JESUS CHRIST PREDICTS THE APPEARANCE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA

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JESUS CHRIST PREDICTS THE APPEARANCE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA JESUS PROMISES THE HOLY

SPIRIT (SRILA PRABHUPADA)JOHN 14:16 THRU18"And I will ask the Father, and he

will give you ANOTHER Counsellor to bewith you for ever---the Spirit of

truth.The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him.

Butyou know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. "Note: Srila

Prabhupada the liberated devotee makes his appearance.CC Adi

1.58TRANSLATIONSince one cannot visually experience the presence of the

Supersoul, Heappears before us as a liberated devotee. Such a spiritual master

is noneother than Krsna Himself.PURPORTIt is not possible for a conditioned

soul to directly meet Krsna, theSupreme Personality of Godhead, but if one

becomes a sincere devotee andseriously engages in devotional service, Lord

Krsna sends an instructingspiritual master to show him favor and invoke his

dormant propensity forserving the Supreme. The preceptor appears before the

external senses ofthe fortunate conditioned soul, and at the same time the

devotee is guidedfrom within by the caittya-guru, Krsna, who is seated as the

spiritualmaster within the heart of the living entity.JOHN 14:26"But the

Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name,will teach

you all things and will remind you of everything I have said toyou."Note: Srila

Prabhupada is teaching the same message : how to serve krishnathrough the

transparent via medium-- his books(instructions). CC Adi 1.35If there is no

chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devoteeshould serve him by

remembering his instructions. There is NO DIFFERENCEbetween the spiritual

master's instructions and the spiritual masterhimself. In his absence,

therefore, his words of direction should be thepride of the disciple.JOHN 15:26

"When the Counsellor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, theSpirit

of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me."Note: Srila

Prabhupada testifying about Jesus Christ740628rc.MELWho will not respect Jesus

Christ? He sacrificed everything for God, even his life. So who is that rascal

that he'll not respect to JesusChrist. What did he do wrong to the human

society? He did everything forthe good of the human society. Oh, I have got

very, very, great respect forLord Jesus Christ.690923BA.LONScriptures are also

different. Because scriptures are made according totime, circumstances, people.

Just like Bible. Bible Lord Jesus Christpreached in the desert, Jerusalem. Or

where it is? People who were not soadvanced. Therefore his first instruction is

"Thou shall not kill." Thatmeans they were very much engaged in killing affairs;

otherwise, why isthis instruction? And actually, it so happened that they killed

JesusChrist. So that society was not very enlightened society. So a scripture

for a society which is not very enlightened and a scripture for a society

which is very enlightened must be different. Just like a dictionary. Forthe

schoolboy, a pocket dictionary. And for a college student,international, big

dictionary. Both of them are dictionaries. But the smallpocket dictionary is

not equal to the big dictionary. Because it isdifferent made for different

classes of men. So scriptures are madeaccording to different classes of men.

There are three classes of men:first-class, second-class, and third-class. The

third-class man cannotunderstand the philosophy and scriptural injunctions of

the first-classman. That is not possible. Higher mathematics cannot be

understood by thesmall schoolboys who are simply trying to understand "Two plus

two equal tofour." But "Two plus two equal to four" is equally good to the

highermathematics student. But still, higher mathematics and lower math

isdifferent.THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (SRILA PRABHUPADA)JOHN

16:7THRU15"Unless I go away, the Counsellor will not come to you; but If I go,

I willsend him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt

inregard to sin and righteousness and judgement: in regard to sin, becausemen

do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going tothe

Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgement,because the

prince of this world now stands condemned."Note: It is significant Jesus Christ

is saying, "unless I go away…."heappears to be very eager to present his

SUCCESSOR for the significantchange to follow in the impious lives of the

people. On this point it isnote worthy to remember the prayer offered to Srila

Prabhupada: nirvesesasunyavadi pascatya desa tarine"YOU are delivering the

WESTERN countries, filled with impersonalism andvoidism.Also, "…because men do

not believe in me" indicates they were not preparedto give up meat eating

---Thou shall not kill.Srila Prabhupada broke the four pillars of sinful life

(meat eating,gambling, intoxication and illicit sex). SPL Madhudvisa

70-01-26Actually, one who is advanced will not find any contradiction.

TheChristians teach love of Godhead, and we practically do it. So one has

tounderstand from the practical point of view. A man is judged by

hisactivities. We see that they are engaged in smoking habits, eating meat

andindulging in free mixing of boys and girls; these are not the activities

ofreligious persons. Lord Jesus said and the Bible also says, "Thou shalt

notKill." But they are eating meat. So we must see practically if someone

isleading a pure life and not be blinded by some sentiment. Our students

arestrictly observing the four rules or restraints from impure habits and

theyare factually living according to the highest standard of religious life.So

we are actually following the principles of pure living in KrishnaConsciousness,

but it appears that these followers of the Christianphilosophy have fallen down

from the transcendental platform."I have much more to say to you, MORE THAN YOU

CAN NOW BEAR. But when he,the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into ALL

TRUTH."Note: There are two points here (a) they could not bear any

moreinstruction (b) guidance in ALL TRUTHIn relation to (a) there is further

mention in the Bible:

 

(i) If you do not understand what is material, how will you understand

spiritual?(ii) I have many things to say unto you but your ears will not bear

them as yet.Thus, it evidently clear that the people to whom he preached to

were notadvanced.In relation to (b) ALL TRUTH—we find that it is ONLY Srila

Prabhupada whoactually gave COMPLETE information of the nature of the three

features ofthe Absolute Truth.BG CH2 text2Krsna and the Supreme Personality of

Godhead are identical. Therefore LordKrsna is referred to as "Bhagavan"

throughout the Gita. Bhagavan is theultimate in Absolute Truth. Absolute Truth

is realized in three phases ofunderstanding, namely Brahman, or the impersonal

all-pervasive spirit;Paramatma, or the localized aspect of the Supreme within

the heart of allliving entities; and Bhagavan, or the Supreme Personality of

Godhead, LordKrsna. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.2.11) this conception of the

AbsoluteTruth is explained thus:vadanti tat tattva-vidastattvam yaj jnanam

advayambrahmeti paramatmetibhagavan iti sabdyate"The Absolute Truth is realized

in three phases of understanding by theknower of the Absolute Truth, and all of

them are identical. Such phases ofthe Absolute Truth are expressed as Brahman,

Paramatma, and Bhagavan."These three divine aspects can be explained by the

example of the sun,which also has three different aspects, namely the sunshine,

the sun'ssurface and the sun planet itself. One who studies the sunshine only is

thepreliminary student. One who understands the sun's surface is

furtheradvanced. And one who can enter into the sun planet is the

highest.Ordinary students who are satisfied simply by understanding

thesunshine--its universal pervasiveness and the glaring effulgence of

itsimpersonal nature--may be compared to those who can realize only theBrahman

feature of the Absolute Truth. The student who has advanced stillfurther can

know the sun disc, which is compared to knowledge of theParamatma feature of

the Absolute Truth. And the student who can enter intothe heart of the sun

planet is compared to those who realize the personalfeatures of the Supreme

Absolute Truth. Therefore, the bhaktas, or thetranscendentalists who have

realized the Bhagavan feature of the AbsoluteTruth, are the topmost

transcendentalists, although all students who areengaged in the study of the

Absolute Truth are engaged in the same subjectmatter. The sunshine, the sun

disc and the inner affairs of the sun planetcannot be separated from one

another, and yet the students of the threedifferent phases are not in the same

category.The Sanskrit word bhagavan is explained by the great authority,

ParasaraMuni, the father of Vyasadeva. The Supreme Personality who possesses

allriches, all strength, all fame, all beauty, all knowledge and all

renunciation is called Bhagavan.SB 3.15.47TRANSLATIONWe know that You are the

Supreme Absolute Truth, the Personality ofGodhead, who manifests His

transcendental form in the uncontaminated modeof pure goodness. This

transcendental, eternal form of Your personality canbe understood only by Your

mercy, through unflinching devotional service,by great sages whose hearts have

been purified in the devotional way.PURPORTThe Absolute Truth can be understood

in three features—impersonal Brahman,localized Paramatma, and Bhagavan, the

Supreme Personality of Godhead. Hereit is admitted that the Supreme Personality

of Godhead is the last word inunderstanding the Absolute Truth. Even though the

four Kumaras wereinstructed by their great learned father, Brahma, they could

not actuallyunderstand the Absolute Truth. They could only understand the

SupremeAbsolute Truth when they personally SAW the Personality of Godhead

withtheir own eyes. In other words, if one sees or understands the

SupremePersonality of Godhead, the other two features of the Absolute

Truth—namelyimpersonal Brahman and localized Paramatma—are also

automaticallyunderstood. Therefore the Kumaras confirm: "You are the ultimate

AbsoluteTruth." The impersonalist may argue that since the Supreme Personality

ofGodhead was so nicely decorated, He was therefore not the Absolute Truth.But

here it is confirmed that all the variegatedness of the absoluteplatform is

constituted of Suddha-sattva, pure goodness. In the materialworld, any

quality—goodness, passion or ignorance—is contaminated. Even thequality of

goodness here in the material world is not free from tinges ofpassion and

ignorance. But in the transcendental world, only pure goodness,without any

tinge of passion or ignorance, exists; therefore the form ofthe Supreme

Personality of Godhead and His variegated pastimes andparaphernalia are all

pure sattva-guna. Such variegatedness in puregoodness is exhibited eternally by

the Lord for the satisfaction of thedevotee. The devotee does not want to see

the Supreme Personality ofAbsolute Truth in voidness or impersonalism. In one

sense, absolutetranscendental variegatedness is meant only for the devotees,

not forothers, because this distinct feature of transcendental variegatedness

canbe understood only by the mercy of the Supreme Lord and not by

mentalspeculation or the ascending process. It is said that one can

understandthe Supreme Personality of Godhead when one is even slightly favored

byHim; otherwise, without His mercy, a man may speculate for thousands ofyears

and not understand what is actually the Absolute Truth. This mercycan be

perceived by the devotee when he is completely freed fromcontamination. It is

stated, therefore, that only when all contamination isrooted out and the

devotee is completely detached from material attractionscan he receive this

mercy of the Lord.Note: Bible also says: Blessed are the pure in the heart for

they shall SEEGod. So this fully corresponds to the above where the Kumaras SAW

God(Bhagavan realization)."He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what

he hears, and hewill tell you WHAT IS YET TO COME. "Note: Srila Prabhupada the

liberated devotee is giving the purports to theSrimad-Bhagavatam predicting

events to happen in the future. 730831.LONHamsaduta: Actually in the Bible

there's, someone mentions there thedescription that the Lord will come and He

will ride on a white steed, on awhite horse. And at that time he will kill all

the non-devotee people. It'salso in the Bible.Guest (1): Yes.Prabhupada: So

this Kalki, this incarnation of Krsna which comes at the endof this age, He's

described, He will come and ride on a white horse allover the world, and He

will...,Prabhupada: Kill.SB1.3.24Srimad-Bhagavatam was composed just prior to

the beginning of the age ofKali (about five thousand years ago), and Lord

Buddha appeared abouttwenty-six hundred years ago. Therefore in the

Srimad-Bhagavatam LordBuddha is foretold. Such is the authority of this clear

scripture. There

 

are many such prophecies, and they are being fulfilled one after another.

They will indicate the positive standing of Srimad-Bhagavatam, which iswithout

trace of mistake, illusion, cheating and imperfection, which arethe four flaws

of all conditioned souls. The liberated souls are abovethese flaws; therefore

they can see and foretell things which are to takeplace on distant future

dates.TRANSLATIONThereafter, at the conjunction of two yugas, the Lord of the

creation willtake His birth as the Kalki incarnation and become the son of

Visnu Yasha.At this time the rulers of the earth will have degenerated into

plunderers.PURPORTHere is another foretelling of the advent of Lord Kalki, the

incarnation ofGodhead. He is to appear at the conjunction of the two yugas,

namely at theend of Kali-yuga and the beginning of Satya-yuga. The cycle of the

fouryugas, namely Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali, rotates like the

calendarmonths. The present Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, out of which we

havepassed only 5,000 years after the Battle of Kurukshetra and the end of

theregime of King Pariksit. So there are 427,000 years balance yet to

befinished. Therefore at the end of this period, the incarnation of Kalkiwill

take place, as foretold in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. The name of Hisfather, Visnu

Yasha, a learned brahmana, and the village Sambhala are alsomentioned. As above

mentioned, all these foretellings will prove to befactual in chronological

order. That is the authority of Srimad-Bhagavatam.SB 5.2.1Srimad-Bhagavatam

predicts that in Kali-yuga the government will beentrusted with dasyu-dharma,

which means the occupational duty of roguesand thieves. Modern heads of state

are rogues and thieves who plunder thecitizens instead of giving them

protection. Rogues and thieves plunderwithout regard for law, but in this age

of Kali, as stated inSrimad-Bhagavatam, the lawmakers themselves plunder the

citizens. The nextprediction to be fulfilled, which is already coming to pass,

is thatbecause of the sinful activities of the citizens and the government,

rainwill become increasingly scarce. Gradually there will be complete

droughtand no production of food grains. People will be reduced to eating

fleshand seeds, and many good, spiritually inclined people will have to

forsaketheir homes because they will be too harassed by drought, taxation

andfamine. The Krsna consciousness movement is the only hope to save the

worldfrom such devastation. It is the most scientific and authorized

movementfor the actual welfare of the whole human society."He will bring glory

to me by taking from what is mine and making it knownto you. All that belongs

to the Father is mine. That is why I said theSpirit will take from what is mine

and make it known to you."Note: Krishna is the property of his pure devotee.

Jesus Christ said"Hallowed be Thy Name" and Srila Prabhupada gives us this

Name:Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare \Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare.Srila Prabhupada is the TRANSPARENT VIA-MEDIUM who gives us

krsna760714iv.nyBali-mardana: In other words, when you decide that someone is

tobe in charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this

personshould be in charge.Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this

personis qualified.Prabhupada: Yes, because a devotee always consults Krsna and

He givesorder.Interviewer: It's a more direct communication.Prabhupada: Yes. And

He gives order.

Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes

from Krsna. So if I have some...Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your

daily necessities come fromKrsna as well.Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand.

Suppose my intelligence sees that thisperson is qualified, that means Krsna has

told me.Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE

ALWAYSCONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, "DO LIKE THIS." NOT

FIGURATIVELY.Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and

otherkinds of activities as well?Prabhupada: Everything. Because a devotee does

not do anything withoutconsulting Krsna.Antya 5.71One is forbidden to accept the

guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinaryhuman being (gurusu nara-mati). When

Ramananda Raya spoke to PradyumnaMisra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that

Ramananda Raya was not anordinary human being. A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PERSON

WHO ACTS WITHAUTHORITY, AS THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, SPEAKS AS THE SUPREME

PERSONALITY OFGODHEAD DICTATES FROM WITHIN. THUS IT IS NOT HE THAT IS

PERSONALLYSPEAKING. WHEN A PURE DEVOTEE OR SPIRITUAL MASTER SPEAKS, WHAT HE

SAYSSHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS HAVING BEEN DIRECTLY SPOKEN BY THE SUPREMEPERSONALITY

OF GODHEAD IN THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM.Further analysis of JOHN 14:26"But the

counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my namewill teach you

ALL THINGS and will REMIND you of EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TOYOU.Note: Now we will

be able to see the demonstration by the Holy Spirit(Srila Prabhupada) of the

above.

DEMONSTRATION720901SB.NV LecturesSo sound is the original element of creation.

In Sanskrit language it iscalled sabda-brahma. Brahman, or the Absolute Truth,

is first appearedAbsolute Truth becomes knowable by sound. In the Bhagavad-gita

it is said,the Lord says, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh,

sabdah khe.Sabda means sound. If we want to see God, so let us hear first of

all thesound vibration, because that is the beginning. In the Bible also it

issaid, "The Lord said, 'Let there be creation,' and there was creation."

So"Let there be creation," this is sound, transcendental sound. So one whosays

this word, "Let there be creation," He is not within the creation.Because He,

God, is speaking, "Let there be creation740112mw.laPrajapati: ...from politics

to the world of theology. One of the mostmisunderstood passages in the western

scriptures, things that are..., mostspeculation about, is the beginning of the

Book of John, where it is said,"In the beginning was the word, and the word was

with God, and the word wasGod." And that Greek word is logos. And so many people

have said so manydifferent things about that passage. No one really understands

it.Prabhupada: They cannot understand the Absolute. GOD AND GOD'S WORD ARE

NOTDIFFERENT. OTHERWISE, WHY WE ARE AFTER BHAGAVAD-GITA? BECAUSE

BHAGAVAD-GITAIS THE WORDS OF GOD. SO AS GOOD AS GOD.Umapati:

Absolute?Prabhupada: Absolute, yes.Svarupa Damodara: We also say that. We say

that the beginning the soundvibration om was there. Om.

Prabhupada: Yes. Sabdad anavrtti. In Vedanta-sutra, sabdad anavrtti.

Sabdat. By vibration.Prajapati: But it goes on to say, "Then the word then came

down to earthand dwelt with man as Jesus Christ." They say Lord Jesus Christ

was theword incarnate.Prabhupada: That's all right.Umapati: Incarnate means

flesh, having come down in flesh.Prabhupada: That's all right.Prajapati: From

our Krsna conscious standpoint, this means a person who isjagad-guru, who is

fully living sastra, and therefore non-different fromthe word of

God?Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Because he is following the words of God, THEREFOREHE

IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE WORDS OF GOD. It is practical. Just like alawyer is

not different from the law. Therefore he is called lawyer.Note: Prajapati has

made a very valid point here. In this context let ustake a look at the form of

address to Srila Prabhupada:namo om VISNU-padaya krsna-presthyabhu-talesrimate

BHAKTIVEDANTA-SVAMIN ITI NAMINESo Srila Prabhupada is worshiped on the level of

Lord Visnu (Krsna) becausehe is a TRANSPARENT VIA MEDIUM representative who

accepts our service onbehalf of the Lord.760608gc.la Prabhupada: Krsna's

representative means the representative says the samething as Krsna says. Krsna

says "Surrender unto Me," and the representativesays "Surrender to Krsna." AND

BECAUSE HE DELIVERS THE REAL KNOWLEDGE, HE'SAS GOOD AS KRSNA. THEREFORE

SAKSAD-DHARITVENA SAMASTA-SASTRAIR UKTAS TATHABHAVYATA EVA SADBHIH. THE

SPIRITUAL MASTER MAY APPEAR TO BE JUST LIKE ACOMMON MAN, BUT HE IS TO BE

RESPECTED AS GOD, BECAUSE HE DELIVERS THE REALMESSAGE OF GOD. That is the

qualification of spiritual master. He does notmanufacture anything. That is

very easy. If I carry your message andeducate people in that way, then there is

no difficulty for me. Everythingis there. Why shall I go to manufacture

something imperfect? The perfectthing is already there. Simply I have to carry.

A post peon--the moneyorder is there, he has to simply carry and deliver to the

person. And if hegets at time of need, he thanks the peon, "Oh, you have saved

my life." Itis like that. The message is already there. You have to simply

deliver tothe suffering humanity. Then he'll be relieved. And because he

delivers thereal reality, therefore he's worshiped as God.

Saksad-dharitvenasamasta-sastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih. ACARYAM MAM

HIVIJANIYAT. KRSNA ALSO SAYS ACARYA IS..., "I AM ACARYA.681002LE.SEA Tamala

Krsna: Can a Christian in this age, without a spiritual master, butby reading

the Bible and following Jesus's words, reach the...Prabhupada: When you read

Bible, you follow spiritual master. How can yousay without? As soon as you read

Bible, that means you are following theinstruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that

means you are following spiritualmaster. So where is the opportunity of being

without spiritual master?Madhudvisa: I was referring to a LIVING spiritual

master.Prabhupada: Spiritual master is NOT the question of... SPIRITUAL MASTER

ISETERNAL. SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL. So your question is without

spiritualmaster. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your

life.You may accept this spiritual master or that spiritual master. That is

adifferent thing. But you have to accept. As you say that "by readingBible,"

when you read Bible that means you are following the spiritualmaster

represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of LordJesus Christ.

So any case, you have to follow a spiritual master. Therecannot be the question

without spiritual master. Is that clear?RoP Some people argue that Arjuna was

talking with Krsna because Krsna waspresent before him, whereas in my case,

Krsna is not present. So how can Iget directions? But that is not a fact. Krsna

is present by His words--theBhagavad-gita. In India, when we speak on the

Bhagavad-gita orSrimad-Bhagavatam, we regularly perform worship with flowers,

or with otherparaphernalia, as is required for worshiping. In the Sikh religion

also,although they have no form of the Deity, they worship the bookGranthasahib.

Perhaps some of you are acquainted with this Sikh community.They worship this

Grantha. Similarly, the Moslems worship the Koran.Similarly, in the Christian

world, the Bible is worshiped. IT IS A FACTthat the Lord Jesus Christ IS

PRESENT by His WORDS. Krsna is also presentby His words.THESE PERSONALITIES,

EITHER GOD OR THE SON OF GOD, WHO COME FROM THETRANSCENDENTAL WORLD, KEEP THEIR

TRANSCENDENTAL IDENTITIES WITHOUT BEINGCONTAMINATED BY THE MATERIAL WORLD. THAT

IS THEIR OMNIPOTENCE. WE ARE INTHE HABIT OF SAYING THAT GOD IS OMNIPOTENT.

OMNIPOTENCE MEANS THAT HE ISNOT DIFFERENT FROM HIS NAME, FROM HIS QUALITY, FROM

HIS PASTIMES, FROM HISINSTRUCTION. THEREFORE, THE DISCUSSION OF BHAGAVAD-GITA IS

AS GOOD ASDISCUSSION WITH KRSNA HIMSELF.Note: Similarly we can still get

direction from Srila Prabhupada WHO ISPRESENT BY HIS WORDS, DEITY TO GIVE US

GUIDANCE.JOHN 14:18 THRU 21"I will not leave you fatherless; I am coming to

you. A little while, andthe world will see me no more :but you will see me;

because I am living youwill live also. In that day you will know that I am in

my Father, and youin me and I in you. Whoever keeps my commands, and regards

them, It is hewho loves me; and one who loves me will be loved by my Father:

and I willlove him , and will make myself known to him.Note: When Jesus Christ

is saying that the world will see him no longer iswhen he is not physically

present; but one can see him through hisinstructions which are not different

from him (spiritual mastersinstructions are not different from him).When he

says I will not leave you Fatherless----he is giving the world Srila Prabhupada

who like him is the Spiritual master the transparent viamedium through whom we

get Krsna. This identical philosophy which JesusChrist talked is called

acintya-bhedabheda-tattva( simultaneous oneness anddifference).Jesus is talking

as a pure devotee and SIMULTANEOUSLYCHRIST(KRSNA) IS ALSO TALKING THROUGH HIS

PURE DEVOTEE.This "Iam coming to you " is also referring to Krsnas appearance

as theHoly spirit(Visnu,Supersoul ) who manifests EXTERNALLY AS THE

LIBERATEDDEVOTEE. ALSO SINCE SRILA PRABHUPADA IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM

HISINSTRUCTIONS(HIS BOOKS) DEVOTEES ARE SAVED FROM APPROACHING SOME CHEATERWHO

IS POSING AS SPIRITUAL MASTER. THEREFORE "EXTERNAL SENSES" QUOTED BELOW IS

CORRECT.Note: remember Lord Visnu the Paramatma (Holy spirit) feature He

appearsas the external manifestation as Srila Prabhupada LIBERATED DEVOTEE.CC

Adi 1.58TRANSLATIONSince one CANNOT VISUALLY EXPERIENCE THE PRESENCE OF THE

SUPERSOUL, HEAPPEARS BEFORE US AS A LIBERATED DEVOTEE. Such a spiritual master

is noneother than Krsna Himself.PURPORTIt is not possible for a conditioned

soul to directly meet Krsna, theSupreme Personality of Godhead, but if one

becomes a sincere devotee andseriously engages in devotional service, Lord

Krsna sends an instructingspiritual master to show him favor and invoke his

dormant propensity forserving the Supreme. THE PRECEPTOR APPEARS BEFORE THE

EXTERNAL SENSES OFTHE FORTUNATE CONDITIONED SOUL, AND AT THE SAME TIME THE

DEVOTEE IS GUIDEDFROM WITHIN BY THE CAITTYA-GURU, KRSNA, WHO IS SEATED AS THE

SPIRITUALMASTER WITHIN THE HEART OF THE LIVING ENTITY.ACINTYA-BHEDABHEDA-TATTVA

(philosophical truth of simultaneous oneness anddifference)SB 2.6.13-16The

Supreme Personality of Godhead, by His partial representation,measuring not

more than nine inches as Supersoul, expands by His potentialenergy in the shape

of the universal form, which includes everythingmanifested in different

varieties of organic and inorganic materials. Themanifested varieties of the

universe are therefore not different from theLord, just as golden ornaments of

different shapes and forms arenondifferent from the original stock reserve of

gold. In other words, theLord is the Supreme Person who controls everything

within the creation, andstill He remains the supreme separate identity,

distinct from allmanifested material creation. In the Bhagavad-gita (9.4-5) He

is thereforesaid to be Yogesvara. Everything rests on the potency of Lord Sri

Krsna,and still the Lord is different from and transcendental to all

suchidentities. In the Vedic Purusa-sukta of the Rg mantra, this is

alsoconfirmed. This philosophical truth of simultaneous oneness and

differencewas propounded by Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and it is known

asacintya-bhedabheda-tattva. BRAHMA, NARADA AND ALL OTHERS ARE

SIMULTANEOUSLYONE WITH THE LORD AND DIFFERENT FROM THE SUPREME LORD. We are all

one withHim, just as the gold ornaments are one in quality with the stock gold,

butthe individual gold ornament is never equal in quantity with the stockgold.

THE STOCK GOLD IS NEVER EXHAUSTED EVEN IF THERE ARE INNUMERABLEORNAMENTS

EMANATING FROM THE STOCK BECAUSE THE STOCK IS PURNAM, COMPLETE;EVEN IF PURNAM

IS DEDUCTED FROM THE PURNAM, STILL THE SUPREME PURNAMREMAINS THE SAME PURNAM.

THIS FACT IS INCONCEIVABLE TO OUR PRESENTIMPERFECT SENSES. LORD CAITANYA

THEREFORE DEFINED HIS THEORY OF PHILOSOPHYAS ACINTYA (INCONCEIVABLE), AND AS

CONFIRMED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA AS WELLAS IN THE BHAGAVATAM, LORD CAITANYA'S

THEORY OF ACINTYA-BHEDABHEDA-TATTVAIS THE PERFECT PHILOSOPHY OF THE ABSOLUTE

TRUTH.730513mw.la Paramahamsa: Srila Prabhupada, when you are not present with

us, how is itpossible to receive instructions, for example, on questions that

may arise?Prabhupada: WELL, THE QUESTIONS... ANSWERS ARE THERE IN MY

BOOKS.Paramahamsa: Other than that, for example, that we would ask you

in...Prabhupada: Yes.Paramahamsa: Do you direct us also through the heart?

Besides theParamatma?Prabhupada: IF YOUR HEART IS PURE. Everything depends on

purity.SPL 68-04-19 SivanandaRegarding the Christian's Trinity, I believe it is

called God, the HolyGhost, and the son. Person in Krishna Consciousness accepts

this by thename Visnu, Paramatma, and Jiva. God is a Person, the holy spirit or

thesupersoul is a person, and the living entity is also a person. Also, Maryis

the representation of the energy of God. Either as internal energyRadharani or

as external energy Durga, the energy of Godhead can beconsidered the mother of

the living entities. But there is no clash betweenthe Bible and the Vedas,

simply some people formulate their personal ideasand cause quarrelings. Nobody

can say the Bible was meant for the sameclass of men as the Bhagavad-gita. And

Bhagavad-gita is the ABC's ofspiritual knowledge. Beyond that is

Srimad-Bhagavatam. How great

Srimad-Bhagavatam is nobody can imagine. And beyond that is CaitanyaCaritamrta.

But beginning from the Bible or Koran, on up the principleremains the same.

Just like beginning from the pocket dictionarySB 6.5.20In the Bible, which is

also sastra, one will find the same advice: oneshould cease materialistic life

and return to the kingdom of God.SB 10.13.62He who appeared before Brahma as a

human child was in fact the AbsoluteTruth, Parabrahman (brahmeti paramatmeti

bhagavan iti sabdyate). TheSupreme Lord is narakrti; that is, He resembles a

human being. It is notthat He is four-armed (catur-bahu). Narayana is

catur-bahu, but the SupremePerson resembles a human being. This is also

confirmed in the Bible, whereit is said that man was made in the image of

God.Lord Brahma saw that Krsna, in His form as a cowherd boy, wasParabrahman,

the root cause of everything, but was now appearing as a humanchild, loitering

in Vrndavana with a morsel of food in His hand. PQPA 3 Srila Prabhupada: He

supplies everything to everyone. He is supplying foodto everyone. So He is the

Father. So why should you not pray, "Father, giveme this"? Just as in the

Christian Bible there is, "Father, give us ourdaily bread." That is good--they

are accepting the Supreme Father. Butgrown-up children should not ask from the

father; rather, they should beprepared to serve the father. That is bhakti

[devotion].Adi 17.168 In our practical preaching work we meet many Christians

who talk aboutstatements of the Bible. When we question whether God is limited

orunlimited, Christian priests say that God is unlimited. But when wequestion

why the unlimited God should have only one son and not unlimitedsons, they are

unable to answer. Similarly, from a scientific point ofview, the answers of the

Old Testament, New Testament and Koran to manyquestions have changed. But a

sastra cannot change at a person's whim. Allsastras must be free from the four

defects of human nature. The statementsof sastras must be correct for all

time.Adi 17.169 Sometimes Christian priests come to us inquiring, "Why are our

followersneglecting our scriptures and accepting yours?" But when we ask them,

"YourBible says, 'Do not kill.' Why then are you killing so many animals

daily?"they cannot answer. Some of them imperfectly answer that the animals

haveno souls. But then we ask them, "How do you know that animals have nosouls?

Animals and children are of the same nature. Does this mean that thechildren of

human society also have no souls?" According to the Vedicscriptures, within the

body is the owner of the body, the soul. In theBhagavad-gita (2.13) it is

said:dehino 'smin yatha dehekaumaram yauvanam jaratatha dehantara-praptirdhiras

tatra na muhyati"As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from

boyhood toyouth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at

death. Theself-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change."Because the

soul is within the body, the body changes through so manyforms. There is a soul

within the body of every living entity, whetheranimal, tree, bird or human

being, and the soul is transmigrating from one

type of body to another. When the scriptures of the yavanas--namely, theOld

Testament, New Testament and Koran--cannot properly answer

inquisitivefollowers, naturally those advanced in scientific knowledge and

philosophylose faith in such scriptures. The Kazi admitted this while talking

withSri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. The Kazi was a very intelligent person.SPL

70-07-19 Vrndavana CandraQuestion the fifth: If Mohammed as the servant of God

and Lord JesusChrist is the son of God, then where is the break of the

disciplicsuccession. After all the disciplic sucession is beginning from God,

so howdo you find that there is no disciplic succession? If the original tree

hasbranches, twigs and leaves and they are in touch with the original tree,

itis alright. The test is whether the line is in touch with the Supreme--thatis

all.Although Mohammed and Jesus Christ appeared in the Kali Yuga

theirinstruction is as it is because the persons to whom they had to speak

couldnot understand any more and they find it difficult to understand even

thatmuch.SPL 68-11-14 AniruddhaYour next question, "Is a pure devotee eternally

liberated and if so ishe at any time a conditioned soul? We are eternally

conditioned, but assoon as we surrender to Krishna do we then become eternally

liberated? WhenLord Christ appeared he seemed to be conditioned in his growth.

Was he aspecific incarnation or a conditioned soul who became liberated?" You

arenot eternally conditioned. You are eternally liberated but since we

havebecome conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way

oflife, from time immemorial, therefore it appears that we are

eternallyconditioned. Because we cannot trace out the history or the date when

webecame conditioned, therefore it is technically called eternallyconditioned.

Otherwise the living entity is not actually conditioned. Aliving entity is

always pure. But he is prone to be attracted by materialenjoyment and as soon

as he agrees to place himself in material enjoyment,he becomes conditioned, but

that is not permanent. Therefore a livingentity is called on the marginal state,

sometimes this side, sometimes thatside. These are very intelligent questions.

And I am very glad that you areputting such intelligent questions and trying to

understand it. It is verygood. But best thing is that one should know he is in

conditioned life andtry to cure it. When a man is in diseased condition he

should try to getout of diseased condition without harassing his brain when the

disease hasbegun. But it is to be understood that the disease is not our

constantcompanion, it is temporary. So the best thing is to cure the disease,

andnot waste our time to find out the date when it began. Forgetfulness

ofKrishna is the disease, so let us keep ourselves always in

KrishnaConsciousness, and get out of the disease, that is healthy life. Yes,

LordJesus was jivatattva. He is not Visnu tattva. When a jiva tattva

becomesspecifically empowered by the Lord, he is called saktyavesa avatara.

LORDBUDDHA AND LORD JESUS CHRIST WERE IN THIS GROUP OF SAKTYAVESA AVATARA..

Butthey were not in conditioned state when they appeared; they came to

teachhere.SPL 70-03-02 BhagavanRegarding the end of devotees of Lord Jesus

Christ, they can go toheaven, that is all. That is a planet in the material

world. A devotee ofLord Jesus Christ is one who is strictly following the ten

commandments.Now just like in the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" this is a

moralinstruction for the sinful man. Similarly Lord Buddha also

emphasizedahimsa paramadharma "the highest religion is nonviolence." So

theseinstructions are for the sinful men. When one is pious, instead of being

sinful, he is promoted to the higher planetary systems like Janaloka,

Mahaloka, or Tapaloka and they are above the planet Svargaloka. So personswho

are cleansed of sinful life become eligible for spiritual life. FROMTHE

INSTRUCTIONS OF LORD JESUS CHRIST WE FIND THAT THE STRESS IS GIVEN TOMAKE MEN

FREE FROM SINFUL LIFE--SUCH AS "THOU SHALT NOT KILLTHOU SHALTNOT

COVET"--LIKE THAT. THEREFORE THE CONCLUSION IS THAT THE DEVOTEES OFLORD JESUS

CHRIST ARE PROMOTED TO THE HEAVENLY PLANETS WHICH ARE WITHINTHIS MATERIAL

WORLD.SPL 69-10-31 SatsvarupaNow coming to some other points discussed in the

Cathedral Sermonspamphlet, we may take notice of the writer's statement which

may help us inunderstanding the real position of Christian religion. In one of

thestatements he says the Bishop Dean, the former Executive Officer of

theAnglican Communion, said to the general Synod of the Anglican Church

ofCanada last month that he gives the church as it exists today ten moreyears

of life. The reason the church was dying he said was because it hadbecome

irrelevant. This means that the church people no more can convincethe advanced,

educated men of the present day. In another place he says indiscussing the Ten

Commandents of the Bible about the sanctity of (humanlife). INSTEAD OF EXACTLY

QUOTING THE COMMANDMENT "THOU SHALT NOT KILL," HEREPLACES BY HIS OWN WORDS

"THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER". BUT HE DOES NOT KNOWHOW HIS OWN WORDS REFLECT TO THE

THEN SOCIETY WHEREIN LORD JESUS CHRIST WASPREACHING. TO SAY TO HIS AUDIENCE,

"THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER" MEANS THEYWERE VERY MUCH ACCUSTOMED TO COMMIT MURDER.

SO WHAT IS THE POSITION OF THATSOCIETY WHERE THE MEMBERS ARE ACCUSTOMED TO

COMMIT MURDER, AND WHAT CLASSOF PREACHING CAN BE MADE TO SUCH PERSONS? As we

see in another religiousprinciple there is instruction that henceforward you

shall not co-habitwith your mother. So we have to judge such societies where

there aremurderers and those having sex life with their mothers, what kind of

menthey are. In the Bhagavad-gita the religious principles are divided

intothree categories: in the modes of goodness, passion and

ignorance.Generally, all so-called principles are in the modes of passion

andignorance. Maybe there are some moral instructions, but moral

instructionswithout God-consciousness is impossible to follow. In another place

thegentleman quotes one book written by Prof. Charles Smith. The book's nameis

"The Paradox of Jesus in the Gospels". In this book it is admitted thatall the

statements in the Bible are not directly spoken by Jesus. Some ofthem are

staged through the mouth of Jesus Christ; and specifically thispassage: "I am

the way, the Truth and the light. No man comes unto theFather but by me." This

gentleman admits that it is put into the mouth ofJesus because that is the

literary convention of the author of the 4thGospel. Such kinds of observations

definitely suggests that there are manypassages in the Gospel which are later

on set up to be spoken by Lord JesusChrist, but actually they were manufactured

by different devotees. So faras our Bhagavad-gita is concerned, we do not find

any such thing.Everywhere it is stated sri bhagavan uvaca: the Supreme

Personality ofGodhead said. And all the acaryas have accepted these words as

they arespoken by the Lord. No authorized acharya has ever commented that it

wasput into the mouth of Krishna by Vyasadeva or Sanjaya or any other

person.SPL 69-02-10 GovindaRegarding Karatieya, I am sorry to inform you that

all of a sudden hehas been captivated by maya, and since yesterday, he has left

my company.The day before yesterday afternoon, he was absent for more than three

hoursand when he came back, he explained that he was out walking in the

street.Later on, it was found that he went to see a Christian priest who

hadimpressed upon his mind that one can drink wine after offering it to

LordChrist on the first Friday of every month. I had been informed by Karatieya

that before his coming to our Krishna Consciousness camp he was drinking

too much. So now he wanted to give me evidence that drinking was good whenit is

offered to Lord Christ. I tried to convince him that drinking is notat all

good. The very fact that one should drink on the first Friday ofeach month

means it is rigidly restricted; one can drink only once everymonth, but in the

case of bread, it is said that one should pray daily forbread from the

Lord.Madhya 15.163 "My dear Lord, let me suffer perpetually in a hellish

condition,accepting all the sinful reactions of all living entities. Please

finishtheir diseased material life."PURPORTSrila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati

Thakura gives the following commentaryon this verse. In the Western countries,

Christians believe that Lord JesusChrist, their spiritual master, appeared in

order to eradicate all the sinsof his disciples. To this end, Lord Jesus Christ

appeared and disappeared.Here, however, we find Sri Vasudeva Datta Thakura and

Srila HaridasaThakura to be many millions of times more advanced even when

compared toLord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ relieved only his followers from all

sinfulreactions, but Vasudeva Datta is here prepared to accept the sins

ofeveryone in the universe. A Vaisnava is so liberal that he is prepared torisk

everything to rescue conditioned souls from material existence. SrilaVasudeva

Datta Thakura is universal love itself, for he was willing tosacrifice

everything and fully engage in the service of the Supreme.Srila Vasudeva Datta

knew very well that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was theoriginal Personality of

Godhead. He was transcendence itself, above thematerial conception of illusion

and maya. Lord Jesus Christ certainlyfinished the sinful reactions of his

followers by his mercy, but that doesnot mean that he completely delivered them

from the pangs of materialexistence. A person may be relieved from sins once,

but it is a practiceamong Christians to confess sins and yet commit them again.

By gettingfreed from sins and again engaging in them, one cannot attain freedom

fromthe pangs of material existence. A diseased person may go to a physicianfor

relief, but after he leaves the hospital he may again be infected dueto his

unclean habits. Thus material existence continues. Srila VasudevaDatta wanted

to completely relieve the conditioned souls from materialexistence so that they

would no longer have an opportunity to commit sinfulacts. This is the difference

between Srila Vasudeva Datta and Lord JesusChrist. IT IS A GREAT OFFENSE TO

RECEIVE PARDON FOR SINS AND THEN COMMITTHE SAME SINS AGAIN. SUCH AN OFFENSE IS

MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE SINFULACTIVITY ITSELF. Vasudeva Datta was so liberal

that he requested SriCaitanya Mahaprabhu to transfer all offensive activity

upon him so theconditioned souls might be purified. This prayer was certainly

withoutduplicity.PQPA 6 vancha-kalpa-tarubhyas cakrpa-sindhubhya eva

capatitanam pavanebhyovaisnavebhyo namo namah["I offer my respectful obeisances

unto all the Vaisnava devotees of theLord. They are just like desire trees who

can fulfill the desires ofeveryone, and they are full of compassion for the

fallen conditionedsouls."] He takes responsibility for all the fallen souls.

That idea isalso in the Bible. Jesus Christ took all the sinful reactions of

the peopleand sacrificed his life. That is the responsibility of a spiritual

master.Because Krsna is Krsna, He is apapa-viddha--He cannot be attacked by

sinfulreactions. But a living entity is sometimes subjected to their influence

because he is so small. Big fire, small fire. If you put some big thing in

a small fire, the fire itself may be extinguished. But in a big fire,whatever

you put in is all right. The big fire can consume anything.Bob: Christ's

suffering was of that nature?Srila Prabhupada: Mm-m?Bob: Was Christ's

suffering--Srila Prabhupada: That I have already explained. He took the

sinfulreactions of all the people. Therefore he suffered.Bob: I see.Srila

Prabhupada: He said--that is in the Bible--that he took all thesinful reactions

of the people and sacrificed his life. But these Christianpeople have made it a

law for Christ to suffer while they do all nonsense.[bob gives a short laugh.]

Such great fools they are! They have let JesusChrist make a contract for taking

all their sinful reactions so they can goon with all nonsense. That is their

religion. Christ was so magnanimousthat he took all their sins and suffered,

but that does not induce them tostop all these sins. They have not come to that

sense. They have taken itvery easily. "Let Lord Jesus Christ suffer, and we'll

do all nonsense." Isit not?Bob: It is so.Srila Prabhupada: They should have

been ashamed: "Lord Jesus Christsuffered for us, but we are continuing the

sinful activities." He toldeveryone, "Thou shalt not kill," but they are

indulging in killing,thinking, "Lord Jesus Christ will excuse us and take all

the sinfulreactions." This is going on. We should be very much cautious: "For

mysinful actions my spiritual master will suffer, so I'll not commit even

apinch of sinful activities." That is the duty of the disciple.

Afterinitiation, all sinful reaction is finished. Now if he again commits

sinfulactivities, his spiritual master has to suffer. A disciple should

besympathetic and consider this. "For my sinful activities, my spiritualmaster

will suffer." If the spiritual master is attacked by some disease,it is due to

the sinful activities of others. "Don't make many disciples."But we do it

because we are preaching. Never mind--let us suffer--still weshall accept them.

Therefore your question was--when I suffer is it due tomy past misdeeds? Was it

not? That is my misdeed--that I accepted somedisciples who are nonsense. That

is my misdeed.Bob: This happens on occasions?Srila Prabhupada: Yes. This is

sure to happen because we are accepting somany men. It is the duty of the

disciples to be cautious. "My spiritualmaster has saved me. I should not put

him again into suffering." When thespiritual master is in suffering, Krsna

saves him. Krsna thinks, "Oh, hehas taken so much responsibility for delivering

a fallen person." So Krsnais there.kaunteya pratijanihina me bhaktah

pranasyati["O son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My devotee never

perishes."]Because the spiritual master takes the risk on account of Krsna.Bob:

Your suffering is not the same kind of pain.. Srila Prabhupada: No, it is not

due to karma. The pain is there sometimes,so that the disciples may know, "Due

to our sinful activities, ourspiritual master is suffering."Bob: You look very

well now.Srila Prabhupada: I am always well... in the sense that even if there

issuffering, I know Krsna will protect me. But this suffering is not due tomy

sinful activities.Bob: But let us say when I--in the town I live in, I take

boiled waterbecause some of the water has disease in it. Now, why should I

drink boiledwater if I have been good enough not to get a disease? Then I may

drink anywater. And if I have been not acting properly. then I shall get

disease anyway.

Srila Prabhupada: So long as you are in the material world, you cannotneglect

physical laws. Suppose you go to a jungle and there is a tiger. Itis known that

it will attack you, so why should you voluntarily go and beattacked? It is not

that a devotee should take physical risk so long as hehas a physical body. It

is not a challenge to the physical laws: "I havebecome a devotee. I challenge

everything." That is foolishness.Bob: But let us say when I--in the town I live

in, I take boiled waterbecause some of the water has disease in it. Now, why

should I drink boiledwater if I have been good enough not to get a disease?

Then I may drink anywater. And if I have been not acting properly. then I shall

get diseaseanyway.Srila Prabhupada: So long as you are in the material world,

you cannotneglect physical laws. Suppose you go to a jungle and there is a

tiger. Itis known that it will attack you, so why should you voluntarily go and

beattacked? It is not that a devotee should take physical risk so long as hehas

a physical body. It is not a challenge to the physical laws: "I havebecome a

devotee. I challenge everything." That is foolishness.PQPA 9 Srila Prabhupada:

That's all right. He may eat anything. He is powerful.But he has ordered, "Thou

shalt not kill. You must stop killing." He ispowerful. He can eat the whole

world. But you cannot compare to JesusChrist. You cannot imitate Jesus Christ;

you have to abide by his order.Then you are guided by Jesus Christ. That is

actually obedience. That isexplained in the Bhagavata. One who is isvara, who

is empowered, can doanything, but we cannot imitate. We have to abide by his

order: "What hesays to me, that I will do." You cannot imitate. You say that

Jesus Christate meat. Admitting that, you do not know in what condition he ate

meat. Heis himself eating meat, but he is advising others not to kill. Do you

thinkthat Jesus Christ was contradicting himself?740615rc.par Yogesvara: He

says, for example, the verse you read yesterday, that wassimilar to what is

taught in the Vedas, but if we take the rest of thatchapter from the Bible, we

find some discrepancies, differences.Prabhupada: What is that?

(French)Yogesvara: For example, in that chapter, it also says that the word of

Godbecame flesh and that flesh was the son of God, Lord Jesus

Christ.Prabhupada: But that means Jesus Christ is transcendental, not of

thismaterial world. (French)Yogesvara: They say... They accept... They think

that Lord Jesus, however,was a human being. He was spiritual, but also he was

part of this materialworld.Prabhupada: No, material world is part of Jesus

Christ, but Jesus Christ isnot part of material world. (French)Yogesvara: He

says that they had a human body, he had a material body.Prabhupada: That human

body appears like that, but he had no this materialflesh and blood. A material

body, how there can be resurrection?Yogesvara: If it was material body, how is

it possible for him to beresurrected? (French)Prabhupada: Is that all

right?Jyotirmayi: They said it is by the acintya power of God.Prabhupada:

These, these rascals, they thought that "Jesus had a materialbody. Let us kill

him." So Jesus Christ bewildered them more, to remainrascal, that they will

continue to think that Jesus had a material body.Jyotirmayi: Bewildered

them?Yogesvara: Yes, he bewildered them more by saying: "All right, go

onthinking like that."Prabhupada: That is their punishment. They remain always

in darkness thatJesus had a material body. (French)

Jyotirmayi: So he's saying that he respects your explanation, but that

theChristians, they have another explanation, and that if we...Prabhupada: But

we must come to the reason before giving explanation. Youcannot

explain...Yogesvara: What is the reason for his incarnation?Prabhupada: You

cannot explain whimsically. You cannot explain whimsically.If Jesus Christ is

son of God, he has... That means he has got spiritualbody. You...French Woman:

Yes, we accept that he got the has got spiritual body, but wesay that he

assumed also a material body.Prabhupada: Now, then, then, another thing is: you

accept Jesus Christ theonly son of God, is it not? So when you pray in the

church, you addressGod, "Oh Father." Then why "only son"?French Woman: We say

that the son is...Prabhupada: Then everyone is son.French Woman: Yes, we say

that this is the same God, yes.Prabhupada: If I address God, "My father," then

I am his son. So why thereshould be "only son"? (French)French Woman: Yes, we

say that we are adopted sons. (laughter) (French)Jyotirmayi: They say that they

are sons, that all living beings are sons,but by adoption.Yogesvara: Adopted

son. Yes.Prabhupada: So therefore these sons' body and Jesus's body cannot be

equal.So adopted son has got material body, not the real son.

(French)Yogesvara: Their idea is that: Yes, of course, Lord Jesus, being the

son ofGod, his body is spiritual, but because he wanted to take part in the

lifeof the human beings on earth, he actually accepted a material body just

tolive among men.Prabhupada: Why he should accept?French Woman: But we have a

vesper that says that he was died, that he wassuffering, and things which show

that...Prabhupada: But his death... You think that he was died, but

heresurrected.French Woman: But the gospel says that he had died.Prabhupada:

That's all right.French Woman: You cannot... We accept the totality of the

word, as youaccept your word.Prabhupada: No. No, no. "Died" means that is

similar death. Janma karma medivyam. Just like Christ take birth from the womb

of Mary. It appears likethat, but actually that is not. (French)French Woman:

No, it is very important that the death of Christ is a realdeath. For us, it is

the center of our faith.Yogesvara: They say that the central point of their

philosophy is that LordJesus actually died. (French)Prabhupada: No, according

to Vedic conception, even ordinary living being,he does not die. Na hanyate

hanyamane sarire. You understand Sanskrit?French Woman: No, I don't understand

it by hearing it. You have to read it.Prabhupada: Na hanyate, does not die,

hanyamane sarire, apparently, thebody being dead, the soul is never dead.

(French)Yogesvara: So... Shall I explain that one? What the good Pastor--are

theycalled Pastor?--describes is that in order for there to be a dialogue,

wehave to respect each others' positions, not that we will try to convert

theother. He says just as we respect you have an absolute faith in the

Vedicphilosophy, so also there must be respect that the Christian

interpretationof the life of Lord Jesus and his death...Prabhupada: Oh, I think

I have better respect than him to Jesus Christ. Isay he does not die. He says he

dies. (French) So far respect is concerned,I have more respect than them. They

want to see Jesus Christ dead. I don'twant to see him dead.

French Woman: No. Death and resurrection after, Jesus.

Yogesvara: There's a resurrection.Prabhupada: Yes.TQK 12 In the Bible it is said

that man was made in the image of God, and thismeans that we are reflections of

God's image. It is not that we invent orimagine some form of God according to

our own form. Those who adhere to theMayavada philosophy of anthropomorphism

say, "The Absolute Truth isimpersonal, but because we are persons we imagine

that the Absolute Truthis also a person." This is a mistake, and in fact just

the opposite istrue. We have two hands, two legs, and a head because God

Himself has thesesame features. We have personal forms because we are

reflections of God.Furthermore, we should philosophically understand that if

the originalperson benefits, the reflection also benefits. So if we decorate

Krsna, wealso shall be decorated. If we satisfy Krsna, we shall become

satisfied. Ifwe offer nice food to Krsna, we shall also eat the same food.

Those wholive outside the temples of Krsna consciousness may never have

imaginedsuch palatable food as the food we are offering to Krsna, but because

it isbeing offered to Krsna, we also have the opportunity to eat it. So

weshould try to satisfy Krsna in all respects, and then we shall be satisfiedin

all respects.SSR 4 Srila Prabhupada: Humility means intelligence. The humble and

meek own thekingdom of God. This is stated in the Bible, is it not? But the

philosophyof the rascals is that everyone is God, and today this idea has

becomepopular. Therefore no one is humble and meek. If everyone thinks that he

isGod, why should he be humble and meek? Therefore I teach my disciples howto

become humble and meek. They always offer their respectful obeisances inthe

temple and to the spiritual master, and in this way they makeadvancement. The

qualities of humbleness and meekness lead very quickly tospiritual realization.

In the Vedic scriptures it is said, "To those whohave firm faith in God and the

spiritual master, who is His representative,the meaning of the Vedic scriptures

is revealed."Father Emmanuel: But shouldn't this humility be offered to everyone

else,also?Srila Prabhupada: Yes, but there are two kinds of respect: special

andordinary. Sri Krsna Caitanya taught that we shouldn't expect honor

forourselves, but should always respect everyone else, even if he

isdisrespectful to us. But special respect should be given to God and Hispure

devotee.SSR 4 Srila Prabhupada: But the Bible does not simply say, "Do not kill

the humanbeing." It says broadly, "Thou shalt not kill."Cardinal Danielou: We

believe that only human life is sacred.Srila Prabhupada: That is your

interpretation. The commandment is "Thoushalt not kill."Note: heathen means

being disobedient to the orders of the commandments.Thou shalt not kill is a

clear commandment which does not requireinterpretation.PoP 8 Purification of

consciousness is the purpose of this Krsna consciousnessmovement. Presently we

are preparing this divine consciousness, for ourconsciousness goes with us at

the time of death. Consciousness is carriedfrom the body just as the aroma of a

flower is carried by the air. When we

die, this material body composed of five elements--earth, water, air, fire,

and ether--decomposes, and the gross materials return to the elements. Or,as the

Christian Bible says, "Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shaltreturn." In some

societies the body is burned, in others it is buried, andin others it is thrown

to animals. In India, the Hindus burn the body, andthus the body is transformed

into ashes. Ash is simply another form ofearth. Christians bury the body, and

after some time in the grave, the bodyeventually turns to dust, which again,

like ash, is another form of earth.There are other societies--like the Parsee

community in India--that neitherburn nor bury the body but throw it to the

vultures, and the vulturesimmediately come to eat the body, and then the body

is eventuallytransformed into stool. So in any case, this beautiful body, which

we aresoaping and caring for so nicely, will eventually turn into either

stool,ashes, or dust.721114SB.VRN The solid fact is the Lord created. In the

Bible also it is said thatGod said, "Let there be creation." So it is from the

person. Here also, wefind the creation begins from the person. In the Vedas it

is said, saaiksata. Sa asrjata. Aiksata, "By the glance, He looked over, God

lookedover, and He created." The reference is to the person. We also find

fromour experience that whenever there is something manufacturing, or

creation,we do not find automatically some matter comes into being. We don't,

wehaven't such experience. Whenever there is anything manufactured orcreated,

there is a person behind it.So this is not a very good theory that from the

chunk, or some matterexploded, and immediately the universe came into

existence.680110SB.LA Now, the whole material world is produced from sound.

That is scientificfact. Scientists are researching the importance of sound,

physical science.Sound, light, and transmission of sound and light. There are

so manythings, electronics. So this sound vibration, this is material sound.

Theyhave got so much wonderful power. And just try to understand what is

thepower of the spiritual sound. Real sound is coming from the spiritualworld.

It is simply just like gramophone. The sound is coming originallyfrom the

person; the gramophone is reproducing. That is not the originalsource of the

sound. Similarly, whatever sound is there in this materialworld, the original

sound is produced by God. Just like in your Bible it issaid, "Let there be

creation." It is, simply it was sound and there wascreation. So spiritual sound

is so powerful. And we are trying to catch youdirectly from that sound

vibration, Hare Krsna, and I am sure it is acting.Simply, sabdad

anavrttih.730620SB.MAY In the Bible, it is said the animals are given under the

control ofhuman beings, man. Is it not? They have taken it. And because the

animalsare given under the control of man, therefore man should

openslaughterhouse and eat them? Suppose if somebody gives his son, "Sir,

willyou take my son? Keep him under your control." Does it mean I shall eathim?

These rascals interpret in that way. Because the animals are givenunder the

control of man, therefore there should be slaughterhouse, theanimals will be

killed, and they will eat. This is their interpretation ofthe Bible, is it

not?720813SB.LA So Krsna and His pastimes, His name, quality, paraphernalia,

entourage,everything is spiritual. That is accepted by great scholars like

Sankaracarya. He says: narayana para. "Narayana, or the Supreme Personality

of Godhead, is beyond this material world." There are many examples. Inyour

Bible also, those who are Christians, God said, "Let there be

creation." So there was creation. Now this world, this word is not

vibration of this material world. In the material world, if I say, "Letthere be

some mango," so no. That is not possible. BUT IN THE SPIRITUALVIBRATION, THAT

IS POSSIBLE. That is possible. So the study is that Godsaid, "Let there be

creation." So there was creation. Now this word existedbefore the creation,

because "Let there be creation" means when God isspeaking there was no

creation. And the creation means this material world.Therefore this vibration

is not material. So when God is saying, "Let therebe creation," then He's a

person. Therefore His personality is alsotranscendental, spiritual. Otherwise

how He speaks?700103SB.LA Now, in the Bible, Lord Jesus Christ is described as

the son of God.Now, so far I have heard, that it is claimed that he is the only

one son ofGod. Now according to Bhagavad-gita, every living entity is son of

God. Nowhow to adjust? If the Bible says that Lord Jesus Christ is the only

oneson, then how these so many innumerable sons can be adjusted? There

isadjustment. There is very nice adjustment. One should know it. He is theonly

one son means one who can sacrifice his life for God, he is real son.And one

who is simply taking from father, "Oh, God, give us our dailybread," and He is

supplying and eating and enjoying sense enjoyement, he isnot real son. The real

son is he who sacrifices his life for glorifying hisfather. Similarly, anyone

who will sacrifice his life... Of course, it isnot required that everyone shall

be crucified like Lord Jesus Christ, buthe should sacrifice his energy for the

Supreme Lord. And that person whohas devoted his energy for the satisfaction of

the Supreme Lord, he iscalled Krsna conscious person.721023ND.VRN Even a

maha-bhagavata, when he becomes preacher, he comes down to thesecond platform.

He does not remain on the topmost platform. He plays thepart of second

platform. And sometimes it is stated in the Bible, I think,that Jesus Christ

said, "I had many things to say, but I am not saying." Isit not? So actually,

the maha-bhagavata, he has many things to say, butbecause he's preacher he does

not say everything to the neophyte devotees.Because they are not competent to

accept that.750309rc.lon Reporter: Can you tell me how your teaching relates to

the Bible, to theChristian teaching?Prabhupada: Christian teaching is good. It

is giving idea of God. But whois following Christian teaching? That is the

problem. Nobody is following.Christ says, "Thou shall not kill," and the

Christian people are veryexpert in killing. Do you admit or not?Reporter: I

admit.Prabhupada: Just see. Then who is a Christian? If one does not follow

theinstruction of Christ, then would you call him a Christian?Reporter:

No.Prabhupada: That's it. That is the problem.Reporte: Is there any reason why

you teach your followers the Bhagavad-gitarather than the Bible?Prabhupada: The

teaching is the same. The teaching is the same. What Lord

Jesus Christ taught and what we are... (aside:) Aiye. The teaching is the

same. But who is following? That is the difficulty.Reporter: I see. So you don't

think that...Prabhupada: The difficulty has arisen--I am claiming to be Hindu,

but I amnot following the Vedic rules. You are claiming to be Christian, but

youare not following the Christian rules. This is going on all over the world.

SPL 71-10-22 RayaramaI am so glad to learn that you are eager to preach but we

should know itthat we cannot preach without being solid in our standing as

devotee. LordCaitanya Mahaprabhu said that "apani acari prabhu jivare sikhaya."

Thismeans that Lord Caitanya wanted that one should preach by behaving

himselfexactly what he preaches. So our Krsna consciousness movement,

preaching,depends on personal behavior. If you want to preach the gospel of

LordJesus Christ on the principles of Bhagavad-gita you will find so

manydifferences. Those who are following Jesus Christ, let them follow

strictlyto the principles of the Bible. "Thou shalt not kill" is now

beingmisinterpreted by Christian priests. Now they say "Thou shall not

murder."This means trying to save themselves from the crime of animal killing.

Soyou cannot teach such unscrupled followers the message of Bhagavad-gita.SPL

69-08-31 SyamasundaraActually our Krishna Conscious movement is genuine

Christian movement.CHRIST MEANS KRISHNA, LOVE OF GODHEAD, WHO HAS HIS FACE

ANNOINTED WITHTILAK. There is a word Kristos in the Greek dictionary, and this

word issupposed to be borrowed from the Sanskrit word "Krishna," and Christ

isderived from Kristos.680108CC.LA So my request to you (is) that don't accept

Krsna as something Indiangod or Hindu god. No. Krsna is the original father of

all living entities.He claims. If you don't accept... If the father says, "You

are my son," andthe son says, "No, I am not your son," oh, that is son's

prerogative. Hemay deny it if he doesn't believe his mother. Now what is the

proof thatone man is my father? The mother is the proof. There is no other

source ofunderstanding who is my father. If a boy wants to understand, "Who is

myfather?" the only authority is the mother. Mother will say, "My dear boy,my

dear child, here is your father." You have to accept. If you say, "Idon't

accept. I must have proof that he is my father." How it is possible?It is not

possible. Similarly, the Vedic literature is to be considered themother and

Vedic literature says, janmady asya yatah: "The Supreme AbsoluteTruth is that

who is the source of all generation, all emanations." Andwhat is that source?

Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that "I am thefather." So if you believe

scriptures, Vedic literatures, if you believeBhagavad-gita, then you have to

accept Krsna as the supreme father becausethe mother... Vedic literature is

considered to be the mother. She givesevidence that Krsna is the father. Just

like mother gives evidence who isyour father, similarly, the Vedic literatures

is compared to a mother, andthe Vedic literature says that Krsna is the father.

In your Christianliterature, Bible, Jesus Christ is accepted as the son of God.

He presentedhimself as son of God. And here Krsna says that "I am the father."

So thereis no contradiction. The son of God also says about God, and the

fatheralso says about the God, Himself. The son of God says that "You

surrenderunto God," and God says, "You surrender unto Me." Then where there

iscontradiction? There is no contradiction.

661231CC.NY So before His coming, some of His devotees, they come first, just to

becomeHis father, become His mother, become His family members, like

that.Because He does not do anything which is against the process of this

world.A man is born out of his father and mother, so He has to take His

birthfrom a father and mother. So these fathers and mothers were, are

firstsent. I think in the Bible they call messiahs, or what you have?

Similarly,nobody can become the father and mother of God. But, when He

manifestsHimself in this material world, He shows that "He's My father." Just

likeKrsna accepted father, Vasudeva, Vasudeva as His father and Devaki as His

mother. Or His foster-father, Nanda Maharaja, and His foster-mother,

Yasoda. So they are all devotees. Krsna's friend, Krsna's father,

Krsna'severyone, when He displays Himself, they are all devotees. He's

theSupreme. Nobody can be father of Krsna.680610SB.MON Prabhupada: Body of

Christ is not ordinary body. That is spiritual body.Krsna, as Krsna says in the

Bhagavad-gita, yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati bharata, paritranaya

sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam,dharma-samsthapanarthaya yuge yuge sambhavami

atma-mayaya. So this is avery subtle point. One has to understand that when God

comes or God's soncomes or God's representative comes, they do not accept a body

like us.They have their spiritual body.690103BG.LA Devotee: Prabhupada? Does

Lord Jesus Christ appear in the spiritual skywith the body he manifested on the

earth?Prabhupada: Yes. Otherwise how there can be resurrection? Ordinary

bodycannot be resurrected. He appeared in his spiritual body, certainly.

JesusChrist told, if I remember, that "Lord, excuse these persons," who

werecrucifying him. Is it not? He knew that "These rascals, they are killingme,

but... They are offending certainly. So they do not know that I cannotbe killed,

but they are thinking that they are killing." You see? But thatwas offensive,

therefore he begged Lord to be excused because God cannotexcuse to the

offenders of the devotee. He can excuse one who is offenderto God, but if

somebody is offender to the devotee, God never excuses.Therefore he prayed for

them. That is devotee's qualification. He prays foreveryone, even of his enemy.

And he could not be killed. That he knew. Butthose rascals, they thought they

were killing Jesus Christ.680629LE.MON Prabhupada: He was protected. Devotees

are not under the karma. In theBrahma-samhita it is stated, karmani nirdahati

kintu ca bhakti-bhajam.Prahlada Maharaja was tortured by his father in so many

ways, but he wasnot affected. He was not affected. Superficially... Just like

in theChristian Bible also, that Lord Jesus Christ was tortured, but he was

notaffected. This is the difference between ordinary man and the devotees

ortranscendentalists. Apparently it is seen that a devotee is being

tortured,but he is not tortured. There is one example, nice example. Just like

thecat. The cat carries the kitties in the mouth, and it carries a mouse alsoin

the mouth. So apparently it is seen that a cat is carrying its kittiesin the

mouth means it is in pain. But it is not in pain. That is a fact.Rather, she

feels very comfortable. You see? But when the cat, the samecat, catches one

mouse, his life is gone. But you see that she is carryingin the mouth both of

them. Similarly, whenever you'll find that a greatdevotee is placed into

torturing condition, he does not feel. But the demonthinks that "I am torturing

him." Yes?

681002LE.SEA Prabhupada: So where do you find the difference? If Lord Jesus

Christ says,"Through me," that means he's representative of God, and hari-nama

is God.So either through the representative of God or God, the same thing. God

andGod's representative, there is no difference. Even in these

ordinarydealings, if I send some representative, if he signs something on

mybehalf, I have to accept that, because he is my representative. Similarly,God

has to be approached through God or through His representative. Thesame thing.

Only the difference may be of understanding. Because Lord JesusChrist spoke to

a society that was not very much advanced. You can

understand that such a great personality, God conscious person, was

crucified. Just see the condition of the society. In other words, they

werelow-grade society. So they were not able to understand the whole

philosophyof God. That is sufficient. "God created. Just take it." They were

notintelligent to understand how the creation took place. Had they

beenintelligent, they would not have crucified such a great personality

likeJesus Christ. SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THESOCIETY.

Just like in the Koran it is said by Muhammad that "From this dayyou have no sex

intercourse with your mother." Just find out the conditionof the society. So we

have to take account of the time, circumstances,society, and then preaching. So

to society like that it is not possible tounderstand the high philosophical

things as it is stated in theBhagavad-gita. But the primary fact, the authority

is God, that is acceptedboth in Bible and Bhagavad-gita. Bible begins, "God is

the supremeauthority," and Bhagavad-gita concludes, "You surrender." Where is

thedifference? Simply the description is according to the time, society,

andplace and people. That's all. They are not Arjuna. You see? So the thingsto

be understood by Arjuna is not possible by the persons who had crucifiedLord

Jesus Christ. You have to study in that light. The same thing. Adictionary, a

pocket dictionary, child's dictionary, and the dictionary,international

dictionary, both of them dictionary, but the value isdifferent. That dictionary

is meant for a class of children, and thatdictionary is meant for high scholars.

But none of them you can say it isnot dictionary. That you cannot say. Both of

them are dictionaries. So wehave to take consideration of the time, place,

persons, everything. Justlike Lord Buddha, he simply said that "Stop this

nonsense animal killing."That was his propaganda. They were so low-grade

people, simply takingpleasure in animal killing. So in order to elevate them,

Lord Buddha wantedto stop this nonsense: "Please stop killing." So in every

time a differentrepresentative of God or God comes to teach people at

differentcircumstances. So according to the circumstances there may be

somedifference in explanation, but the primary factor remains the same.

LordBuddha said, "All right, there is no God, but you surrender to me."

Thenwhere is the difference? That means one has to accept the authority of

Godeither this way or that way.681009LE.SEA Now in our childhood... Not

childhood. We were at that time collegestudent, Scottish Churches College in

Calcutta. So that is Christiancollege, Scottish Churches. So we had to read

Bible also. There was a Bibleclass from 1:00 to 1:30. So I remember our

professor, he was a greatphilosopher also, Dr. W.S. Urquhart. He was very nice

man, very friendly.So he was explaining from Bible. I do not know... The

Christians, they donot believe in karma. Is it a fact? They do not believe in

karma?Govinda dasi: They have a verse that "You reap what you sow," which

meanswhatever you do, you receive the reaction of. It's sort of...Prabhupada:

So... But karma is accepted? But I do not know. Dr. Urquhartwas arguing that if

I am suffering or enjoying as the effect of my previouslife, so who is the

witness? His argument was like this. Just like if Ihave committed some criminal

act, in the court there is need of witness.

Then one has to prove that somebody has seen that he has done this. This

issimply a legal formality. Who is going to steal while keeping one

witness?Nobody's going, but court wants that who has seen that he has

stolen.Anyway, Dr. Urquhart's argument was that "Who is the witness? I

amsuffering the reaction of my previous bad or evil activities, but who isthe

witness?" But at that time we were not so intelligent. We could notanswer. But

later on, when we were grown up and studied Bhagavad-gita, thenhere, in the

Bhagavad-gita, we saw that upadrasta. The Lord is upadrasta,He is witness.

Upadrasta. Anumanta. Anumanta means ordering. You cannot do

anything without being sanctioned by the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

You have no power. Therefore we are, in all respect, we are dependent. Thatwe

have got very nice experience. This hand is moving, but if the power

iswithdrawn, I cannot move my hand. Therefore I am not independent to move

myhand. So upadrasta anumanta. We cannot do anything without being sanctionedby

the Supreme Lord. There is an English word, that not even a grass moveswithout

the sanction of the Lord. So that is a fact. So how one is doingnice thing and

how one is doing evil things if He is the order giver? Thatis our independence.

We can take sanction from the Lord. If we want to dosomething evil, I cannot do

it without the sanction of the Supreme. Or evenif I do something very nice,

that also I cannot do without the sanction. Sohow the Lord gives such sanction?

The sanction is like this: just like achild is crying to get something from the

parent, and the parent, beingdisgusted, gives him something, "All right. Take

it." Such kind ofsanction. When we do something evil, the sanction is from the

Lord, but itis not willing sanction. Against the will of the Lord. And when you

dosomething in cooperation with the Lord, that is called bhakti. We are

doingeverything... In the material world we are doing everything, all

nonsensefor sense gratification. There is also sanction of the Lord, but that

isunwilling sanction. But when we execute devotional service, lovingdevotional

service, that is very pleasing to the Lord.760515mw.hon Pusta Krsna: They

counter that if God is all-powerful, He can do anything.So why not He can

create a soul and that soul can then be eternal from thatpoint?Prabhupada:

Hm?Pusta Krsna: The Christian may argue that God is all-powerful, so God

hascreated the soul, and from that point the soul is eternal.Prabhupada: Soul

is eternal, we admit.Pusta Krsna: But only from that point, not in the

past.Prabhupada: Not in the past?Pusta Krsna: Yes, because according to

Biblical philosophy you only haveone lifetime in this world.Prabhupada: Then

who goes to heaven?Pusta Krsna: Persons who adopt the principles.Prabhupada:

And if one life, then who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?Pusta Krsna: Very

few go to heaven.Prabhupada: ANYONE, IF HE GOES TO HELL OR HEAVEN, THEN WHY DO

YOU SAY "ONELIFE"? THEN ANOTHER LIFE. OTHERWISE WHAT IS THE MEANING OF GOING TO

HEAVENOR HELL?Hari-sauri: No. They get one chance to good or bad, and then

finish.Prabhupada: Eh?Hari-sauri: They get one chance. Do good or bad. Then you

either go toheaven or to hell. But you don't get another chance.Prabhupada: But

if he goes heaven means there is another life. How do yousay "one life"? This

is defective philosophy.Pusta Krsna: But this is what God has said in the

Bible; therefore we mustaccept.Prabhupada: Eh?

Pusta Krsna: This is what God has said in the Bible; therefore we

mustaccept.Prabhupada: God, if He says something unreasonable, how it can be

accepted?You say, "one life." Then who goes to the next life? That is

defective. Whydo you not talk back?Pusta Krsna: (break) ...cannot explain why

some people are born in a morepious setting and some people are born in a more

impious setting.Prabhupada: Because they do not know the karma. Karmana daiva

netrena.

According to one's activities, pious or impious, he gets the next birth.That is

quite reasonable. But they do not believe in karma. When I wasstudent in

Scottish Churches College, so we had to attend class, half anhour, Bible. So

the Dr. Urquhart, he did.... The argument was: "So if karmais there and I am

suffering for my karma, who is the witness?" But becausethey do not know that

the witness is God.Pusta Krsna: He asked that question?Prabhupada: Yes, he

asked that question. (break) Paramatma.... They say"Holy Ghost." What is that

Holy Ghost?Pusta Krsna: The Holy Ghost is supposed to give knowledge to persons

whohave embraced the teaching.Prabhupada: Therefore He is seeing what you are

doing. So according to youraction, the Holy Ghost gives you another birth.

(break) ...sarva-bhutanamhrd-dese arjuna tisthati. (break)...dictating

everyone's heart, and He isobserving. Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani

mayaya.Pusta Krsna: (break) ...contends that if a person does not become

fullyaware in this lifetime of God, then they don't have another chance,

andthey are condemned to hell for eternity.Prabhupada: The hell or heaven

doesn't matter. The next life is there. Howyou say "one life"? That is

defective theory. Therefore this philosophy cannot be accepted. Anything which

is defective is not to be accepted.

SB 6.1.42 The sun, fire, sky, air, demigods, moon, evening, day,

night,directions, water, land and Supersoul Himself all witness the activities

ofthe living entity.PURPORTThe members of some religious sects, especially

Christians, do notbelieve in the reactions of karma. We once had a discussion

with a learnedChristian professor who argued that although people are generally

punishedafter the witnesses of their misdeeds are examined, where are the

witnessesresponsible for one's suffering the reactions of past karma? To such

aperson the answer by the Yamadutas is given here. A conditioned soul

thinksthat he is working stealthily and that no one can see his

sinfulactivities, but we can understand from the sastras that there are

manywitnesses, including the sun, fire, sky, air, moon, demigods, evening,

day,night, directions, water, land and the Supersoul Himself, who sits with

theindividual soul within his heart. Where is the dearth of witnesses?

Thewitnesses and the Supreme Lord both exist, and therefore so many

livingentities are elevated to higher planetary systems or degraded to

lowerplanetary systems, including the hellish planets. There are

nodiscrepancies, for everything is arranged perfectly by the management ofthe

Supreme God (svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca).690426LE.BOS And the Bhagavata

says, parabhavas tavad abodha-jato yavan na jijnasataatma-tattvam: "A man is

supposed to be defeated in all his activities if hedoes not inquire what he

is." This statement is also in Bible, you know,that "If one loses his own self

and he gains all material prosperity, whatdoes he gain?" Actually, this is the

fact.

740628LE.MEL Just like in Bible also there are so many commandments that "You

shall notdo this," because they are sinful. A sinful man cannot approach God.

Thatis the verdict of Vedic literature.yesam tv anta-gatam papamjananam

punya-karmanamte dvandva-moha-nirmukta

bhajante mam drdha-vratahOne who is completely free from the reaction of sinful

life, he cancompletely devote in the service of the Lord. So the common

platform isthere. God is neither Hindu nor Muslim, nor the method of

approaching Godmay be different, but the ultimate end is how to love God or how

to serveGod.50302LE.ATL Devotee: In the Bible they say that the animals don't

have soul; thereforeit's not the same as killing.Prabhupada: I do not know

whether it is said. (break) ...expert in callingBible, but where it is said, he

does not know. He is so expert in Bible(laughter) How do you know? Now, apart

from Bible or any scripture, how doyou find that the animal has no soul? How do

you consider it? What is thesymptom of having soul? That is very easy, but you

do not know. When thesoul is gone from the body, it does not move. And when the

soul is there,it moves. This is the understanding of soul. So do you think the

animaldoes not move? The animal has no blood? The animal has no bone? How do

yousay that animal has no soul? This is foolishness. The soul is there. Evenone

small ant, there is soul. Otherwise how it is moving? So long the soulis there,

the dull material body is moving. And as soon as the soul isgone, you will cry,

"My father has gone away." Why your father gone? It islying there. Why do you

say, "My father has gone away"? This is ignorance.We do not know what is soul.

We see the body. So long I have seen the bodyof my father. Now the soul has

gone. I am crying, "My father has goneaway." But did you see your father? "Yes,

that body." The body is there.Why you are crying? So it is very common sense

affair to understand wherethere is soul. A big stone, a big mountain, it cannot

move although it isso big. And a small ant is moving. Why? There is soul. So how

can you saythe animals have no soul? This is ignorance. Tatha dehantara-praptih.

Thesoul being within the body means it is changing the body from babyhood

tochildhood, childhood to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, like that. And ifthe

child is born dead--no more change of body. That is the proof thatthere is

soul. Soul means the living force which is moving the body. Thatis soul. How

you can say the animal has no soul? Everyone has soul. Eventhe grass has soul,

because it is growing, changing body. (break) ...simplething.

Ceto-darpana-marjanam. Because all dirty things are within ourheart. On account

of dirty things we are thinking that "I have got soul,and the animal has no

soul." This is due to dirtiness of the heart. So ifyou chant Hare Krsna, the

heart will be cleansed. Just like a mirror with adust, you cannot see, but if

this dust is cleansed, then you can see yourface very nicely. Similarly,

because on account of material contaminationour heart is unclean, we cannot see

things as they are, but the chantingprocess will cleanse your heart, and then

you will see everything in order.Then you will not say the animal has no

soul.SPL 69-05-27 YamunaWe are compared as the shadow of the Supreme

Personality of Godhead,and as it is stated in the Bible also, man is made after

God. We understandfrom the scriptures that Krishna has His Vigraha, or Spiritual

Body,exactly like a man who has two hands, two legs and all similar features. If

you decorate your face, you do not see directly how your face has become

beautiful, but when you see the reflection of your face in the mirror,

thenindirectly you can see the beauty. Therefore, by serving Krishna

directlythe result of the service indirectly comes to us. Just like we offer

verynice prasadam directly to Krishna, but indirectly we enjoy the nice tasteof

the prasadam. So we should always remember this, that Krishna is alwaysfull in

Himself; He does not want a pinch of our help for his satisfaction,but if we

try to satisfy Him in so many ways as directed by acaryas and

scriptures, indirectly we become benefited by such activities.

730712r2.lon Hamsaduta: In the Bible also, in the very beginning page, there's a

verse.After God created everything, the animals and the trees and

everything,then He gave allotment of food to the human society. It says very

plainlythat "The seed-bearing plants and trees of the earth shall be your meat,

orshall be your food."Prabhupada: Just see.Hamsaduta: And it says

nothing...Prabhupada: Vegetables.740611mw.par Prabhupada: That is still lower

grade man. But so far experience that "Ihave not... God is beyond my

experience." Another point that in the Bible,Christ, Lord Christ says that "My

Lord, Thy be hallowed..." What is that?Devotees: "Hallowed be Thy

name."Prabhupada: So God has name.Pusta-krsna: "Our Father who art in heaven,

hallowed by Thy name."Prabhupada: Eh? So he admits God has His name. But it may

be that he didnot disclose or did not like to say, but there is already name. So

it is upto the followers to know what is that name.40615rc.par Prabhupada:

Christians, they cannot say that God is impersonal. (French)Because, because

Christ is son of God. So the son is person. How the Fathercan be imperson? And

in the Bible it is said, "There was word in thebeginning." That is God's word.

So if one has a word, then He's a person.Word comes from the tongue and mouth.

As soon as there is word, backgroundis tongue and mouth. And then... The

Christians pray in the church, "Oh,God, give us our daily bread." So God has

got ear so that He will hear andsupply. But His personality, His word, His

hearing, they're alltranscendental, nonmaterial.740615rc.par Prabhupada: Yes.

Just like in the Bible it is said, "There was only word inthe beginning." So in

the beginning, there was word. That means that wordis not the word of this

material creation.Note:Transmigration of soul to another

destination.750610mw.hon Prabhupada: Otherwise what is the meaning of going to

God? They believe it.Siddha-svarupa: Yes.Prabhupada: What is, the Bible says,

"Come to kingdom of God"?Siddha-svarupa: Yes.Prabhupada: So if you have no next

life, how you are going to there?Siddha-svarupa: Yes. They accept another

life.Prabhupada: Then that is... Another life means soul.

750401rc.may Ravindra-svarupa: In the Bible they give twelve names for

God.Prabhupada: No, let me finish this. If you do not accept Krsna is the

nameof God,... I have explained what is the idea of Krsna. The Krsna

meansall-attractive. The example is given: Just like gold. Gold is attractive

toeveryone--to the educated, the uneducated, to the black, to the white,

man,woman, everyone. One who knows God, er, one who knows gold--gold

isattractive. Similarly, God is all-attractive. There cannot be that "It

isblack gold,It is white gold,It is Christian gold,It is Hindu

gold." No. Gold is gold. So we present Krsna that "Here is God,

all-attractive." Now you say, "No, He's not God." Then you present

yourGod.Pancadravida: Well, I know just the...Prabhupada: You cannot say,

reject. They cannot reject Krsna unless youpresent an alternative.Pancadravida:

Well, here's the argument. Part of the thing I remember inthe Judeo tradition,

Judeo-Christian tradition, in the... Whenever we usedto go to service and all

that, they used to have in the prayer books...They would never write out the

name of God because they say...Prabhupada: Oh, that means you do not

know.Pancadravida: No, they say God's name should never be spoken out

loud.Prabhupada: Why?Pancadravida: I don't know.Prabhupada: This is nonsense.

If you know somebody, why should you say,"His name should not be

explained"?Brahmananda: They say that God's name is so pure and we are so

impure thatto utter His name is to make it impure.Ravindra-svarupa: Is

blasphemy.Acyutananda: No, I heard the explanation that a nonbeliever should

not knowit.Prabhupada: That is all right.Acyutananda: So they don't say it out

loud.Prabhupada: No, when we come to argument that... We are supposed to be

allbelievers in God. We are not nonbelievers. We simply want to ascertain whois

that God. We are not nonbelievers. Then some persons who believe in Godcome

together so to ascertain who is God. So just like when we come to ameeting to

elect a president, so they are not nonbelievers. They are notnonbelievers. As

there are so many personalities, candidate for president,now who is the right

person to become the president? That is wanted. To thenonbelievers, he has no

access. About discussion in God he has no access.When we discuss about God, it

is supposed they are all believers. So if yousay... Just like we are holding

meeting to ascertain... There are so manynames of God. Now we ascertain who is

real God. God means there should beno more above Him. Mattah parataram nanyat.

That is God.Visnujana: Christians have such a name. They call Him

Yahweh.Acyutananda: Yahweh.Visnujana: Yahweh means "I am that I am. No one is

beyond Me."Acyutananda: Yahweh.Visnujana: They will say Yahweh is

God.Prabhupada: No, Yahweh, what is...? That is the name?Visnujana: Name. "I am

that..." It means in English, "I am that I am."Prajapati: Some people translate

that as jehovah.Visnujana: jehovah.Prajapati: But it's the same word. In fact,

everyone agrees they do notknow what the real name is. Some say Yahweh; some

say jehovah. The Jewishtradition replaces completely and says Adonai,

instead.Prabhupada: That's all right. He may not say. But we have to take from

themeaning. What is the meaning?Visnujana: "No one is beyond Me."

Prabhupada: THAT'S ALL RIGHT. "NO ONE IS BEYOND ME." THEN HE COMES TO

OURCONCLUSION, ALL-ATTRACTIVE. THIS IS... THEY COME TO OUR

CONCLUSION,ALL-ATTRACTIVE. BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS BEYOND HIM, THEN HE SHOULD

BEATTRACTIVE. BUT IF HE'S FINAL ATTRACTIVE, THEN ALL-ATTRACTIVE, KRSNA.

KRSNAMEANS ALL-ATTRACTIVE. What do you think?

DENYING THE MASTERThere are a number of strikingly similar parallels which both

SrilaPrabhupada and Jesus Christ encountered. For instance Jesus Christ

couldforesee that his disciples would deny him or betray him.Srila Prabhupada

could also foresee the same DENYING BY HIS OWN DISCIPLES.With the disappearance

of the acarya Srila Prabhupada they formed a groupof "voted in" as "spiritual

masters" something like the voting in system ofcatholic popes. This is a

concoction. On the July 9th 1977 letter to theISKCON Society Srila Prabhupada

ordered a Ritvik system whereas he , SrilaPrabhupada was the INITIATING guru

and those disciples initiated were SrilaPrabhupada's disciples. Which is also

so obvious because the discipline wascoming from Srila Prabhupada through his

books. Srila Prabhupada NEVERrevoked this 9th july1977 order. However, after

his passing away the"disciples" betrayed him they also tried to HIDE this order

so that they cancontinue their God-play(they wanted to be Acarya) and manipulate

devotees.Srila Prabhupada foresaw this event and he wrote in the Srimad

Bhagavatam :SB 4.28.48 Whenever an acarya comes, following the superior orders

of the SupremePersonality of Godhead or His representative, he establishes the

principlesof religion, as enunciated in Bhagavad-gita. Religion means abiding

by theorders of the Supreme personality of Godhead. Religious principles

beginfrom the time one surrenders to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It

isthe acarya's duty to spread a bona fide religious system and induceeveryone

to bow down before the Supreme Lord. One executes the religiousprinciples by

rendering devotional service, specifically the nine itemslike hearing, chanting

and remembering. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THE ACARYADISAPPEARS, ROGUES AND

NONDEVOTEES TAKE ADVANTAGE AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO INTRODUCE UNAUTHORIZED

PRINCIPLES IN THE NAME OF SO-CALLED SVAMIS, YOGIS, PHILANTHROPISTS, WELFARE

WORKERS AND SO ON.

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