Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 How does one proof documents contain original teachings or not ? I am so tired of everybody (historians as well as indologists) say one cannot proof or disprove "The Mahatma Letters " are concocted or not. So for once I have brought up the matter on "Indiancivilisation" list. It is a rather pro-Annie Besant list, but it has more then seven hundred people. People have been able to show the "protocols" have been concocted why for the historical record can one not show this concerning The Mahatma Letters ? If anybody can show this by giving concrete examples why, pls post in answer to: IndianCivilization/message/28578 The "Mahatma Letters" to Newspaper editor A.P. Sinnet in British India : "The highest race (physical intellectuality) is the last sub-race of the fifth -- yourselves the white conquerors. The majority of mankind belongs to the seventh sub-race of the fourth Root race, Chinamen and their off-shoots and branchlets (Malayans, Mongolians, Tibetans, Javanese, etc., etc., etc.) and remnants of other sub-races of the fourth and the seventh sub-race of the third race. All these, fallen, degraded semblances of humanity." Brian Muehlbach (University of Vienna) For sample Mahatma Letter see: http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/mahatmal.html Bhakti Ananda Goswami, Interfaith Committee organizer, World Vaishnava Organization: H.P. Blavatsky always assumed Arya meant white as in "white" race. What difference does it make if she used the term "white or the term "Aryan," when to her they meant the same thing? Whether they are called the Aryan or White Brotherhood or Aryan or White Ascended Masters or "Mastered Beings" (currently popular New Age term) makes no difference if Arayan means white race. The whole root races idea is based on the erroneous premise that Arya in the Sanskrit literatures means "white race." The great tragedy is in part that HPB and friends had mastered something, and had made some interesting and useful connections for their day. They were uniquely placed by privilege and equipped by intelligence and education to perform a real service to mankind, but their enormous egos and other character faults, including ethno- centrism pervaded their work and spoiled their efforts. They must have had a contempt for the people they defrauded on a continuous basis, while feigning humility, they sought the triumph of their "Masters" over all of human history and the transcendent Godhead of the great religions himself. The fact is that there is nothing in the Mahatma letters, which could not have been penned by HPB and her educated cohorts. Nothing. The "wisdom" in them is not evidence of a superior knowledge and vision, possessed and seen by ancient beings or ageless beings outside of time. It is the information/knowledge base of persons with a distinct time-limited frame of reference. Projecting their victorian era esoteric world-view back onto the history of thought, the authors appear to be woefully deficient in understanding their "own" so-called Indian sacred traditions. The speculations of the so-called Masters, about ancient Egyptian and Indian thought, were quite limited to the information available to HPB and friends. Their own esoteric studies in Rosicrucianism, Masonry and spiritism etc. and wide reading in religion, history, philosophy and the science of their day, was enough to form the knowledge-base evident in all of the Mahatma letters and HPB's books. Beyond this information, there is nothing, nothing there. They claim to be Masters of ancient Indian or "Esoteric Buddhist" tradition, or whatever, but give no evidence of any real mastery of these traditions at all. At best they appear to be highly educated Westerners and undisciplined Hindu-Buddhist neophytes. Their "voice" is all wrong for real ancient adepts, and the masterful content of their letters is laughable. I will ask "what are the authors of these letters the Masters of? If these letters are their credentials, then what is their apparent qualification for teaching? Where is the proof in the letters that these "Mahatmas" are what and who they say they are? If they knew the truth about "Indian" and Egyptian traditions etc. back then, then why did they teach so much utter nonsense and mislead people?" The "Masters" can be exposed just by examining their claimed expertise. What knowledge is evident in "their" letters? Let us give these "Masters" an exam on real-world Indo-Asian or Egyptian traditions. They will fail. Do you think that they will show-up again to explain to the world why they failed? Surely their self-deluded chelas will rationalize their errors and omissions and contradictions, but anyone, who not so enthralled to them, will see that the "Masters" were masters of exactly what HPB and friends were masters of, and nothing more. I hope to go through some of the Mahatmas' letters to give examples of the above mentioned errors, omissions, contradictions, limitations, "voice" problems and other evidence of the so-called Masters' true identity and qualifications. They were in a sense masters of whatever it was that HBP and friends had mastered...the Western esoteric "wisdom" of their time. However they were rank neophytes when it came to many things that the Mahatmas' claimed mastery of. Thus the "Masters" should be tested on these things. They made the claim of mastery, let them explain themselves. 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