Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 >Thanks, Vamadeva for a very powerful statement. The likes of Prof. >Witzel are not mere jokers, but they are in influential, academic >positions linking up with Marxists and are bent upon debunking >everything about the heritage of Bha_rata ra_s.t.ra. > >Prof. Witzel seems to think that Bha_rata of ancient times was a >total vacuum space which was filled people bent upon 'aculturing' the >tribals. The civilizing people seem to have come from all directions: >from South East Asia, from Iran through Afghanistan and so on, >resulting in a new philology which explains the origin and evolution >of languages such as Mundarica, Tamil or Bhojpuri. So, read on, >autochtonous history of Bha_rata which has produced the world's >profound, most ancient text, named the R.gveda, is bunk as proved by >the new philology. > >Sure, nature abhors vacuum; but why should vacuum have existed only >in Bha_rata which was not even subject to the glacial age spreading >across vast continental space with ice sheets? > >Here is the latest about civilization study gone berserk thanks to a >learned professor from Harvard: > >Witzel's philology > > >Witzel has removed the Rigvedic Aryans from all but the corner of >north India according to his philological conclusions. Though the >Rigveda mentions samudra, the common Sanskrit term for ocean over 150 >times, as the goal of all rivers, as endless in extent and as >containing great waves, Witzel will not credit them with knowing the >ocean because according to him they didn't portray samudra with the >correct salt content! Though the Rigveda is centred on a great river >called Sarasvati located between the Yamuna and Sutlej (Shutudri) >that flows to the sea, Witzel would turn the real Sarasvati into a >small runoff stream in Afghanistan. That the Indian Sarasvati is the >site of the great majority of Harappan ruins doesn't count for him >either. > >While Witzel denied that there was any monsoon mentioned in the >Rigveda, when I showed him references, he conveniently placed this >Vedic monsoon in the Caspian Sea. He has also located great Vedic >sages like Vasishta and Agastya in Afghanistan and nearby Iran, >though people in these regions seem to have no record of them or >their teachings. > >Vanishing Dravidians > >What does Witzel think happened in ancient India instead? According >to Witzel, the Harappans were a Para-Munda people related to the >current aborigines of the country. It was they who produced the great >cities and the seals of the Indus civilisation, neither Aryans nor >Dravidians who were both intruders from Central Asia. > >To quote a long article of his on this subject, "The language of the >pre-Rigvedic Indus civilisation, at least in the Panjab, was of a >(Para-) Austro-Asiatic nature (Early Sources for South Asian >Substrate Languages by Michael Witzel, Mother Tongue, Special Issue, >Oct. 1999, pg. 17)." He further claims that "This means Haryana and >Uttar Pradesh once had a Para-Munda population that was acculturated >by the Indo-Aryans" (p.46). Note the former barbaric invading Aryan >hordes have now been reduced to clever perpetrators of >`acculturalisation.' > >How does Witzel know all this? Has he produced any decipherment of >the Indus seals? No, he hasn't dared to. Has he found any ancient >Munda records of this type? They are no ancient Munda records of any >type. Are his conclusions based upon skeletal remains? No, it all >based on his philology. > >As aboriginal people, the Mundas have no written records or recorded >history. Where they came from and what they spoke in the Harappan era >is quite speculative. Such problems don't bother Witzel. His >philology can reconstruct unrecorded languages over a period of five >thousand years and can override what geology or archaeology might >otherwise indicate. With his Munda Harappa, Witzel has the Dravidians >entering into Sindh from Iran about the same period as he has the >Vedic Aryans coming into the Panjab from Afghanistan (c. 1500 BCE). >Like the Vedic Aryans he deems them to be illiterate semi- >nomads. "The Dravida entered South Asia from the Iranian highlands. >Their oldest vocabulary (Southworth and McAlpin) is that of a semi- >nomadic, pastoral group, not of an agricultural community" (pg. 27). >Later he states, "Dravidians were not a primary factor in the >population of the Indus civilisation," and "the Dravidians apparently >were just as foreign to Sindh and its agriculture as the Indo-Aryans >to the Panjab" (pg. 37, note this entire section on Dravidian >Immigration). He claims the evidence for this is all in the >philology, mainly from reconstructing proposed Dravidian and Munda >loan words in Vedic texts. > >Yes, in the Witzel world it was the aborigines that produced the >great civilisation of ancient India and both the Aryans and >Dravidians were later uncivilised immigrants from Central Asia who >conquered them, stole their culture, replaced their languages and >gave them no credit! He has the Dravidians supplanting the Harappan >people in Sindh just as the Aryans supplanted them in Panjab. From >there he has the Dravidians migrate south, while the Aryans mainly >went east, both remarkably preserving their own languages and >becoming the dominant peoples of their areas, though originally just >small groups of illiterate nomadic migrants! > >Not content with one Aryan invasion/migration, Witzel requires a >second Dravidian invasion/migration to go along with it! In a non- >published proposal of his, he even says that the Munda languages also >came to India from S.E. Asia! It seems that anywhere in the world but >India can produce languages or peoples. > >While these aborigines produced the great Harappan cities and lost >all remembrance of their literature and civilisation, he allows the >great Vedic literature no real civilisation of its own. The >Dravidians fare no better. Their Sangam literature is later and by >his account even more suspect than the Vedas. > >Witzel quotes favourably a statement at the beginning of this rather >long article about India's role as "the cultural diffusion cul-de-sac >of Asia" (p.1), an idea that has "kept me occupied on and off over >the past few years." This sums up Witzel's view of Indian >civilisation — it is the cultural backwater and dead end of Asia, >where wandering nomads can go no further, with no real civilisation >of its own. > >Not surprisingly Witzel has little appreciation for the Vedas, >Vedanta, Yoga, Buddhism or anything else India has produced. His >extensive bibliographies on ancient India seldom refer to any Indian >scholars, and certainly avoid mentioning any yogis like Aurobindo who >have different views. You would never find Witzel chanting Om, >practicing Yoga or in any other way honouring the great traditions of >the region. His anti-India views reflect those of the colonial era >which he is continuing. For this reason Witzel is mainly honoured by >Marxists in India whose political agenda favours rejecting anything >great not only in the Vedas but in Indian civilisation as a whole, >which many Marxists following Marx himself see as an invention of the >British. However, no one who really studies and loves the Vedas will >be fooled by such theatrics. There is much more to the Vedas than >Witzel's philology. For my more detailed response to Witzel, please >note the web site, > > > >------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> >4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now >http://us.click./pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/0EHolB/TM >---~-> > >To from this group, send an email to: >HinduThought > > > >Your use of is subject to Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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