Guest guest Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 >Srinandan >gvvijai >CC: MCremo, vedic108, y.r.rani, > rammadhav >Scholars of India's False History are a Dying Breed >Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:44:39 EST > > SCHOLARS WHO BELIEVE IN THE FALSE > HISTORY OF INDIA ARE A DYING BREED > by Sri Nandanandana dasa (Stephen Knapp) > > Now that India has been free for a number of decades from British >rule, >researchers, historians, and archeologists can all begin to take a new look >at the >true history of India. We can have a more unbiased view of the numerous new >findings that keep cropping up that give an increasingly accurate >understanding >of how ancient and how advanced was the Indian Vedic civilization. Now more >than ever there is a serious lack of support and opposing evidence for the >theories that were made popular by the British, such as the Aryan Invasion >Theory, or that it was the invading Muslims who gave India the great >contributions to Indian art, music, or even architecture with the >construction of >such buildings as the Taj Mahal, Delhi's Red Fort, Kutab Minar, and other >buildings throughout India. With the newer and more accurate historical >findings, >many of these ideas are falling apart like a house of cards. > Let us remember that the Aryan Invasion Theory, which was developed >only within the last 200 years by the British and German Sanskritists and >Indologists, presents the idea that the Vedic Aryans were not from India >but >invaded India from outside around 1500 BC or so. This, along with giving >credit >to other invaders for India's distinguished achievements, such as its great >buildings and other cultural developments, was a work of false history and >propaganda to help justify the continued rule of the British over Indians, >since the >Indians themselves were supposed to have invaded India thousands of years >earlier. Indians were, after all, to be dominated so the British could >continue to >rape the land of its natural resources. Yet, some of these ideas remain the >hypothesis for which all of Indian history is based, at least among those >still >influenced by what's left of the British form of indoctrination. > However, these days there is much more evidence being presented by >newer, younger and bolder researchers that show the falsity of these >antiquated >ideas. Furthermore, there are also more questions that are no longer >answered >by >the old beliefs about India's history and the Aryan Invasion Theory. The >theories >of the old scholars are being overturned. > We also see that new students of archeology and history are hesitant >to >accept these ideas in the face of the newer findings and evidence that keep >being >discovered, such as the latest discovery that ancient Indian civilization >could date >back to 9,000 years ago (January, 2002). > I've even talked to some students who are informed about the truth of >Indian history and archeology who confronted their professors about the >outdated inaccuracies and overtly misleading information that they were >teaching >in schools and universities. One professor admitted that it was wrong, but >she >had to teach it because it was in the book the college was using and that's >what >she had to teach. > I've even had friends discuss with educated Muslims the idea of the >Taj >Mahal not being built by the Muslim invaders but only capturing it, and >they >readily agreed that anyone who really knew their history would admit this >was >the case. There was no argument with this. India had the mathematics >(Shulba >Shastras) and architectural treatises and abilities, along with >knowledgeable >craftsmen, to have built such structures, while the invading Muslims did >not >bring >such knowledge and facility. In fact, the chronicle of Al Biruni, who >accompanied >Mahmoud Ghazni, relates the surprise and awe of the Muslim invaders to see >such buildings. Thus, they had to have already been in existence. > It is interesting that the common laypersons are quicker to see the >logic in >the new research findings and in considering these new architectural >discoveries >than the academic scholars. The academicians who cling to such ideas tend >not >to >write more books justifying what they teach, but seem to spend more time on >trying to debunk, criticize or discredit the new findings or theories that >seem >more relevant and able to answer or put to rest the age-old questions. Just >a >few >of these questions include: Where is the pre-Aryan language that existed if >the >people of India were not part of the Vedic culture? What existed in India >before >the Vedic culture, if it was brought by invaders? If the Vedic Aryans >invaded >the >Indus region after 1500 BC, then how is it that the Vedas glorify the >greatness of >the Sarasvati River which is known to have dried up no later than 1800 BC? >How did the Vedic Aryans know of the Sarasvati River at all, unless they >were >already there and a part of the advanced Vedic culture from thousands of >years >ago? How is it that Arabic and European countries were able to make >advancements in mathematics only after they learned the numeric system that >originated in India, now called the Arabic numerals, with its unique symbol >of >zero? Why, when we seriously look at the way the area of India, the Middle >East >and Europe developed, it appears that the advanced nature of society came >from >India rather than from outside and then back into it? When we read in the >Puranas of the advanced organizational nature of the Vedic cities and their >fabulous palaces and buildings such as in Dwaraka as found in the Bhagavat >Purana, why should we think that India had no amazing structures before the >Muslim invaders entered the country? Should we think that ancient Indians >only >lived in forests and tents? That's what it seems many academicians would >have >us >believe. Anyway, these and other questions have not and can not be answered >by >the old ideas on India's history such as the Aryan Invasion Theory. > So it is unfortunate that many of these academics still hold on to >these >ideas as the basis of their views. I was writing to one linguist in >Australia >who >was opposing my presentations on Indian history and wanted me to admit the >validity of his concepts. He was completely one-sided and very defensive. I >didn't >understand why until I realized he was defending himself personally. I >stopped >writing when it became obvious that the basis of his arguments came down to >the >Aryan Invasion Theory. The reason why some of these academics take this so >personally is that they have the most to lose. The basis of their job, or >their own >identity, and their value to society and the whole basis of everything they >thought >they knew about history becomes threatened if it is proved that what they >have >been teaching is false. Nonetheless, on what substantial evidence did that >linguist >base his idea of history? Most of it is all circumstantial, and for a time >the idea of >the Aryan origins was changing with great rapidity at every new discovery, >as >it >still does. Thus, there is no reason why they should not take a good look >at >the >alternative suggestions and new evidence that is being presented lately, >and >which >show that things could not have happened their way. > The fact of the matter is, unfortunately, and as we can plainly see, >much >historical analysis is but a big ego trip; theories and opinions meant to >do >little >more than support the premise of the superiority of one culture over >another. >There is a need to take a new look at reason and cultural development >without >this sort of interference of ego. > Now more than ever before truth is prevailing, and the corruption of >the >British and Muslim theories and stories that have been put forth to demean >India >and the Indian race and its Vedic culture, is being recognized on an >increasing >scale. For this reason, the academics that still cling to such theories as >the Aryan >invasion are a dying breed. Maybe then we can be free from their >closed-minded >prejudice that came from the theories and attempted validations meant to do >nothing but support the premise of the superiority of the European and >Caucasian >races over the darker skinned Indian people. > Eventually, truth prevails. And after a few hundred years of ideas >that >were purposely contrived to demean the culture and history of India, we are >now >learning that the truth is quite different, and India was more advanced >than >the >old British theories give it credit. And we can see that these old theories >are >falling by the way side. > The threat to the Aryan Invasion Theory is coming as a surprise only >to >those who have not kept up with, or outrightly rejected, all the new >evidence >that >is continually being uncovered, and all the new questions that cannot be >substantiated by such concepts as the Aryan Invasion Theory. Thus, it is a >revolution that is going in like a needle and out like a plow to propose >that >the >Aryan Invasion is but a fictional account, and that the Muslims who invaded >India >merely captured the major monuments of India without really building them. > So these proposals for rejecting the European conception of history >are >no different than the archeological evidence that was presented in >Drutakarma's >and Sadaputa's book on "Forbidden Archeology." Some people will accept it, >or >even applaud it, but many will call it preposterous. Of course, when their >whole >identity, their occupation of teaching, and their whole value system is >being >threatened, naturally they have no other option than to disagree or >discredit. >Many examples of people being discredited for their newer findings have >already >been presented in "Forbidden Archeology." And it is a real shame that true >understanding is throne out when it does not mix with the theories of the >establishment. Their bias is there from the beginning. > As time goes on, more and more evidence will accumulate to show the >truth of India's Vedic history. As the evidence mounts, the old theories >will >slip >away and anyone still clinging to such ideas as the Aryan invasion or the >false >history of India's architectural structures will only look foolish. It is >taking some >time to reveal this truth, but out of all the cultures of the world, it is >India that >has best withstood the tests of time and remains the oldest living culture >in >the >world. And this is not due to remaining dependent on the views of outsiders >who >think they know India's culture and history better than Indians, or those >who >still >are influenced by the stories of India from invaders and dominators who >disliked >or even despised India and its people. Now is the time for those of us >connected >with, or who appreciate, India's historical and Vedic culture to work to >reveal >the true and advanced nature of India, which was already in existence >before >the >credits of its wonders were attempted to be taken by outsiders. > [More articles can be viewed at: http://www.stephen-knapp.com] > > > > > > > _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 HARE KRISHNA ! SRI SRI GURU AND GAURANGA KI JAYA ! DEAR READERS, PLEASE ACCEPT MY OBEISANCES. (PLEASE EXCUSE CAPS DUE TO DIFFICULTY SEEING MONITOR) SO THE PEOPLE OF INDIA ARE REALIZING THAT THE WHOLE WORLD HAS BEEN LIVING UNDER THE ARYOSOPHIST COLONIALISTS' ILLUSORY RACIST 'HISTORY' FOR OVER A 100 YEARS. THIS IS A VERY HOPEFUL SIGN. HOWEVER, WHILE HINDU-CENTRISTS HAVE NOW REJECTED THE ARYOSOPHIST'S 'AUTHORITY' ON INDIAN HISTORY, MANY OF THEM ARE STILL ACCEPTING THE SAME ARYOSOPHISTS' CORRUPTIONS OF OTHER PEOPLES' HISTORY AS FACTUAL ! THUS P.N. OAK, AND MANY OTHER POPULAR WRITERS, HAVE BASED MUCH OF THEIR VIEW OF ANCIENT JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY ON THE RACIST ANTI- YAHWIST, ANTI-SEMITIC AND ANTI-CATHOLIC ARYANIST AND PROTO ARYANIST WRITINGS OF CHARLATANS AND FRAUDS LIKE SPENCER LEWIS (AMORC), LOUIS JACOLLIOT, NICHOLAS NOTOVITCH, H.P. BLAVATSKY, ELIAPHAS LEVI, SZELELEY (SP?),AND THEIR LIKE. REGARDLESS OF THE LATER CONFLICTS IN INDIA CAUSE BY SO-CALLED 'CHRISTIAN' IMPERIALISM, THE MUCH EARLIER, ANCIENT HISTORY OF JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY WAS NOT AT ALL WHAT THE PEOPLE OF INDIA HAVE BEEN TAUGHT. THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE BRITISH AND GERMAN PROTESTANTS AND NEO-PAGAN ESOTERICISTS HATED THE JEWS AND CATHOLICS AND WERE HIGHLY MOTIVATED TO DESTROY THEM, AND THEIR TRUE HISTORY FROM OFF OF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. THESE SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS WERE JUST AS CONTEMPTUOUS OF CATHOLIC 'IDOLATRY' AS THEY WERE OF INDIAN 'IDOLATRY'. TO THE RACIST ARYANISTS, THE HATED 'MONGREL' RACES OF THE SEMITES AND DARK MEDITERRANEAN AND EGYPTIAN PEOPLES AND DARK 'MONGRELS' OF INDIA WERE NO DIFFERENT. EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID TO DEFAME THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF INDIA, THEY ALSO DID TO THE JEWS, AFRICANS, CATHOLICS AND MORE. ARYANISM WAS NOT JUST A PATHOLOGY THEY FORCED ON INDIA, THEY FORCED IT ON THE WHOLE WORLD. THEY USED IT AGAINT ALL THE IDOLATROUS AND DARK 'MIXED' RACES THAT THEY HATED. THEY EVEN COMPLETELY TWISTED AND CORRUPTED THE HISTORY OF JUDAISM AND EARLY CATHOLICISM IN ORDER TO CREATE A WHITE 'ARYAN' JESUS. THE ABOVE AUTHORS WERE ALL PART OF THAT HISTORICAL MOVEMENT, AND ANYONE WHO REJECTS THE ARYAN INVASION THEORY BUT ACCEPTS THESE KIND OF SOURCES AS AUTHORITIES ON JUDAISM AND CATHOLICISM IS A HYPOCRIT. EITHER THE RACIST ARYANISTS WERE CORRECT ABOUT ARYANISM OR THEY WERE NOT. ONE CANNOT SAY THAT THEY WERE WRONG WHEN THEIR RACIST IDEA WAS APPLIED TO INDIA AND THE INDIANS, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT WHEN THEY APPLIED THE SAME IDEAS TO THE HISTORY OF THE LEVANT, EGYPT AND THE MEDITERRANEAN. BLACK STUDIES SCHOLARS LIKE MARTIN BERNAL HAVE DONE TREMENDOUS WORK ON HOW THE ARYANISTS PURPOSELY OBSCURED THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE AFRICAN AND SEMITIC CONTRIBUTIONS TO EUROPEAN HIGH CIVILIZATION. IT IS TIME FOR THE PEOPLE OF INDIA TO COMPLETELY ABANDON ALL VESTIGES OF ANGLO-GERMANIC RACIST ARYANISM, AND STOP USING NONSENSE ARYANIST FICTIONS AGAINST THE AUTHENTIC JUDEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITION. LOOK AT ALL THE TROUBLE THE ARYANISTS' RACIST READING OF THE RAMAYANA IS CAUSING NOW ! PLEASE DEAR SISTERS AND BROTHERS, I IMPLORE YOU TO CUT YOURSELVES LOOSE FROM ARYOSOPHISM ENTIRELY ! IF YOU DOUBT MY IDENTIFICATION OF THIS ARYOSOPHIC ESOTERICISM WITH RACISM, PLEASE READ THE EXCELLENT RESEARCH ON THE UNIVERSITY OF VIENNA WEB SITE "THE HISTORY OF THEOSOPHY". YOUR ASPIRING SERVANT, BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI vediculture, Srinandan wrote: > > > >Srinandan@a... > >gvvijai@h... > >CC: MCremo@c..., vedic108@h..., y.r.rani@m..., > > rammadhav@r... > >Scholars of India's False History are a Dying Breed > >Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:44:39 EST > > > > SCHOLARS WHO BELIEVE IN THE FALSE > > HISTORY OF INDIA ARE A DYING BREED > > by Sri Nandanandana dasa (Stephen Knapp) > > > > Now that India has been free for a number of decades from British > >rule, > >researchers, historians, and archeologists can all begin to take a new look > >at the > >true history of India. We can have a more unbiased view of the numerous new > >findings that keep cropping up that give an increasingly accurate > >understanding > >of how ancient and how advanced was the Indian Vedic civilization. Now more > >than ever there is a serious lack of support and opposing evidence for the > >theories that were made popular by the British, such as the Aryan Invasion > >Theory, or that it was the invading Muslims who gave India the great > >contributions to Indian art, music, or even architecture with the > >construction of > >such buildings as the Taj Mahal, Delhi's Red Fort, Kutab Minar, and other > >buildings throughout India. With the newer and more accurate historical > >findings, > >many of these ideas are falling apart like a house of cards. > > Let us remember that the Aryan Invasion Theory, which was developed > >only within the last 200 years by the British and German Sanskritists and > >Indologists, presents the idea that the Vedic Aryans were not from India > >but > >invaded India from outside around 1500 BC or so. This, along with giving > >credit > >to other invaders for India's distinguished achievements, such as its great > >buildings and other cultural developments, was a work of false history and > >propaganda to help justify the continued rule of the British over Indians, > >since the > >Indians themselves were supposed to have invaded India thousands of years > >earlier. Indians were, after all, to be dominated so the British could > >continue to > >rape the land of its natural resources. Yet, some of these ideas remain the > >hypothesis for which all of Indian history is based, at least among those > >still > >influenced by what's left of the British form of indoctrination. > > However, these days there is much more evidence being presented by > >newer, younger and bolder researchers that show the falsity of these > >antiquated > >ideas. Furthermore, there are also more questions that are no longer > >answered > >by > >the old beliefs about India's history and the Aryan Invasion Theory. The > >theories > >of the old scholars are being overturned. > > We also see that new students of archeology and history are hesitant > >to > >accept these ideas in the face of the newer findings and evidence that keep > >being > >discovered, such as the latest discovery that ancient Indian civilization > >could date > >back to 9,000 years ago (January, 2002). > > I've even talked to some students who are informed about the truth of > >Indian history and archeology who confronted their professors about the > >outdated inaccuracies and overtly misleading information that they were > >teaching > >in schools and universities. One professor admitted that it was wrong, but > >she > >had to teach it because it was in the book the college was using and that's > >what > >she had to teach. > > I've even had friends discuss with educated Muslims the idea of the > >Taj > >Mahal not being built by the Muslim invaders but only capturing it, and > >they > >readily agreed that anyone who really knew their history would admit this > >was > >the case. There was no argument with this. India had the mathematics > >(Shulba > >Shastras) and architectural treatises and abilities, along with > >knowledgeable > >craftsmen, to have built such structures, while the invading Muslims did > >not > >bring > >such knowledge and facility. In fact, the chronicle of Al Biruni, who > >accompanied > >Mahmoud Ghazni, relates the surprise and awe of the Muslim invaders to see > >such buildings. Thus, they had to have already been in existence. > > It is interesting that the common laypersons are quicker to see the > >logic in > >the new research findings and in considering these new architectural > >discoveries > >than the academic scholars. The academicians who cling to such ideas tend > >not > >to > >write more books justifying what they teach, but seem to spend more time on > >trying to debunk, criticize or discredit the new findings or theories that > >seem > >more relevant and able to answer or put to rest the age-old questions. Just > >a > >few > >of these questions include: Where is the pre-Aryan language that existed if > >the > >people of India were not part of the Vedic culture? What existed in India > >before > >the Vedic culture, if it was brought by invaders? If the Vedic Aryans > >invaded > >the > >Indus region after 1500 BC, then how is it that the Vedas glorify the > >greatness of > >the Sarasvati River which is known to have dried up no later than 1800 BC? > >How did the Vedic Aryans know of the Sarasvati River at all, unless they > >were > >already there and a part of the advanced Vedic culture from thousands of > >years > >ago? How is it that Arabic and European countries were able to make > >advancements in mathematics only after they learned the numeric system that > >originated in India, now called the Arabic numerals, with its unique symbol > >of > >zero? Why, when we seriously look at the way the area of India, the Middle > >East > >and Europe developed, it appears that the advanced nature of society came > >from > >India rather than from outside and then back into it? When we read in the > >Puranas of the advanced organizational nature of the Vedic cities and their > >fabulous palaces and buildings such as in Dwaraka as found in the Bhagavat > >Purana, why should we think that India had no amazing structures before the > >Muslim invaders entered the country? Should we think that ancient Indians > >only > >lived in forests and tents? That's what it seems many academicians would > >have > >us > >believe. Anyway, these and other questions have not and can not be answered > >by > >the old ideas on India's history such as the Aryan Invasion Theory. > > So it is unfortunate that many of these academics still hold on to > >these > >ideas as the basis of their views. I was writing to one linguist in > >Australia > >who > >was opposing my presentations on Indian history and wanted me to admit the > >validity of his concepts. He was completely one-sided and very defensive. I > >didn't > >understand why until I realized he was defending himself personally. I > >stopped > >writing when it became obvious that the basis of his arguments came down to > >the > >Aryan Invasion Theory. The reason why some of these academics take this so > >personally is that they have the most to lose. The basis of their job, or > >their own > >identity, and their value to society and the whole basis of everything they > >thought > >they knew about history becomes threatened if it is proved that what they > >have > >been teaching is false. Nonetheless, on what substantial evidence did that > >linguist > >base his idea of history? Most of it is all circumstantial, and for a time > >the idea of > >the Aryan origins was changing with great rapidity at every new discovery, > >as > >it > >still does. Thus, there is no reason why they should not take a good look > >at > >the > >alternative suggestions and new evidence that is being presented lately, > >and > >which > >show that things could not have happened their way. > > The fact of the matter is, unfortunately, and as we can plainly see, > >much > >historical analysis is but a big ego trip; theories and opinions meant to > >do > >little > >more than support the premise of the superiority of one culture over > >another. > >There is a need to take a new look at reason and cultural development > >without > >this sort of interference of ego. > > Now more than ever before truth is prevailing, and the corruption of > >the > >British and Muslim theories and stories that have been put forth to demean > >India > >and the Indian race and its Vedic culture, is being recognized on an > >increasing > >scale. For this reason, the academics that still cling to such theories as > >the Aryan > >invasion are a dying breed. Maybe then we can be free from their > >closed-minded > >prejudice that came from the theories and attempted validations meant to do > >nothing but support the premise of the superiority of the European and > >Caucasian > >races over the darker skinned Indian people. > > Eventually, truth prevails. And after a few hundred years of ideas > >that > >were purposely contrived to demean the culture and history of India, we are > >now > >learning that the truth is quite different, and India was more advanced > >than > >the > >old British theories give it credit. And we can see that these old theories > >are > >falling by the way side. > > The threat to the Aryan Invasion Theory is coming as a surprise only > >to > >those who have not kept up with, or outrightly rejected, all the new > >evidence > >that > >is continually being uncovered, and all the new questions that cannot be > >substantiated by such concepts as the Aryan Invasion Theory. Thus, it is a > >revolution that is going in like a needle and out like a plow to propose > >that > >the > >Aryan Invasion is but a fictional account, and that the Muslims who invaded > >India > >merely captured the major monuments of India without really building them. > > So these proposals for rejecting the European conception of history > >are > >no different than the archeological evidence that was presented in > >Drutakarma's > >and Sadaputa's book on "Forbidden Archeology." Some people will accept it, > >or > >even applaud it, but many will call it preposterous. Of course, when their > >whole > >identity, their occupation of teaching, and their whole value system is > >being > >threatened, naturally they have no other option than to disagree or > >discredit. > >Many examples of people being discredited for their newer findings have > >already > >been presented in "Forbidden Archeology." And it is a real shame that true > >understanding is throne out when it does not mix with the theories of the > >establishment. Their bias is there from the beginning. > > As time goes on, more and more evidence will accumulate to show the > >truth of India's Vedic history. As the evidence mounts, the old theories > >will > >slip > >away and anyone still clinging to such ideas as the Aryan invasion or the > >false > >history of India's architectural structures will only look foolish. It is > >taking some > >time to reveal this truth, but out of all the cultures of the world, it is > >India that > >has best withstood the tests of time and remains the oldest living culture > >in > >the > >world. And this is not due to remaining dependent on the views of outsiders > >who > >think they know India's culture and history better than Indians, or those > >who > >still > >are influenced by the stories of India from invaders and dominators who > >disliked > >or even despised India and its people. Now is the time for those of us > >connected > >with, or who appreciate, India's historical and Vedic culture to work to > >reveal > >the true and advanced nature of India, which was already in existence > >before > >the > >credits of its wonders were attempted to be taken by outsiders. > > [More articles can be viewed at: http://www.stephen- knapp.com] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 Jai Srila Prabhupada Hare Krsna Actually that which you saw was never meant to be sent. It was a miss keyed situation. Should not have went out. I thought it went in the garbage. I hope that you will excuse the out burst as it was not fitting and I do not intend on engageing in a discussion with you on the subject of vedic culture as explained in Srila Prabhupada's books yet. Mahesh Prabhu has shown me a nice referance about varnasrama-dharma as given to Prabhupada's senior men at the time. But to no avail, it was never instituted. There in lies the fault and the root of the devotee's distress. As I am learning, varnasrama-dharma is the real reform of the vaisnava world. The missing link as it were. But only as it is given by Srila Prabhupada. I am doing more studying this week and would be ready after that to carry on with this further. For this purpose I will need some time, a week or ten days. Again that e-mail should not have went out and I ask that you disregard the negativity that I imposed on you. Sometimes my past life interjects itself where it should not. At your feet I ask forgiveness. Hare Krsna, Bhakta Traveler > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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