WHY USE THE VULGATE AND DOUAY-RHEIMS BIBLE ?

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WHY USE THE VULGATE AND DOUAY-RHEIMS BIBLE ?

Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:18:46 -0700

IN THE CATHOLIC BIBLE, THE GOD OF THE JEWS APPEARS AS KALKI, KRISHNA AND

BALARAMA IN HIS GREAT TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM, TO CHASTISE THE GREEK AMBASSADOR

HELIODORUS. HELIODORUS REPENTS AND MAKES VOWS TO GOD. PLEASE NOTE THAT IN THE

SAME HISTORICAL TIME PERIOD, A GREEK AMBASSADOR OF THE SAME RANK AND NAME HAS A

VOTIVE COLUMN ERECTED IN HIS NAME, TO SRI KRISHNA IN INDIA ! THUS WE SEE

EVIDENCE OF THE DIRECT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE WORSHIP OF ELI OR TOB-YAHU IN

JERUSALEM, AND THAT OF HARI AND VASUDEVA IN INDIA DURING THAT ERA.

THE SECOND BOOK OF MACHABEES

This second book of MACHABEES is not a continuation of the history contained in

the first: nor does is come down so low as the first does: but relates many of

the same facts more at large, and adds other remarkable particulars, omitted in

the first book, relating to the state of the Jews, as well before as under the

persecution of ANTIOCHUS. The author, who is not the same with that of the

first book, has given (as we learn from chap. 2.20, etc.) a short abstract of

what JASON of Cyrene had written in the five volumes, concerning JUDAS and his

brethren. He wrote in Greek, and begins with two letters, sent by the Jews of

Jerusalem to their brethren in Egypt.

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2 Machabees Chapter 3

Heliodorus is sent by king Seleucus to take away the treasures deposited in the

temple. He is struck by God, and healed by the prayers of the high priest. 3:1.

Therefore, when the holy city was inhabited with all peace, and the laws as yet

were very well kept, because of the godliness of Onias, the high priest and the

hatred his soul had of evil,

3:2. It came to pass that even the kings themselves and the princes esteemed the

place worthy of the highest honour, and glorified the temple with very great

gifts:

3:3. So that Seleucus, king of Asia, allowed out of his revenues all the charges

belonging to the ministry of the sacrifices.

Seleucus... Son of Antiochus the Great, and elder brother of Antiochus Epiphanes.

3:4. But one Simon, of the tribe of Benjamin, who was appointed overseer of the

temple, strove in opposition to the high priest, to bring about some unjust

thing in the city.

3:5. And when he could not overcome Onias, he went to Apollonius, the son of

Tharseas, who at that time was governor of Celesyria, and Phenicia:

3:6. And told him, that the treasury in Jerusalem was full of immense sums of

money, and the common store was infinite, which did not belong to the account

of the sacrifices: and that it was possible to bring all into the king’s hands.

3:7. Now when Apollonius had given the king notice concerning the money that he

was told of, he called for Heliodorus, who had the charge over his affairs, and

sent him with commission to bring him the foresaid money.

3:8. So Heliodorus forthwith began his journey, under a colour of visiting the

cities of Celesyria and Phenicia, but indeed to fulfil the king’s purpose.

3:9. And when he was come to Jerusalem, and had been courteously received in the

city by the high priest, he told him what information had been given concerning

the money: and declared the cause for which he was come: and asked if these

things were so indeed.

3:10. Then the high priest told him that these were sums deposited, and

provisions for the subsistence of the widows and the fatherless:

3:11. And that some part of that which wicked Simon had given intelligence of

belonged to Hircanus, son of Tobias, a man of great dignity; and that the whole

was four hundred talents of silver, and two hundred of gold.

3:12. But that to deceive them who had trusted to the place and temple which is

honoured throughout the whole world, for the reverence and holiness of it, was

a thing which could not by any means be done.

3:13. But he, by reason of the orders he had received from the king, said, that

by all means the money must be carried to the king.

3:14. So on the day he had appointed, Heliodorus entered in to order this

matter. But there was no small terror throughout the whole city.

3:15. And the priests prostrated themselves before the altar in their priests’

vestments, and called upon him from heaven, who made the law concerning things

given to be kept, that he would preserve them safe, for them that had deposited

them.

3:16. Now whosoever saw the countenance of the high priest, was wounded in

heart: for his face, and the changing of his colour, declared the inward sorrow

of his mind.

3:17. For the man was so compassed with sadness and horror of the body, that it

was manifest to them that beheld him, what sorrow he had in his heart.

3:18. Others also came flocking together out of their houses, praying and making

public supplication, because the place was like to come into contempt.

3:19. And the women, girded with haircloth about their breasts, came together in

the streets. And the virgins also that were shut up, came forth, some to Onias,

and some to the walls, and others looked out of the windows.

3:20. And all holding up their hands towards heaven made supplication.

3:21. For the expectation of the mixed multitude, and of the high priest, who

was in an agony, would have moved any one to pity.

3:22. And these indeed called upon almighty God, to preserve the things that had

been committed to them safe and sure for those that had committed them.

3:23. But Heliodorus executed that which he had resolved on, himself being

present in the same place with his guard about the treasury.

3:24. But the spirit of the Almighty God gave a great evidence of his presence,

so that all that had presumed to obey him, falling down by the power of God,

were struck with fainting and dread.

3:25. For there appeared to them a horse, with a terrible rider upon him,

adorned with a very rich covering: and he ran fiercely and struck Heliodorus

with his fore feet, and he that sat upon him seemed to have armour of gold.

3:26. Moreover there appeared two other young men, beautiful and strong, bright

and glorious, and in comely apparel: who stood by him, on either side, and

scourged him without ceasing with many stripes.

3:27. And Heliodorus suddenly fell to the ground, and they took him up, covered

with great darkness, and having put him into a litter, they carried him out.

3:28. So he that came with many servants, and all his guard, into the aforesaid

treasury, was carried out, no one being able to help him, the manifest power of

God being known.

3:29. And he indeed, by the power of God, lay speechless, and without all hope of recovery.

3:30. But they praised the Lord, because he had glorified his place: and the

temple, that a little before was full of fear and trouble, when the Almighty

Lord appeared, was filled with joy and gladness.

3:31. Then some of the friends of Heliodorus forthwith begged of Onias, that he

would call upon the Most High to grant him his life, who was ready to give up

the ghost.

3:32. So the high priest, considering that the king might perhaps suspect that

some mischief had been done to Heliodorus by the Jews, offered a sacrifice of

health for the recovery of the man.

3:33. And when the high priest was praying, the same young men in the same

clothing stood by Heliodorus, and said to him: Give thanks to Onias the priest:

because for his sake the Lord hath granted thee life.

3:34. And thou having been scourged by God, declare unto all men the great works

and the power of God. And having spoken thus, they appeared no more.

3:35. So Heliodorus, after he had offered a sacrifice to God, and made great

vows to him, that had granted him life, and given thanks to Onias, taking his

troops with him, returned to the king.

3:36. And he testified to all men the works of the great God, which he had seen with his own eyes.

3:37. And when the king asked Heliodorus, who might be a fit man to be sent yet

once more to Jerusalem, he said:

3:38. If thou hast any enemy, or traitor to thy king dom, send him thither, and

thou shalt receive him again scourged, if so be he escape: for there is

undoubtedly in that place a certain power of God.

3:39. For he that hath his dwelling in the heavens, is the visiter and protector

of that place, and he striketh and destroyeth them that come to do evil to it.

3:40. And the things concerning Heliodorus, and the keeping of thc treasury, fell out in this manner

WHY USE OLDER CATHOLIC BIBLES?

HARI BOL FRIENDS !

 

PLEASE ACCEPT MY HUMBLE OBEISANCES.

 

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT EXAMPLE OF WHY IT IS ESSENTIAL TO USE THE VULGATE (OR

ITS EARLIER TRANSLATIONS) OR OTHER CATHOLIC (GREEK, ETC.) BIBLES INSTEAD OF

PROTESTANT OR PROTESTANT-INFLUENCED RECENT CATHOLIC ONES.

 

THE LATIN ST. JEROME USED IN THE VULGATE LEFT NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER THAT THE

THEOPHANY OF THE LORD IN THE STORY OF HELIODORUS IN MACHABEES WAS JUST THAT, AN

ACTUAL APPEARANCE OF GOD ! AS RECENTLY AS 100 YEARS AGO, TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC

COMMENTARIES ON THE SEPTUAGINT AND DEUTERO-CANONICAL ALEXANDRIAN CODEX STILL

ACCEPTED THAT THE EPIPHANY OR THEOPHANY IN 2 MACHABEES CHAPTER 3 WAS THE MOST

ASTOUNDING APPEARANCE OF GOD HIMSELF IN THE BIBLE !

 

THIS 'THEOPHANY' OF GODHEAD'S APPEARANCE, IS RETAINED IN THE DOUAY-RHEIMS, BUT

IN MORE MODERN BIBLES, EVEN SOME COUNTER-REFORMATION TYPE CATHOLIC ONES, THESE

APPEARANCES OF GOD HAVE BEEN REINTERPRETED AS MERELY ANGELIC APPEARANCES. THUS

MODERN ICONOCLASTIC IMPERSONALISM IN THE FORM OF 'GERMAN HIGHER TEXTUAL

CRITICISM' HAS BEEN CREEPING FROM PROTESTANTISM INTO THE CATHOLIC FAITH, AND

HAS NOW INFECTED SOME EDITIONS OF THE CATHOLIC BIBLE ITSELF !

 

THIS IS WHY I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO FIND OLDER CATHOLIC BIBLES, IN WHICH THERE

IS NO CORRUPTIVE PROTESTANT MODERNIST 'GERMAN HIGHER TEXTUAL CRITICISM' SCHOOL

INFLUENCE.

 

THE HELIODORUS STORY OF THE THEOPHANY OF GOD IN HIS GREAT TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM IS

SO CLEARLY THAT OF KALKI AVATARA, AND THEN SRI KRISHNA AND SRI BALARAMA, THAT

IT IS STUNNING ! AUTHENTIC CATHOLICISM PRESERVED THIS PROFOUND DOCUMENT FROM

THE INTER-RACIAL PROTO-CATHOLIC GREEK SEPTUAGINT 'OLD TESTAMENT' ALEXANDRIAN

TRADITION, BUT THE INVENTORS OF PROTESTANTISM REJECTED THAT ENTIRE TRADITION

AND USED LATE ANTI-PAGAN PALESTINIAN JEWISH SOURCES FOR THEIR RE-CREATION OF

THE BIBLE, WITHOUT THE EGYPTIAN, GREEK AND ROMAN 'PAGAN' INFLUENCES. THUS THE

PROTESTANTS CONSCIOUSLY SOUGHT, IN WRITING THEIR BIBLE, TO PURGE IT OF ALL

THESE SO-CALLED PAGAN INFLUENCES. THE RESULT IS THAT THEY CREATED A BIBLE

WHICH REFLECTS BOTH THE SPIRITUAL PRIDE AND PREJUDICE OF THE RACIALLY INSULAR

PALESTINIAN JEWS, WHO REJECTED JESUS, AND ONE THAT REFLECTED THEIR OWN LATE

ANTI-PAGAN (ANTI-AFRICAN,GREEK AND ROMAN), AND ANTI-SEMITIC ANGLO RACISM. THE

PROTESTANT REVOLUTIONARIES THUS RE-IMAGINED THEIR PATRIARCHAL HERO-JEWS AS SOME

KIND OF RACIST ANGLOS ! THEY APPROPRIATED THE ANTI-PAGAN PERSPECTIVE OF THE

PALESTINIAN JEWS, AND PRESSED IT INTO THE SERVICE OF THEIR ANGLO ANTI

ROMANISM. THUS THEY RE-IMAGINED ALL OF SALVATION HISTORY FROM THEIR

ANTI-SOUTHERN EUROPEAN (ANTI-PAGAN GREEK AND ROMAN) PERSPECTIVE.

 

ALL OF THE TRADITIONAL COMMENTARIES AND HISTORY THAT GO WITH THE PROTESTANT KING

JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE ALSO ARE OBSESSED WITH THE 'PAGANISM' OF ROME AND

CATHOLICISM, BUT IT IS THIS VERY 'PAGANISM' THAT IS AT THE HEART OF THE UNITED

SAMPRADAYAS OF LORD JESUS CHRIST'S CATHOLIC / UNIVERSAL MISSION TO UNITE ALL

THE BHAKTAS / PEOPLE OF GOD !

 

'FOR IN CHRIST THERE IS NO SLAVE OR FREE, JEW OR GENTILE' ETC.

 

THUS FOR US TO RECLAIM THE HISTORICAL CONTINUITY OF MEDITERRANEAN VAISHNAVISM

WITH CATHOLICISM, MEANS THAT WE MUST GO BACK PAST THE PERNICIOUS HISTORICAL

INFLUENCE OF PROTESTANTISM AND RECOVER THOSE PRECIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE FAITH

LOST, MINIMIZED OR OBSCURED BY PROTESTANTISM, ITS FORERUNNER GNOSTICISM, ITS

ALLY MOHAMMEDANISM, AND THE MODERNIST CATHOLIC CONCESSIONS TO THESE

CORRUPTIONS.

 

THIS RECLAMATION BEGINS WITH REJECTING THE PROTESTANT BIBLE AND READING THE

OLDER CATHOLIC VERSIONS, WHICH ALL RETAIN THE SUPREMELY IMPORTANT DOCTRINE /

REVELATION OF GODHEAD AS 'THEOPHANY' OR 'EPIPHANY' IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND

DEUTERO-CANONICAL TEXTS / APOCRYPHA. PLEASE READ THE STORY OF HELIODORUS AND

THE THEOPHANY OF GOD IN MACHABEES. EVERY VAISHNAVA INTERESTED IN JUDAISM OR

CHRISTIANITY SHOULD KNOW THIS STORY ! HELIODORUS WAS ALSO A VERY REAL

HISTORICAL FIGURE, KNOWN FROM EXTRA BIBLICAL SOURCES DUE TO HIS INVOLVEMENT

WITH THE SELEUCID EMPEROR. ALSO, THE FAMOUS HELIODORUS COLUMN TO KRISHNA IN

ANCIENT INDIA WAS APPARENTLY ERECTED IN HIS NAME !

 

IF YOU CAN READ ABOUT THE MIRACULOUS TRANSLATION OF THE SEPTUAGINT AT THE GREAT

SERAPEUM IN ALEXANDRIA, AND THE ASTOUNDING WORK OF ST. JEROME, ONE OF THE MOST

DEVOTED AND BRILLIANT MEN WHO EVER LIVED, YOU WILL BENEFIT GREATLY. ST. JEROME

DID SIDE-BY-SIDE POLYGLOT COMPARISONS AND TRANSLATIONS OF ALL THE KNOWN TEXTS OF

THE BIBLE AVAILABLE TO HIM. HE COMPARED THE ANCIENT LANGUAGES LIKE CHALDEAN,

HEBREW, OLD TESTAMENT GREEK ETC. IN A MOST MINUTE AND EXACTING WAY, AND

PRESERVED THE ANCIENT TRADITIONS, EVEN WHEN THESE SEEMED CONTRADICTORY. IN

OTHER WORDS, HE PRESENTED THE TEXT 'AS IT IS' JUST LIKE SRILA PRABHUPADA

PRESENTED THE REAL BHAGAVAD-GITA TO US !

 

THIS IS THE WAY TO PRESERVE AND PRESENT SACRED TRADITION, WITHOUT ESSENTIAL

CHANGE AND WITH METICULOUS REFERENCE TO THE TRADITIONAL COMMENTARIES (SADHU),

WHEN IT COMES TO ANY MATTER OF MEANING !

 

I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU A LITTLE TO UNDERSTAND MY PERSPECTIVE. I LEARNED THE

INVIOLABLE PRINCIPLE OF GURU, SHASTRA AND SADHU (G S S) FROM OUR BELOVED SRILA

PRABHUPADA, AND IT APPLIES IN ANY HISTORICAL FIELD WHERE ONE IS TRYING TO LEARN

ABOUT ANY DISCIPLINE OR SCHOOL OF THOUGHT. THOUGHT, RELIGIOUS OR OTHERWISE,

FLOWS IN BOTH WELL-DEFINED CHANNELS AND UNCONTROLLED FLOODS THROUGH ALL OF

HISTORY. IF WE WANT TO DISCOVER AND STUDY IN THE DEEP CHANNELS OF ANCIENT

REVELATORY RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS, WE CANNOT WHIMSICALLY / ACCIDENTALLY OR

PURPOSELY STRAY OUTSIDE OF THESE ALL OVER THE PLACE, AS IF THERE WAS NO SUCH

THING AS THE TRADITION. WE MUST EXAMINE THESE G S S TRADITIONS AS THEY ARE,

AND ACCEPT THEIR CANON OF SCRIPTURE, "AS IT IS". WITHOUT ADHERING TO THIS

PRINCIPLE, WE WOULD BE INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING GAUDIYA VAISHNAVISM AS IT IS.

WE WOULD BE DOOMED TO MIXING IT IN AND CONFUSING IT WITH EVERY OTHER FORM OF

'HINDUISM'. WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER. WE CANNOT

HOPE TO UNDERSTAND SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU FROM SOURCES AND COMMENTARIES

OUTSIDE OF HIS OWN APOSTOLIC TRADITION, SO WHY DO WE THINK IT IS OK TO GO TO

OUTSIDERS TO UNDERSTND THE PERSON AND SALVIFIC LILA OF LORD JESUS CHRIST ?

EACH TRADITION MUST BE APPROACHED AS IT IS.

 

OFFICIAL CATHOLIC STATEMENT REGARDING THE PRINCIPLE OF GURU, SHASTRA AND SADHU

 

The Vatican Council II in Dei Verbum (10), put it this way: "It is clear,

therefore, that in the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition,

sacred Scripture, and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and

associated that one of them cannot stand without the others. Working together,

each in its own way under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute

effectively to the salvation of souls."

 

ALL GLORIES TO GURU, SHASTRA AND SADHU !

 

PAX AND PREMA !

 

YOUR ASPIRING SERVANT, BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI