen the truth" are totally

incorrect. The clever manipulation OF WORD JUGGLERY "they" means Jayadwaita

swami wants to IMPOSE a new breed of so called INITIATING gurus in ISKCON-in

spite of Srila Prabhupada's clear instruction of July 9 1977 letter to the

society of order to institute a Ritvik system (which incidently was NEVER

revoked by Srila Prabhupada). The bogus initiating gunda "guru" brutes

dismentled Srila Prabhupada's system.

 

Adi 1.35

A devotee **must** have only **one initiating spiritual master** because in

the scriptures acceptance of more than one is always forbidden.

 

Next change, the ADDED text in the purport.

**Nor by independent study of books of knowledge can one progress in

spiritual life.**

 

Srila Prabhupada's books are not ordinary books of knowledge. Therefore this

change is totally meaningless and unjustified. This are** not**

Prabhupada's words in the Bhagavad-Gita.

Here it appears Jayadwaita swami is trying to manipulate the devotees into

searching for a "guru" of the concocted 2/3 majority votes. Is it not?

 

Srila Prabhupada and his books are not different.

Adi-lila 1-35

There is **no difference between the spiritual master's instructions and the

spiritual master himself**. in his absence, therefore, his words of

direction should be the pride of the disciple.

Note: Srila Prabhupada's words of direction----Srimad-Bhagavatam there is no

difference between Srila Prabhupada's Instruction and himself (the

uttama-adhikari is powerful to give diksa from his books).

 

SB 1.7.22

The spiritual master, **by his words**, can penetrate into the heart of the

suffering person and **inject knowledge transcendental**, which alone can

extinguish the fire of material existence.

SB 2.9.8

the potency of transcendental sound is **never minimised** because the

vibrator is **apparently absent**.