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Ikram Bhai,

 

> > You have talked about Sikhs, Kashmir and christians having been subdued

in India. Christians are engaged in conversion of poors all over the world

except in the MUslim countries. Mother teressa, who was awarded highest

award, admitted having converted thousands to christianity, a ticket to

> > paradise. It would be natural for hard liner Hindus to make a hue and

cry.

> > Compared to our country, donot even think of matching India's secular

> > values.

> >

> > Sikhs are spread around all over India, leading a properous life. It is

> true

> > that those who wanted seperate nationhood were crushed. But look at us

> what

> > did we do to Bangladeshis? They wanted to seperate, how did we deal with

> > them. Did we send them flowers of roses? Lakhs were mercilessely killed

by

> > our soldiers and their women folks raped.

> >

> > You are talking about Kashimir? Those militants trained and backed by

us,

> > who are involved in killing of innocent Hindus and Muslims are being

> > targetted. Seperatist such as Yassin Malik, Gellanis, Butts and Dhars

are

> > being treated royally by Indians with the hope that they would have

change

> > of the heart. But they are not at all being harrassed or ill treated.

> >

> > Now coming to the important point. You are saying that if Indians had

> > tolerence, Pakistan would not have come into an existence. The biggest

> > culprit who did the partition of India is none other than MOhd Ali

Jinnah.

> > He is not our "Babae Watan", he is "Satyanashae Watan". He was champion

of

> > two nation theory on the basis of Islam. Except Islamic name, there is

> > nothing Islamic about Jinnah. He had no right to talk about Islam. He

ate

> > pork, drank whiskey, womanised, smoked, never prayed or went to Mosque.

He

> > suffered terrible inferiority complex vis a vis Ghandhi and Nehru.

Ghandhi

> > exhausted all his resources trying to convince him against the

partition.

> He

> > prayed with his folded hands, embraced him and touched his feet to give

up

> > the idea of Pakistan, but Jinnah did not budge.

> >

> > This idiot was even offered a prime Ministership of then united India

with

> > Nehru and Patel serving him as his deputies but this blind man declined.

> He

> > knew his weaknesses. He knew that he could not chair the meetings as a

> head,

> > with Nehru and Patel and other Indian intellectuals around. He was

> > intellectually bankrupt.

> >

> > We are now suffering from this historic blunder. Sindh in particular

> because

> > we never wanted to be part of the Pakistan. We would have been happy

> either

> > as independent or with India with our Hindu diaspora. Sindhis are now

> upset

> > at the turn of events having got the influx of Mohajirs in return. They

> have

> > been complaing against superiority of Mohajirs and high handedness of

> > Punjabis. Had there been no partition, Mohajirs would have been happy at

> > their respective places. There is nothing wrong with Mohajirs really. It

> is

> > an intellectual community. We would have prospered with our Hindu

Sindhis

> as

> > they do know the art of making money. Look at the world famous surnames,

> > Harilellas, Rahejas, Hindujas, Advanis, Mirchandanis, the list is

endless.

> > These groups have no time to count their wealth. Imagine how prosperous

> > Sindh would have been had these people not left us. Hindus would then

have

> > automaticlly taken care of Punjabi hegemony.

> >

> > Had partition not taken place, there would have been no problem of

> Kashmir,

> > Bangladesh and all other related problems. Look how many millions of

> people

> > have died due to this since independece. Jinnah the cause should be

> > condemned in no uncertain worlds.

> >

> > And what have we got after the partition? Are Muslims in India not

better

> > off than us here? And are we not again on verge of further break up

after

> > Bangaldesh? We must confess Muslims have uper hand in India too. And

> without

> > partition donot you think we would have furhter enjoyed superiority over

> > others in united India?

> >

> > Stop blaming India for the partition. The culprit is here in country

known

> > as "Babae Watan"

> >

> > This is for the time being.

> >

> >

> >

> > >Ikramul Haq <ikramulhaq_1999

> > >

> > >Hi ahmed

> > >

> > >i will take u to task on only one issue that of

> > >india's excellent track record on tolerance...while i

> > >also prefer to talk about pakistan generally one has

> > >to correct misunderstandings about others as well..in

> > >pakistan generally excellent care is taken of statutes

> > >etc...despite being butt shkan...also the bhudda

> > >statues were blown up by afghans and we really cant

> > >take credit for that...

> > >

> > >As for the indians if they had any tolerance pakistan

> > >would never have come into existence...their excellent

> > >track record on tolerance for other religions is

> > >depicted clearly in recent history by their attitude

> > >towards sikhs, kashmiris, christians...also what

> > >happened in gujerat was little more than a

> > >genocide...the same is still happening in kashmir

> > >while the sikhs have been subdued by literally

> > >eliminating all supporters of khalistan...while one

> > >must critisize ones own country for change one must

> > >not forget the evils of other nations so blindly....

> > >

> > >Ikram Ul Haq

> > >

> > >ps: i sometimes think that there is little difference

> > >beteen roddick rahul, sam turkman and perhaps ahmed

> > >bhutto is also following in their footsteps...

> > >--- Ahmad Bhutto <ahmad_bhutto wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Well done Mr. Turkman, you deserve salutations.

> > > > Indeed a courageous write

> > > > up. I wanted to write on the similar lines but

> > > > lacked the courage. This is

> > > > exactly the same reply I wanted to give to "Rahul

> > > > Rodrick" aka "Kautlya

> > > > Maurya" aka "Behari" when he responded to someone

> > > > asking why a Christian was

> > > > being held on blasphemy in Pakistan. Instead of

> > > > talking about Pakistan he

> > > > started talking about India. We are very good at it.

> > > > Someone asks us why are

> > > > we sick, we start counting diseases of our

> > > > neighbours. By that we are

> > > > fooling no one else but ourselves. No transformation

> > > > will come about if are

> > > > blind to the ourselves. We can never compare

> > > > ourselves with India and match

> > > > its excellent track record on tolerance. We the

> > > > Muslims by our inherent

> > > > nature are INTOLERANT AND FULL OF HATRED towards

> > > > Non Muslims. I donot think

> > > > we have inherited this from Quran. I would very much

> > > > be interested to learn

> > > > why this hatred towards other cultures. So far I

> > > > have failed my research.

> > > >

> > > > Iran was Zoroasthan. When Islam grew there, we

> > > > kicked out Parsis to India.

> > > >

> > > > Afghanistan was Bhudist, we kicked them out. We also

> > > > recently borke down

> > > > pricelss ancient Lord Bhuda's sculptures.

> > > >

> > > > Lebanon was a Paris of Middle east till christian

> > > > ahd majority. The moment

> > > > we the Muslims over took them, we waged a civil was

> > > > and turned it into a

> > > > hell.

> > > >

> > > > Egypt was Pharaoon. We turned them into a museum

> > > > value.

> > > >

> > > > Islamic invadors continously invaded then united

> > > > India form different

> > > > directions and at different times and indulged into

> > > > killings, rapes, loots

> > > > and destructions of countless temples. We built

> > > > mosques over the temples,

> > > > notable among them is Babri Mosque. Hindus are

> > > > pleading for the return of

> > > > the land in lieu of peace and we are refusing their

> > > > original right. Our own

> > > > Hindu ancessetors were forcibly converted to Islam

> > > > resulting birth of

> > > > Pakistan and Bangladesh. Due to that, no peace

> > > > prevails in the subcontinent.

> > > >

> > > > As if this is not enough, we are now driving away

> > > > Hindus from their

> > > > acestoral lands such as Jacobabad and other rural

> > > > areas of Sindh. They are

> > > > either fleeing to India are settling in big cities

> > > > such as Karachi,

> > > > Hyderabad. The same ethnic cleansing is going on in

> > > > Indian occupied Kashmir

> > > > by our brave soldiers of Islam. Whereas Muslims

> > > > population in India has

> > > > grown by over 700% since partition, Non Muslim

> > > > population in our country has

> > > > fast declined and soon will be extinct at this rate.

> > > > And we are comapring

> > > > ourselves with India! Mother Teressa can only

> > > > flourish in India and get

> > > > awarded with a highest award "Bharat Ratna". Her

> > > > successor Sis. Nirmala is a

> > > > Hindu turned Christian. Can we imagine this here.

> > > > Had Mother Teressa dared

> > > > to settle in Pakistan, we would have slaughtered her

> > > > and celebrated "Baqr

> > > > Eid". Hindu Majority Kearala state"s chief minister

> > > > is Christian. So has

> > > > been the case with Goa number of times.

> > > > Maharashtra's chief minister was a

> > > > Muslim, Abdul Rahman Antulay. Bihar had one in 1974.

> > > > Muslims Minsiters and

> > > > Dy. Chief ministers are in plenty in centre and

> > > > Indian states, not to talk

> > > > about President of India who also is a Muslim. What

> > > > reciprocity have we

> > > > given to minorities here in Pakistan?

> > > >

> > > > As per human rights report, 95% of communal violence

> > > > in India were started

> > > > by Muslims and mainly again due to intolerence. Two

> > > > days back we killed 10

> > > > Hindus in the state of Kerala. A Muslim named Sultan

> > > > Mian kidnapped a

> > > > Married Hundu girl Kanchan Mishra along with her son

> > > > and forcibly married

> > > > her in the mosque. Every one talked about Gujrat but

> > > > no one says that it was

> > > > we who started it by burning the compartment.

> > > > Imagine had a Christian burnt

> > > > a compartment with people shouting "Allaho Akbar"

> > > > somewhere at Lahore

> > > > station, do you think a single christian would have

> > > > been alive today in

> > > > Pakistan? Had a Parsi kidnapped a married Muslim

> > > > girl with a child and

> > > > forcibly married her, would a single Parsi be there

> > > > in Pakistan today? We

> > > > have a long way to go before we even dream of

> > > > matching ourselves with India

> > > > in any manner?

> > > >

> > > > It is high time we do some introspection and accept

> > > > the fact that our

> > > > ancessetory is not ARAB. It is either Hindu or

> > > > Budhist. We may then begin to

> > > > rid ourselves of hatred, intolerance and start

> > > > living in peace first with

> > > > oursleves and then with every one else.

> > > >

> > > > Ahmad

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > >"S Turkman" <Sturkman

> > > > >Sure, no ancient Mosques exist in Spain, former

> > > > Yugoslavia, Poland, etc.

> > > > >People ... ! If you find them there, please do not

> > > > believe ... ! They do

> > > > >not exist. You are only hallucinating ... ! ....

> > > > Only Churches exist in

> > > > >Moslem Countries because Moslems are so tolerant

> > > > people.

> > > > >

> > > > >Moslems are not being allowed to build Mosques in

> > > > Non-Moslem countries,

> > > > >right?

> > > > >All the Mosques in USA and Non-Moslem countries are

> > > > being demolished

> > > > >because Christians are not tolerant people,

> > > > correct?

> > > > >

> > > > >Without a reason of doubt, Moslems are the most

> > > > tolerant people.

> > > > >Well, then tell me, ...

> > > > >

> > > > >* What happened to Parsi, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu,

> > > > Sikh and 'Jain MaTT'

> > > > >temples of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh?

> > > > >* What happened to all the Ancient Churches that

> > > > existed in North Africa,

> > > > >Canaan (Israel Palestine, Labanon), Syria and Iraq

> > > > before 7th Century

> > > > >Moslem Invasion of those lands?

> > > > >* What happened to all the Jewish Temples and

> > > > Forts of, what is now Saudi

> > > > >Arabia and Jordan?

> > > > >* What happened to all the ancient Parsi Temples

> > > > of the World Super Power

> > > > >of ancient days, Persia that once existed from

> > > > North Africa to India and

> > > > >Greece to Eastern China?

> > > > >* What happened to Higah Sofia of ancient

> > > > Constantinople now called

> > > > >Istanbul, Turkey? Why is it a Mosque as we see it

> > > > dominating the sky-line

> > > > >of that city now?

> > > > >* What happened to all the ancient Churches of

> > > > Turkey that are mentioned

> > > > >in the Bible?

> > > > >

> > > > >* Where's the Sikh Temple that I saw on Guru Nanak

> > > > Street in Lahore, when

> > > > >I was younger?

> > > > >* Where's the Temple that used to be outside Shah

> > > > Aalmi Gate, Lahore? Was

> > > >

> > >=== message truncated ===

> > >

> > >

> > >

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