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Dear Maharajas, Matajis and Prabhus,

 

Hare Krsna!

 

I recently wrote the following article for VNN. It is actually a slightly

edited version of a more specific response to a bhaktin's letter on Chakra.

Seeing as women's issues are sorely in need of being addressed

wholeheartedly throughout our movement, I thought I would send it to you

here.

 

I'd appreciate any comments you may have. I'd appreciate it if you added me

as a receiver (i.e. mailing me directly too), as due to the large number of

posting on the Groups, I cannot always spot replies.

 

Your servant,

Rama Kesava dasa

 

 

---------- Forwarded Message ----------

 

WOMEN GURUS? WHY NOT?

by Rama Kesava dasa

 

(VNN #7349)

 

EDITORIAL, May 26 (VNN) - Dear devotees,

 

Recently I saw a letter from a bhaktin asking about the status of women in

our movement, and what options she had if she found the females to be more

inspirational. She raised good and valid points, and I was surprised that

these issues, and in particular that of female gurus, had not been addressed

earlier.

 

It is very unfortunate that brahmacari men are increasingly becoming

ignorant of the proper respect they should give women. The answer "I'm a

brahmacari" is hardly a gentlemanly one, smacking of one person being better

than another. It is therefore understandable that sometimes bhaktins derive

more inspiration and solace from the ladies. Whilst physical disposition

should not be the primary grounds of choosing a guru, it understandable why

this bhaktin questions that there are not lady gurus to choose from.

 

Indeed this question is one that a good many other new bhaktas and bhaktins

must ask. Why do we have no female spiritual masters in our society? Indeed

the Gaudiya tradition has seen some, yet it seems we have had none in recent

times. I believe this is part of a larger problem endemic to our movement,

in which there is a fundamental lack of balance between men and women.

 

However, this is far too large an issue to go in to here. In short the roles

of women and of other segments of the devotional community have often been

minimized, in favor of the larger segments, e.g. the male brahmacaris and

sannyasis.

 

I am not suggesting any magical "empowerment" of any particular segment of

society, but would rather stress education of people's options. For example,

people should be aware that gurus do not have to be sannyasis (those in the

renounced order), or even male. In Vaisnava theology there is division as

regards women taking up sannyasa. Whilst we have the examples of Sulabha and

Amba in the Mahabharata, some brahminical writers supported the idea, some

did not. However, asrama status aside, there are clear examples of women

acting as instructing siksa-gurus and initiating diksa-gurus. Jahnavi Devi,

Nityananda Prabhu's wife, was an initiating spiritual master in our lineage

with a number of disciples. She was very special to Bhaktivinode Thakura,

and her bathing spot at Radha-Kunda is still there for all to see. And the

pious Gangamata Gosvamini set an example of renunciation and austerity, and

initiated men with the Radha-Krsna mantra of ten syllables.

 

It would behoove temple authorities to educate bhaktas and bhaktins to

realize that there is not some list of "approved" gurus in ISKCON, but

rather a policy of such persons being granted a "no objection" status by the

GBC (Governing Body Commission). If a name is submitted to the GBC, then

provided there are less than three dissenting voices, after 6 months such a

person may accept disciples. Such a concept is actually fairly liberal and

non-limiting. It is therefore important that people are educated on its

application. However, the fact that someone who we take inspiration and

instruction from is not on a "list" does not preclude him or her from acting

as the active agent of divinity in our lives. The guru is the manifestation

of the divine in our lives, and is there to inspire us in our hearts.

 

In short, if someone inspires us and we should like to take instruction of

them, then the distinction of what gender they are should not enter into the

equation. We should be able to do so without hindrance. The current lack of

women gurus is more a social issue; however, if the person that inspires

devotees the most, is a lady and not on that "list", then why can't they

petition the GBC to grant such a status to her?

 

Spiritual qualifications should come first, so we should consult Rupa

Goswami's Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, the great legacy of Srila Prabhupada's

instructions, and other Vaisnava acaryas. In the Bhagavad-gita Sri Krsna

instructs:-

 

"Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from

him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can

impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth." (4.34)

 

If, having done so, a women is found to be that person, there is nothing,

except conformity, that says a person cannot take initiation from her.

 

Anyone who is qualified can become guru.

 

Your servant,

Rama Kesava dasa

rama.kesava.bvts

 

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Hare Krishna!

 

Dear Rama Kesava Prabhu

 

Please accept my humble obeisances and all glories to Srila

Prabhupada.

 

To be honest I feel if we try to approach Srila Prabhupada as our

spiritual master there will be no problems.

 

Best wishes

Hare Krishna

Kasim

 

vediculture, "Rama Kesava (das) BVTS (Edinburgh - UK)"

<nine9@u...> wrote:

> Dear Maharajas, Matajis and Prabhus,

>

> Hare Krsna!

>

> I recently wrote the following article for VNN. It is actually a

slightly

> edited version of a more specific response to a bhaktin's letter on

Chakra.

> Seeing as women's issues are sorely in need of being addressed

> wholeheartedly throughout our movement, I thought I would send it

to you

> here.

>

> I'd appreciate any comments you may have. I'd appreciate it if you

added me

> as a receiver (i.e. mailing me directly too), as due to the large

number of

> posting on the Groups, I cannot always spot replies.

>

> Your servant,

> Rama Kesava dasa

>

>

> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------

>

> WOMEN GURUS? WHY NOT?

> by Rama Kesava dasa

>

> (VNN #7349)

>

> EDITORIAL, May 26 (VNN) - Dear devotees,

>

> Recently I saw a letter from a bhaktin asking about the status of

women in

> our movement, and what options she had if she found the females to

be more

> inspirational. She raised good and valid points, and I was

surprised that

> these issues, and in particular that of female gurus, had not been

addressed

> earlier.

>

> It is very unfortunate that brahmacari men are increasingly becoming

> ignorant of the proper respect they should give women. The

answer "I'm a

> brahmacari" is hardly a gentlemanly one, smacking of one person

being better

> than another. It is therefore understandable that sometimes

bhaktins derive

> more inspiration and solace from the ladies. Whilst physical

disposition

> should not be the primary grounds of choosing a guru, it

understandable why

> this bhaktin questions that there are not lady gurus to choose from.

>

> Indeed this question is one that a good many other new bhaktas and

bhaktins

> must ask. Why do we have no female spiritual masters in our

society? Indeed

> the Gaudiya tradition has seen some, yet it seems we have had none

in recent

> times. I believe this is part of a larger problem endemic to our

movement,

> in which there is a fundamental lack of balance between men and

women.

>

> However, this is far too large an issue to go in to here. In short

the roles

> of women and of other segments of the devotional community have

often been

> minimized, in favor of the larger segments, e.g. the male

brahmacaris and

> sannyasis.

>

> I am not suggesting any magical "empowerment" of any particular

segment of

> society, but would rather stress education of people's options. For

example,

> people should be aware that gurus do not have to be sannyasis

(those in the

> renounced order), or even male. In Vaisnava theology there is

division as

> regards women taking up sannyasa. Whilst we have the examples of

Sulabha and

> Amba in the Mahabharata, some brahminical writers supported the

idea, some

> did not. However, asrama status aside, there are clear examples of

women

> acting as instructing siksa-gurus and initiating diksa-gurus.

Jahnavi Devi,

> Nityananda Prabhu's wife, was an initiating spiritual master in our

lineage

> with a number of disciples. She was very special to Bhaktivinode

Thakura,

> and her bathing spot at Radha-Kunda is still there for all to see.

And the

> pious Gangamata Gosvamini set an example of renunciation and

austerity, and

> initiated men with the Radha-Krsna mantra of ten syllables.

>

> It would behoove temple authorities to educate bhaktas and bhaktins

to

> realize that there is not some list of "approved" gurus in ISKCON,

but

> rather a policy of such persons being granted a "no objection"

status by the

> GBC (Governing Body Commission). If a name is submitted to the GBC,

then

> provided there are less than three dissenting voices, after 6

months such a

> person may accept disciples. Such a concept is actually fairly

liberal and

> non-limiting. It is therefore important that people are educated on

its

> application. However, the fact that someone who we take inspiration

and

> instruction from is not on a "list" does not preclude him or her

from acting

> as the active agent of divinity in our lives. The guru is the

manifestation

> of the divine in our lives, and is there to inspire us in our

hearts.

>

> In short, if someone inspires us and we should like to take

instruction of

> them, then the distinction of what gender they are should not enter

into the

> equation. We should be able to do so without hindrance. The current

lack of

> women gurus is more a social issue; however, if the person that

inspires

> devotees the most, is a lady and not on that "list", then why can't

they

> petition the GBC to grant such a status to her?

>

> Spiritual qualifications should come first, so we should consult

Rupa

> Goswami's Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, the great legacy of Srila

Prabhupada's

> instructions, and other Vaisnava acaryas. In the Bhagavad-gita Sri

Krsna

> instructs:-

>

> "Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master.

Inquire from

> him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized

souls can

> impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth." (4.34)

>

> If, having done so, a women is found to be that person, there is

nothing,

> except conformity, that says a person cannot take initiation from

her.

>

> Anyone who is qualified can become guru.

>

> Your servant,

> Rama Kesava dasa

> rama.kesava.bvts@p...

>

> ------- End of Forwarded Message ------

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