Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 HOME GURU For all Hare Krishna books, MP3's, VHS Tapes, incense, etc. Re: Bhakti Caru Swami's Article Search Krishna StoreIntroductionRealAudioPrabhupadaSri KrishnaScienceSocietyYogaIndiaReligionTemplesLettersThe GuruDevoteesChantingBooksPreachingLord CaitanyaWeb LinksISKCONKrishna.org SUBMIT AN ARTICLE EMAIL US Prabhupada MP3 Audio Archive --> Please Support Krishna.org Please enter the amount you would like to donate $ Krishna Store His Divine GraceA.C. Bhaktivedanta SwamiPrabhupadaFounder-Acarya of theHare Krishna Movement I was happy to read Bhakti Caru Swami's article in which he states: "Nevertheless, everyday, in all the temples of ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada is worshipped by everyone. Then why do we hesitate to tell a new comer who is searching for a guru that Srila Prabhupada, the best guru the world has ever seen, is still here, and one can surrender unto him and go back to Godhead very easily?" Mahesh dasa (06-17-03) When we have such a great good fortune, why do we not take full advantage of it? It is only when we do so that the glorious days of ISKCON will come back again and we will witness Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's sankirtan movement starting to spread in leaps and bounds all over the world." As much as I welcome his verbal talk on surrender to Srila Prabhupada I would like to see some practical action on his part. Where is it? Has he surrendered "his disciples" to Srila Prabhupada? Charity begins at home. First, give back to Srila Prabhupada what you have stolen from him then talk of surrender. The disciples who follow the 4 regulative principles, 16 rounds and Srila Prabhupada's discipline (instructions contained in Srila Prabhupada's books) ARE FACTUALLY Srila Prabhupada's disciples. Please read the following: ONE WHO IS ACCEPTING DISCIPLINE FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA IS SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLE.Note: we are ALL being DISCIPLINED by Srila Prabhupada (we receiveinstructions---(discipline) from Srila Prabhupada's books.The MEANING of the word "disciple"760308mw.mayPrabhupäda: Discipline... Disciple means discipline. The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must... That should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya... sisya, the word sisya, it comes from the root, verb, säs-dhätu. säs. säs means ruling. >From this word, sasana. Sasana means government. sästra. säshtra means weapon, and sästra, scripture, and sisya... These things have come from the one root säs-dhätu.So säs-dhätu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word, that "Obedience is the first law of discipline," or something. They say, "Obedience is the first law of discipline"? So I am right? "Obedience is..."? That is the...Tamäla Krsna: Yes, that's more or less what it is.Prabhupäda: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word."Obedience is the first law of discipline." So unless there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.Discipline comes from Srila PrabhupadaNOTE: we are actually being diciplined by Srila Prabhupada. It is SrilaPrabhupada who has given us the regulative principles of no meat,fish or eggs; no intoxication(including tea and coffee), no illicit sex, and no gambling. It is Srila Prabhupada who has made it a regulative principle for us to chant sixteen rounds on the beads HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE /HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE. Srila Prabhupada's books contain all the instructions, the guidancerequired for us to get ourselves out of the clutches of the modes ofmaterial nature. Infact Srila prabhupada is personally present as hisbooks.CC Adi CH1 TEXT 35"There is NO DIFFERENCE between the spiritual masters instructions and the spiritual master himself".Note:since the instructions of the spiritual master and the spiritualmaster are not different one can be the disciple of Srila Prabhupada byfollowing his discipline and can be considered Srila Prabhupada's disciple. Another point is he can be considered both direct disciple and not direct simultaneously because Srila Prabhupada is still present in his instruction form(his books) The following example will illustrate the point.Srila Krsnadasa kaviraja is the example of both direct and not direct disciple simultaneously.(THE PHILOSOPHY OF SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS ANDDIFFERENCE).CC ADI CH 1A direct disciple of Srila Rüpa Gosvämi was Srila Raghunätha däsa Gosvämi. The author of Sri Caitanya-caritämrta, Srila Krsnadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämi, stands as the DIRECT DISCIPLE of Srila Rüpa Gosvämi and Srila Raghunätha däsa Gosvämi. The direct disciple of Srila Krsnadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämi was Srila Narottama däsa Thäkura, who accepted Srila Visvanätha Cakravarti as his servitor. Srila Visvanätha Cakravarti Thakura accepted Srila Jagannätha däsa Bäbäji, who initiated Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who in turn initiated Srila Gaurakishore däsa Bäbäji, the spiritual master of Om Visnupada Srila Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Gosvämi Mahäräja, the divine master of our humbleself. Since we belong to this chain of disciplic succession from Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu, this edition of Sri Caitanya-caritämrta will contain nothing newly manufactured by our tiny brains, but only remnants of food originally eaten by the Lord Himself.CC Antya 19.102Krsnadäsa Kaviräja Gosvämi was not actually a direct disciple of Srila Rüpa Gosvämi, but he FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS given by Srila Rüpa Gosvämi in Bhakti-rasämrta-sindhu. He therefore ACTED ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS of Rüpa Gosvämi and prayed in every chapter for his mercy."WHO IS SRILA PRABHUPAD'S DISCIPLE?760613mw.detPrabhupäda: Who is my disciple? First of all let him FOLLOW STRICTLY THE DISCIPLINED RULES.Devotee (2): As long as one is following, then he is...Prabhupäda: Then he is all right.SPL 72-09-21 BhaktijanaYou do not require to worry as I shall never leave you, you are my disciple and I am your spiritual master, so there is no question, AS LONG AS you follow my instructions, that I shall ever leave you. Just remember under all circumstances to chant sixteen rounds of japa daily, offer your prasadam to Krsna, and do all of the things which you already know, as you are senior disciple. These things will protect you under all conditions, without any doubt.SPL 75-11-07 MadhudvisaSO LONG AS one follows the principles, he continues to be my disciple.SPL 75-11-09 Tusta KrsnaSO LONG AS one continues to follow the rules and regulations, he continues to be my disciple wherever he may be.SPL 69-07-09Out of the ten kinds of offenses, the number one offense is to disobey the orders of the Spiritual Master. The instructions given to the disciple by the Spiritual Master at the time of initiation should be strictly followed. That will make one advance to the spiritual path. But if one deliberately defies such instructions, then his advancement is hampered from the very beginning. THIS DEFYING MEANS TO DISCONNECT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER. AND ANYONE WHO DEFIES AND THEREFORE DISCONNECTS THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER can hardly expect the assistance of the Spiritual Master life after life.SPL Cidananda 73-11-25Please always try to REMEMBER ME BY MY TEACHINGS AND WE SHALL ALWAYS BETOGETHER. Just like I have written in the first publications ofSrimad-Bhagavatam, "The spiritual Master lives forever by His divineinstruction and the disciple lives with him.", because I have alwaysserved my Guru Maharaja and followed His teachings I am now even neverseparated from Him. Sometimes Maya may come and try to interfere but wemust not falter, we must always follow the chalked out path layed down by the great acharya's and in the end you will see.Who is NOT Prabhupada's disciple?Initiation does not bear any meaningSPL 70-01-11Regarding your question of an initiated person falling prey to the maya, the answer is that so long we are in this material world, there is always chance of being spoiled by Maya, so we must stick with vow to the Lotus Feet of Krishna. An initiated devotee is given the chance for becoming free from the entanglement of karma wheel. Initiated means beginning, not perfection. The Spiritual Master's business is to guide him to the perfectional point. But if one does not strictly follow the guidance of a bonafide Spiritual Master HIS INITIATION DOES NOT BEAR ANY MEANING. The initiation performance is an agreement by the disciples to abide by the order of the Spiritual Master. Therefore, if the Spiritual Master is bonafide and the disciple is serious to abide by His order, then the success is sure.Otherwise they are NOT my disciplesSPL 76-0217 Raja LaksmiMy advise is always chant 16 rounds minimum and follow the four regulative principles. All of my disciples must agree on this point OTHERWISE THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLES. Note: it has become a norm among the sahajiya’s like Narayana Maharaja to call himself a siksa disciple of Srila Prabhupada and still have beard and hair unshaved. Srila Prabhupada clearly rejects this behaviour. Against the principleSPL76-07-17 DhrstaketuUnless absolutely necessary, one should keep head shaven and not allow the hair to grow long. If absolutely necessary, one can dress like an American gentleman, with short hair, but long hair is prohibited. The reason that one with long hair is not my disciple is because he is AGAINST THE PRINCIPLE. Unless absolutely necessary one should keep hair short, and if necessary one can dress like an American gentleman with short hair. It is not expected that everyone will join. For that reason we can't compromise. The tendency is there to be hippy. When the acaryas are seen with beard, that is during Caturmasya, July-September. If observed strictly there is not simply a beard. There are so many rules and regulations. One can't eat a variety of foods. Only kitri prepared and poured on the floor, and then licked up. There are so many other rules also. THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THAT THEY KEPT BEARD.Disciple in name onlySPL 760710MW.NYPrabhupäda: And the Bon Mahäräja is his follower. HE'S IN NAME a disciple of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati, BUT HE'S A SERVANT OF Vivekananda.Tamäla Krsna: He's very similar to him.Prabhupäda: He's a great appreciator of Vivekananda. He has put in hiscurriculum Vivekananda philosophy, Gandhi philosophy. Rascal, whatphilosophy they have got?STEALING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLES, HIS PROPERTIES FOR ONESELF(BECOMING SELF MADE GURU---APPOINTMENT BY 2/3 MAJORITY VOTES) HAVE GRAVECONSEQUENCES:KB 64 The Story of King NrgaAt this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who weremembers of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplarycharacter of King Nrga, He said, "Even though a ksatriya king may be aspowerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of abrahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how canordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves as the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana's property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana's property. For ordinary poison there is treatment--one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the poison of taking a brahmana's property, there is no remedy for the mistake.THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS KING NRGA. HE WAS VERY POWERFUL AND VERY PIOUS, BUT DUE TO THE SMALL MISTAKE OF UNKNOWINGLY USURPING A BRAHMANA'S COW, HE WAS CONDEMNED TO THE ABOMINABLE LIFE OF A LIZARD. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; BUT THE ARANI FIRE IGNITED BY THE SPIRITUAL POTENCY OF A BRAHMANA CAN BURN TO ASHES THE WHOLE FAMILY OF A PERSON WHO PROVOKES SUCH A BRAHMANA." (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) "IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA'S PROPERTY, HE IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA'S PROPERTY IS FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER'S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BECOME SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava, or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated."Lord Krsna continued: "If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana's property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICHHAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TOLIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL.THEREFORE I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT,EVEN BY MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOURWHOLE FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONEATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BEREDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HISROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. ASERPENT GIVES TROUBLE TO ALL OTHER LIVING ENTITIES. My dear boys andrelatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angrywith you and calls you by ill names or curses you, still you should notretaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life." Note: It has been a common practice among Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers to steal Srila Prabhupada's disciples by trickery. Sridhra Maharaja, Puri Maharaja is also known to have re-initiated Srila Prabhupada's disciples. Narayana maharaja is also culprit to this deplorable unvaisnava offensive insulting conduct. This act prove they conditioned souls. ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAT DIKSA AND SIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA!HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE/ HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE. **SCIENCE OF KRISHNA** Srila Prabhupada diksa guru(paramahamsa)well conversant in science of Krsna.Accept No Inferior Substitute. Srila Prabhupada is OUR DIKSA guru! SB 7.13.46As quoted in Caitanya-caritamrta (Madhya 8.128), Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu said:kiba vipra, kiba nyasi, sudra kene nayayei krsna-tattva-vetta sei 'guru' hayaA guru, or spiritual master, can be anyone who is well conversant with the science of Krsna. Therefore although Prahlada Maharaja was a grhastha ruling over the demons, he was a **paramahamsa**, the best of human beings, and **thus he is our guru**. Note: science means hypothesis, theory then **practical demonstration**. The 2/3 majority voted IS-CON "gurus" lack practical demonstration. Therefore they do not know the **complete science** of Krishna.We know for a fact that Srila Prabhupada(paramahamsa)is the pure devotee who has Krishna TELEVISED in his heart and when a devotee chants offenselessly PURE chanting means Love of Godhead. Srila Prabhupada TRANSMITS Krishna into the Madhyama-adhikaris heart. (see CC antya 4.192-4.194 madhyama-adhikari relishes loving mellows with Krishna). This is diksa. Antya 4.192 T Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri DIKSA-KALE bhakta kare atma-samarpana sei-kale krsna tare kare atma-sama SYNONYMS diksa-kale--at the time of initiation; bhakta--the devotee; kare--does; atma--of himself; samarpana--full dedication; sei-kale--at that time; krsna--Lord Krsna; tare--him; kare--makes; atma-sama--as spiritual as Himself. TRANSLATION AT THE TIME OF INITIATION, when a devotee FULLY SURRENDERS UNTO THE SERVICE OF THE LORD, Krsna accepts him to be AS GOOD AS HIMSELF. Antya 4.193 T Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri sei deha kare tara cid-ananda-maya aprakrta-dehe tanra carana bhajaya SYNONYMS sei deha--that body; kare--makes; tara--his; cit-ananda-maya--full of transcendental bliss; aprakrta-dehe--IN THAT TRANSCENDENTAL BODY; tanra--His; carana--feet; bhajaya--worships. TRANSLATION "When the devotee's body is thus transformed into spiritual existence, the devotee, IN THAT TRANSCENDENTAL BODY, renders service to the lotus feet of the Lord. Antya 4.194 T Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri martyo yada tyakta-samasta-karma niveditatma vicikirsito me tadamrtatvam pratipadyamano mayatma-bhuyaya ca kalpate vai SYNONYMS martyah--the living entity subjected to birth and death; yada--as soon as; tyakta--giving up; samasta--all; karmah--fruitive activities; nivedita-atma--a fully surrendered soul; vicikirsitah--desired to act; me--by Me; TADA--AT THAT TIME; AMRTATVAM--IMMORTALITY; pratipadyamanah--attaining; maya--with Me; atma-bhuyaya--for becoming of a similar nature; ca--also; kalpate--is eligible; vai--certainly. TRANSLATION Antya 4.194 Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri " 'The living entity who is subjected to birth and death, when he gives up all material activities dedicating his life to Me for executing My order, and thus acts according to My direction, AT THAT TIME HE REACHES THE PLATFORM OF IMMORTALITY, AND BECOMES FIT TO ENJOY THE SPIRITUAL BLISS OF EXCHANGE OF LOVING MELLOWS WITH ME.' PURPORT THIS IS A QUOTATION FROM SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM (11.29.34). AT THE TIME OF INITIATION, A DEVOTEE GIVES UP ALL HIS MATERIAL CONCEPTIONS. THEREFORE, BEING IN TOUCH WITH THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, HE IS SITUATED ON THE TRANSCENDENTAL PLATFORM. THUS HAVING ATTAINED KNOWLEDGE AND THE SPIRITUAL PLATFORM, HE ALWAYS ENGAGES IN THE SERVICE OF THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF KRSNA. WHEN ONE IS FREED FROM MATERIAL CONNECTIONS IN THIS WAY, HIS BODY IMMEDIATELY BECOMES SPIRITUAL, AND KRSNA ACCEPTS HIS SERVICE. However, Krsna does not accept anything from a person with a material conception of life. When a devotee no longer has any desire for material sense gratification, in his spiritual identity he engages in the service of the Lord, for his dormant spiritual consciousness awakens. This awakening of spiritual consciousness makes his body spiritual, and thus he becomes fit to render service to the Lord. Karmis may consider the body of a devotee material, but factually it is not, for a devotee has no conception of material enjoyment. If one thinks that the body of a pure devotee is material, he is an offender, for that is a vaisnava-aparadha. In this connection one should consult Srila Sanatana Gosvami's Brhad-bhagavatamrta (1.3.45 and 2.3.139). NoI 5 A madhyama-adhikari has received SPIRITUAL INITIATION from the spiritual master and has been FULLY ENGAGED BY HIM IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD. 760211SB.MAY LecturesIn the madhyama-adhikari he can see four things. What is that? Four things means, first of all the Supreme Lord, isvara, the controller, he can see. He can see means he understands, he appreciates, he can conceive, "Yes, the Supreme Lord is there". There is no more theoretical. NBS 2 P Narada-bhakti-sutraIf a person is fortunate enough to vanquish all misgivings caused by material existence and rise up to the stage of nistha, he can then rise to the stages of ruci (taste) and asakti (attachment for the Lord). Asakti is the beginning of love of Godhead. By progressing, one then advances to the stage of relishing a reciprocal exchange with the Lord in ecstasy (bhava). Every living entity is eternally related to the Supreme Lord, and this relationship may be in any one of many transcendental humors. At the stage called asakti, attachment, a person can understand his relationship with the Supreme Lord. When he understands his position, he begins reciprocating with the Lord. By constant reciprocation with the Lord, the devotee is elevated to the highest stage of love of Godhead, prema. NoI 7 Although maya may be present, it cannot disturb a devotee once he attains the bhava stage. This is because the devotee can see the real position of maya. Adi 7.83 Lord Caitanya in Five Features In this verse it is explained that one who chants the Hare Krsna mantra develops bhava, ecstasy, which is the point at which revelation begins. It is the preliminary stage in developing one's original love for God. Lord Krsna mentions this bhava stage in the Bhagavad-gita (10.8): aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate iti matva bhajante mam budha bhava-samanvitah "I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts." Madhya 15.108 The Lord Accepts Prasada at the House of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya "DIKSA IS THE PROCESS by which one can awaken HIS TRANSCENDENTAL KNOWLEDGE and VANQUISH ALL REACTIONS CAUSED BY SINFUL ACTIVITY. A person expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as diksa." Note: (Svarupa)CONSTITUTIONAL POSITION AS THE ETERNAL SERVITOR OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD realized resulting: VANQUISH ALL REACTIONS CAUSED BY SINFUL ACTIVITY. Karma (fruitive activity) burned up THIS is DIKSA. Bg 4.19 T Transcendental Knowledge yasya sarve samarambhah kama-sankalpa-varjitah jnanagni-dagdha-karmanam tam ahuh panditam budhah SYNONYMS yasya--one whose; sarve--all sorts of; samarambhah--in all attempts; kama--desire for sense gratification; sankalpa--determination; varjitah--are devoid of; jnana--of perfect knowledge; agni--fire; dagdha--being burnt by; karmanam--the performer; tam--him; ahuh--declare; panditam--learned; budhah--of those who know. TRANSLATION One is understood to be in full knowledge whose every act is devoid of desire for sense gratification. He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge. PURPORT Only a person in full knowledge can understand the activities of a person in Krsna consciousness. Because the person in Krsna consciousness is devoid of all kinds of sense-gratificatory propensities, IT IS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT HE HAS BURNED UP THE REACTIONS OF HIS WORK BY PERFECT KNOWLEDGE OF HIS CONSTITUTIONAL POSITION AS THE ETERNAL SERVITOR OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. He is actually learned who has attained to such perfection of knowledge. DEVELOPMENT OF THIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE ETERNAL SERVITORSHIP OF THE LORD IS COMPARED TO FIRE. SUCH A FIRE, ONCE KINDLED, CAN BURN UP ALL KINDS OF REACTIONS TO WORK. SB 1.2.21 T Divinity and Divine Service bhidyate hrdaya-granthis chidyante sarva-samsayah ksiyante casya karmani drsta evatmanisvare SYNONYMS bhidyate--pierced; hrdaya--heart; granthih--knots; chidyante--cut to pieces; sarva--all; samsayah--misgivings; ksiyante--terminated; ca--and; asya--his; karmani--chain of fruitive actions; drste--having seen; eva--certainly; atmani--unto the self; isvare--dominating. TRANSLATION Thus the knot in the heart is pierced, and all misgivings are cut to pieces. THE CHAIN OF FRUITIVE ACTIONS IS TERMINATED WHEN ONE SEES THE SELF AS MASTER. PURPORT ATTAINING SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD MEANS SEEING ONE'S OWN SELF SIMULTANEOUSLY. This enlightenment perfectly enables the devotee to distinguish spirit from matter because the knot of spirit and matter is untied by the Lord. This knot is called ahankara, and it falsely obliges a living being to become identified with matter. As soon as this knot is loosened, therefore, all the clouds of doubt are at once cleared off. One sees his master and fully engages himself in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, making a full termination of the chain of fruitive action. In material existence, a living being creates his own chain of fruitive work and enjoys the good and bad effects of those actions life after life. BUT AS SOON AS HE ENGAGES HIMSELF IN THE LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD, HE AT ONCE BECOMES FREE FROM THE CHAIN OF KARMA. HIS ACTIONS NO LONGER CREATE ANY REACTION. Note: UNLESS ONE IS INITIATED BY THE RIGHT PERSON, WHO ALWAYS CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE CANNOT ACQUIRE THE POWER TO CARRY THE SUPREME GODHEAD WITHIN THE CORE OF ONE'S OWN HEART. Krsna is TRANSMITTED from Srila Prabhupada’s heart to the PURE devotee disciples heart. Accepting a faulty bogus guru means no television in heart. Krsna does not go to faulty televison. No diksa!SB 1.6.33 P Conversation Between Narada and Vyasadeva The Absolute Personality of Godhead is not different from His transcendental name, form, pastimes and the sound vibrations thereof. As soon as a pure devotee engages himself in the pure devotional service of hearing, chanting and remembering the name, fame and activities of the Lord, at once He becomes VISIBLE TO THE TRANSCENDENTAL EYES of the PURE DEVOTEE by REFLECTING HIMSELF ON THE MIRROR OF THE HEART BY SPIRITUAL TELEVISION. Therefore a pure devotee who is related with the Lord in loving transcendental service can EXPERIENCE THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD AT EVERY MOMENT. SB 2.9.35 P Answers by Citing the Lord' s Version Therefore, although He is present in every atom, the Supreme Personality of Godhead may not be visible to the dry speculators; still the mystery is unfolded before the eyes of the pure devotees because their eyes are anointed with love of Godhead. And this love of Godhead can be attained only by the practice of transcendental loving service of the Lord, and nothing else. The vision of the devotees is not ordinary; it is purified by the process of devotional service. In other words, as the universal elements are both within and without, similarly the Lord's name, form, quality, pastimes, entourage, etc., as they are described in the revealed scriptures or as performed in the Vaikunthalokas, far, far beyond the material cosmic manifestation, are factually being televised in the heart of the devotee. The man with a poor fund of knowledge cannot understand, although by material science one can see things far away by means of television. FACTUALLY, THE SPIRITUALLY DEVELOPED PERSON IS ABLE TO HAVE THE TELEVISION OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ALWAYS REFLECTED WITHIN HIS HEART. THAT IS THE MYSTERY OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. 710907IN.LON Lectures So the time is up? No. (break) By initiated process one is elevated to the highest position in this material world. Brahmanas' position, in this material world, is the highest position. So this is a training to come to the brahminical stage. THEN ONE HAS TO SURPASS THAT BRAHMINICAL STAGE ALSO. THAT IS CALLED PURE GOODNESS. BRAHMANA IS GOODNESS, BUT THERE IS CHANCE OF BEING CONTAMINATED WITH PASSION AND IGNORANCE, BECAUSE IT IS MATERIAL WORLD. BUT WHEN (ONE) SURPASSES THAT BRAHMINICAL STAGE AND BECOMES PURE VAISNAVA, THEN KRSNA BECOMES REVEALED TO HIM. THEREFORE KRSNA'S NAME IS VASUDEVA. PURE STAGE OF LIFE IS CALLED VASUDEVA STAGE. JUST LIKE VASUDEVA WAS FATHER OF KRSNA. THAT MEANS WHEN ONE IS SITUATED IN THE VASUDEVA STAGE, SUDDHA-SATTVA, PURE GOODNESS, KRSNA IS BORN. KRSNA BORN MEANS KRSNA BECOMES VISIBLE, REVEALED. So this initiation process is gradually to raise a devotee to that platform. SB 10.2.18 Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb Thereafter, accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-auspicious for the entire universe, was TRANSFERRED FROM THE MIND OF VASUDEVA TO THE MIND OF DEVAKI. DEVAKI, HAVING THUS BEEN INITIATED BY VASUDEVA, BECAME BEAUTIFUL BY CARRYING LORD KRSNA, THE ORIGINAL CONSCIOUSNESS FOR EVERYONE, THE CAUSE OF ALL CAUSES, WITHIN THE CORE OF HER HEART, just as the east becomes beautiful by carrying the rising moon. PURPORT As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was transferred from the core of Vasudeva's mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki. We should note carefully that the Lord was transferred to Devaki not by the ordinary way for a human being, but by diksa, initiation. Thus the importance of initiation is mentioned here. UNLESS ONE IS INITIATED BY THE RIGHT PERSON, WHO ALWAYS CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE CANNOT ACQUIRE THE POWER TO CARRY THE SUPREME GODHEAD WITHIN THE CORE OF ONE'S OWN HEART.Srila Prabhupada is tattva-darsinah(seen Krsna by direct realization). Therefore he is able to **give** the holy name. The holy name is (pure devotee) Srila Prabhupada's property to give. ISKCONS GBC 2/3 majority votes "gurus" are not realized souls they CAN NOT TRANSMIT Krsna and his pastimes in anothers HEART. This is why all they performing is: ceremony of first and second initiations---but they want to be worshipped as God which is unacceptable!) Only(Srila Prabhupada as acarya) acarya is worshipped as good as God. SB 5.15.4 The word anusasmara is very significant. God consciousness is not imaginary or concocted. The devotee who is pure and advanced realizes God as He is. Maharaja Pratiha did so, and due to his **direct realization of Lord Visnu**, he propagated self-realization and became a preacher. A real preacher cannot be bogus; he must first of all realize Lord Visnu as He is. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gita (4.34), upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas tattva-darsinah: "one who has seen the truth can impart knowledge." The word tattva-darsi refers to one who has** perfectly realized** the Supreme personality of Godhead. Such a person can become a guru and propound Vaisnava philosophy all over the world. 2/3 majority votes "guru" are C-H-E-A-T-I-N-G!. Infact they are also being cheated because they are losing the opportunity to become fully Krsna Consciousness.SB 8.6.9 The Vedic mantras say: yasmin vijnate sarvam evam vijnatam bhavati. When the devotee **sees** the Supreme Personality of Godhead by his meditation, or when he **sees** the Lord personally, face to face, he becomes aware of everything within this universe. Indeed, nothing is unknown to him. Everything within this material world is fully manifested to a devotee who has** seen** the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Bhagavad-gita (4.34) therefore advises:tad viddhi pranipatenapariprasnena sevayaupadeksyanti te jnanamjnaninas tattva-darsinah"Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquirefrom him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized**soul** can impart knowledge unto you because **he** has seen the truth."Lord Brahma is one of these self-realized authorities (svayambhur naradah sambhuh kumarah kapilo manuh). One must therefore accept the disciplic succession from Lord Brahma, and then one can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead **in fullness**. Here the word visva-murtau indicates that everything exists in the form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. One who is able to worship Him can see everything in Him and see Him in everything.Srila Prabhupada is tattva-darsina therefore he is able to deliver Krsna ---it is Srila Prabhupada that has realized **the science** of Krsna perfectly!SB 10.3.14"Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquirefrom him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth." Vasudeva begot the Supreme Personality of Godhead, yet he was in full knowledge of how the Supreme Lord appears and disappears. He was therefore tattva-darsi, a seer of the truth, **because he personally saw** how the Supreme Absolute Truth appeared as his son.Pratyaksvagamam means direct perception----Krsna is directlyexperienced---this is complete science---demonstration! Srila Prabhupada is this personality who is able to give the Holy name because he is well conversant with the science. Srila Prabhupada gives Diksa to the madhyama-adhikari.Bg 9.2 raja-vidya raja-guhyampavitram idam uttamampratyaksavagamam dharmyamsu-sukham kartum avyayamThis knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.Joyfully performed----when Srila Prabhupada gives diksa to the madhyama-adhikari because he has pleased Srila Prabhupada by offensless chanting, Krishna's pastimes are also transmitted from Srila Prabhupada's heart to Madhyam-adhikaris heart. This is Srila Prabhupada giving actual diksa. 2/3 majority votes "gurus" cannot do this! And because they want to cheat they are being cheated themselves with the what Srila Prabhupada has so vividly described in Isopanisad 12 after conducting their **spiritual master business** they are going to the lowest regions of hell. Bg 9.2 The great devotees relished the taste of unceasing devotional service of the Lord, hearing, chanting, etc., and by developing the same taste, Narada wanted also to hear and chant the glories of the Lord. Thus byassociating with the sages, he developed a great desire for devotionalservice. Therefore, he quotes from the Vedanta-sutra (prakasas ca karmany abhyasat): if one is engaged simply in the acts of devotional service, **everything is revealed to him automatically**, and he can understand. This is called **pratyaksa**, **directly perceived**.The opportunity to serve as honest ritvik or defiant cheating pretender 2/3 majority votes "guru": this is the only choice. Diksa-guru( Srila Prabhupada) well conversant with Krishna science transmits diksa to madhyama-adhikari. Madhya 8.128Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura also states that although one is situated as a brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra, brahmacari, vanaprastha, grhastha or sannyasi, if he is conversant in the science of Krsna he can become a spiritual master as vartma-pradarsaka-guru, diksa-guru or siksa-guru. The spiritual master who first gives information about spiritual life is called the vartma-pradarsaka-guru, the spiritual master who initiates according to the regulations of the sastras is called the diksa-guru, and the spiritual master who gives instructions for elevation is called the siksa-guru. Factually** the qualifications** of a spiritual master **depend on his knowledge of the science of Krsna**. Diksa: transference of Krsna form PURE devotee’s heart to ANOTHER PURE DEVOTEES’s heart this is SCIENCE not theory. Bogus IS_CON and Gaudiya math "gurus" do not have Krsna TELEVISED in their hearts to transfer. Note: There is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL to date provided by the deviant ISKCON "gurus" who reject July 9th 1977 directive from Srila Prabhupada that Srila Prabhupada can not give diksa to the generations of devotees. Yet they themselves pretend to give diksa. The whole question of who gives diksa AFTER Srila Prabhupada in ISKCON ONLY ARISES IF IT IS CONCLUSIVE PROVED THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA IS UNABLE TO GIVE DIKSA. Without this the question just does NOT even arise. The deviants will look totally stupid trying to establish that Srila Prabhupada does not give diksa because the number of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples who have not got Lord Krsna TELEVISED in their hearts will protest at their foolishness. Since many disciples of Srila Prabhupada have not YET got Krsna televised in their hearts and Srila Prabhupada is the ONLY link: then the deviant "gurus" would be in the most embarrassing position because HOW are they going to explain to them "you can not get Krsna televised in your hearts ALSO since Srila Prabhupada is gone." Whereas we CAN PROVE Srila Prabhupada is MOST competent to give diksa and he does NOT need to be Physically present to do this. How The Current Acarya Srila Prabhupada Gives Diksa Note: Srila Prabhupada is IDENTICAL with his PURPORTS. SB 1.2.18 P Divinity and Divine Service Bhagavata book and person are identical. Adi 1.99 T The Spiritual Masters eka bhagavata bada----bhagavata-sastra ara bhagavata----bhakta bhakti-rasa-patra SYNONYMS eka--one; bhagavata--in relation to the Supreme Lord; bada--great; bhagavata-sastra--Srimad-Bhagavatam; ara--the other; bhagavata--in relation to the Supreme Lord; bhakta--pure devotee; bhakti-rasa--of the mellow of devotion; patra--the recipient. TRANSLATION One of the bhagavatas is the great scripture Srimad-Bhagavatam, and the other is the pure devotee absorbed in the mellows of loving devotion. TEXT 100 TEXT dui bhagavata dvara diya bhakti-rasa tanhara hrdaye tanra preme haya vasa SYNONYMS dui--two; bhagavata--the bhagavatas; dvara--by; diya--giving; bhakti-rasa--devotional inspiration; tanhara--of His devotee; hrdaye--in the heart; tanra--his; preme--by the love; haya--becomes; vasa--under control. TRANSLATION Through the actions of these TWO bhagavatas the Lord instills the mellows of transcendental loving service into the heart of a living being, and thus the Lord, in the heart of His devotee, comes under the control of the devotee's love. SB 1.7.22 P The Son of Drona Punished The spiritual master, BY HIS WORDS, CAN PENETRATE INTO THE HEART OF THE SUFFERING PERSON AND INJECT KNOWLEDGE TRANSCENDENTAL, which alone can extinguish the fire of material existence. SB 2.9.8 P Answers by Citing the Lord' s Version THE POTENCY OF TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND IS NEVER MINIMIZED BECAUSE THE VIBRATOR IS APPARENTLY ABSENT. Therefore SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM or Bhagavad-gita or any revealed scripture in the world is never to be accepted as an ordinary mundane sound without transcendental potency. Adi 1.35 The Spiritual Masters THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER'S INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple. SRILA PRABHUPADA OUR JAGAD DIKSA GURU: LIVING STILL---- IN SOUND! AND IN THIS SOUND HE GIVES DIKSA750716pc.sf ConversationsReporter (2): What will happen to the movement in the United States whenyou die?Prabhupada: I WILL NEVER DIE.Prabhupada: I SHALL LIVE FROM MY BOOKS, AND YOU WILL UTILIZE. Note: Srila Prabhupada and his words are on the transcendental platform therefore his PURPORTS TO THE SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM IS THE CURRENT LINK. AS LONG AS WE HAVE PRABHUPADA'S PURPORTS TO THE SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE WILL BE OUR CURRENT LINK BECAUSE **THE REAL** MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM ARE **HIS** PURPORTS.SB 2.9.7As already stated, Brahmä is the original spiritual master for theuniverse, and since he was initiated by the Lord Himself, the MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM IS COMING DOWN BY DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION, and in order to receive THE REAL MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM one should approach THE CURRENT LINK, or spiritual master, in the chain of disciplic succession. 690113LE.LA Lectures...vani and vapu, and vapu means the physical body, and vani means thevibration. So we are not concerned about the physical body. Not concerned means... We are concerned, of course, because the spiritual master, those who are acaryas, their body is not considered as materiel. Arcye sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir. Just like the statue of Krsna, to consider that "This is a stone..." Similarly, arcye sila-dhir gurusu na... Gurusu means those who are acaryas, to accept their body as ordinary man's body, this is denied in the sastras. SO ALTHOUGH A PHYSICAL BODY IS NOT PRESENT, THE VIBRATION SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, VIBRATION. WHAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, THAT IS LIVING. DIKSA THE PROCESS of revealation thru Prabhupada's books.74-11-22 Letter: BahurupaIN MY BOOKS the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is EXPLAINED FULLY so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND BY THIS PROCESS YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE WILL DEVELOP.75-03-14 Letter: SivaniTo take SHELTER of the Spiritual Master MEANS TO FOLLOW HIS INSTRUCTIONS. Note: read Srila Prabhupada’s books associate with him directly 721020ND.VRN Lectures But in this life, if we develop Krsna consciousness by association of devotees... As Narottama dasa Thakura has sung, tandera carana-sevi-bhakta-sane vasa. One's aim of life should be to serve the acaryas. Acarya upasanam. So our acarya in the Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya, the sri-rupa sanatana bhatta-raghunatha, sri-jiva gopala-bhatta dasa-raghunatha, the Six Gosvamins, and if we associate with them... this book, Nectar of Devotion, Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, if you read regularly, try to understand, this means you are associating with Srila Rupa Gosvami directly. And if you act accordingly, then you are serving their lotus feet. SB 4.31.2 One desiring perfection or liberation SHOULD ASSOCIATE WITH A PERSON WHO IS ALREADY LIBERATED. THIS IS CALLED SADHU-SANGA, ASSOCIATING WITH A PERFECT DEVOTEE.EK 4 There are two conceptions of presence--the physical conception and thevibrational conception. The physical conception is temporary, whereas the vibrational conception is eternal. When we enjoy or relish the vibration of Krsna's teachings in Bhagavad-gita, or when we chant Hare Krsna, we should know that by those vibrations He is immediately present. He is absolute, and because of this His vibration is just as important as His physical presence. WHEN WE FEEL SEPARATION FROM KRSNA OR THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, WE SHOULD JUST TRY TO REMEMBER THEIR WORDS OF INSTRUCTIONS, AND WE WILL NO LONGER FEEL THAT SEPARATION. SUCH ASSOCIATION WITH KRSNA AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER SHOULD BE ASSOCIATION BY VIBRATION, NOT PHYSICAL PRESENCE. THAT IS REAL ASSOCIATION. We put so much stress on seeing, but when Krsna was present on this earth, so many people saw Him and did not realize that He is God; so what is the advantage of seeing? By seeing Krsna, we will not understand Him, but by listening carefully to His teachings, we can come to the platform of understanding. We can touch Krsna immediately by sound vibration; therefore we should give more stress to the sound vibration of Krsna and of the spiritual master--then we'll feel happy and won't feel separation.680818SB.MON LecturesPrabhupada: Oh, that you should not think. If... The words... There are two conceptions: the physical conception and the vibration conception. So physical conception is temporary. The vibration conception is eternal. Just like we are enjoying or we are relishing the vibration of Krsna's teachings. So by vibration He is present. As soon as we chant Hare Krsna or chant Bhagavad-gita or Bhagavata, so He is present immediately by His vibration. He's absolute. Therefore try to remember His words of instruction; you'll not feel separation. You'll feel that He is with you. So we should associate by the vibration, and not by the physical presence. That is real association. Sabdad anavrtti. By sound. Just like we are touching Krsna immediately by sound. Sound vibration. SO WE SHOULD GIVE MORE STRESS ON THE SOUND VIBRATION, EITHER OF KRSNA OR OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER. THEN WE'LL FEEL HAPPY AND NO SEPARATION.CC Concluding Words Today, Sunday, November 10, 1974--corresponding to the 10th of Kartikka, Caitanya Era 488, the eleventh day of the dark fortnight, the Rama-ekadasi--we have now finished the English translation of Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami' s Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in accordance with the authorised order of His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Gosvami Maharaja, my beloved eternal spiritual master, guide and friend.Although according to material vision His Divine Grace SrilaBhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada passed away from this material world on the last day of December, 1936, I still consider His Divine Grace to be always present with me by his vani, his words. There are two ways of association--by vani and by vapu. Vani means words, and vapu means physical presence. PHYSICAL PRESENCE IS SOMETIMES APPRECIABLE AND SOMETIMES NOT, BUT VANI CONTINUES TO EXIST ETERNALLY. THEREFORE WE MUST TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VANI, NOT THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE. Bhagavad-gita, for example, is the vani of Lord Krsna. Although Krsna was personally present five thousand years ago and is no longer physically present from the materialistic point of view, Bhagavad-gita continues. 75-11-04 Letter: SuciYou have rightly said that the best way to associate with the spiritual master is to follow his instructions. There are two ways of associating, by vani and by vapu. Vani means words and vapu means physical presence. PHYSICAL PRESENCE IS SOMETIMES APPRECIABLE AND SOMETIMES NOT. THEREFORE WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VANI, NOT THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE, BECAUSE THE VANI CONTINUES TO EXIST ETERNALLY. Bhagavad-gita for example is the vani of Lord Krishna. Although Krishna was personally present 5,000 years ago and is no longer present physically from the materialistic viewpoint, still Bhagavad-gita continues. So you have correctly concluded. 70-06-22 Letter: HamsadutaWE ARE NOT SEPARATED ACTUALLY. There are two--vani or vapu. So vapu is physical presence and vani is presence by the vibration, but they are all the same. So Krsna when He was physically present before Arjuna is the same when He is present before us by His vani of Bhagavad-gita. So far I am concerned, I do not factually feel any separation from my Spiritual Master because I am trying to serve Him according to His desire. That should be the motto. IF YOU KINDLY TRY TO FULFILL MY MISSION FOR WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN SENT THERE, THAT WILL BE OUR CONSTANT ASSOCIATION.Note: gold is gold it does not change to iron BONA FIDE means genuine it does NOT lose its genuine feature otherwise it’s a FAKE no falldowns. Time eternal (NITYA SIDDHA). Eternal includes past present and future THIS is Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada IS our BONA FIDE spiritual master. This is Srila Prabhupada. And those who reject him are deviants who are after PERSONAL AGGRANDIZEMENT personal worship, money, followers. Bg 4.42 P Transcendental Knowledge A BONA FIDE spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from TIME ETERNAL, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord as they were imparted millions of years ago to the sun-god, from whom the instructions of Bhagavad-gita have come down to the earthly kingdom. One should, therefore, follow the path of Bhagavad-gita as it is expressed in the Gita itself and BEWARE OF SELF-INTERESTED PEOPLE AFTER PERSONAL AGGRANDIZEMENT WHO DEVIATE OTHERS FROM THE ACTUAL PATH. Note: deviants say (Acarya) Srila Prabhupada is not able to give diksa now. SB 3.29.17 It is recommended herewith that all the acaryas be given the highest respect. It is stated, gurusu nara-matih. GURUSU MEANS "UNTO THE ACARYAS," and nara-matih means "thinking like a common man." To think of the Vaisnavas, the devotees, as belonging to a particular caste or community, to think of the acaryas as ordinary men or to think of the Deity in the temple as being made of stone, wood or metal, IS CONDEMNED.Adi 7.115 In this connection the Padma Purana states, arcye visnau sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnave jati-buddhih: "One who considers the arca-murti, the worshipable Deity of Lord Visnu, to be stone, THE SPIRITUAL MASTER TO BE AN ORDINARY HUMAN BEING, and a Vaisnava to belong to a particular caste or creed, is possessed of HELLISH INTELLIGENCE." One who follows such conclusions is doomed. Note: formality was to be conducted by representatives of acarya. Madhya 24.330 Similarly, a disciple's qualifications must be observed by the spiritual master before he is accepted as a disciple. In our Krsna consciousness movement, the requirement is that one must be prepared to give up the four pillars of sinful life-illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. In Western countries especially, we first observe whether a potential disciple is prepared to follow the regulative principles. Then he is given the name of a Vaisnava servant and initiated to chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, at least sixteen rounds daily. In this way the disciple renders devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual master OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. He is then recommended for a second initiation, during which a sacred thread is offered and the disciple is accepted as a bona fide brahmana. Note: Formality of Initiation by representatives as per Madhya 24.330 was to create brahmana’s by Pancaratriki-vidhi process. Then gradually develop to the stage of ACTUAL qualifications of a QUALIFIED brahmana then Vaisnava. 710329BG.BOM Lectures Our Sanatana Gosvami gives direction in the Hari-bhakti-vilasa that one man can become a brahmana by the regular process of diksa. Diksa, this initiation, cannot be offered to a sudra. Diksa cannot be offered to a sudra. But in this age, Kali-yuga, it is the statement of the sastras that in the Kali-yuga most of the population are sudras. Kalau sudra sambhavah. How they can be initiated? THIS INITIATION IS OFFERED NOT ACCORDING TO THE VEDIC RULES, BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND OUT A QUALIFIED BRAHMANA. DIKSA IS OFFERED TO A QUALIFIED BRAHMANA. THEREFORE THIS DIKSA IS OFFERED ACCORDING TO PANCARATRIKI-VIDHI. THAT IS RECOMMENDED IN THIS AGE. My spiritual master inaugurated this Pancaratriki-vidhi, and we are following his footsteps. Anyone who is inclined to devote his life for Krsna, he should be accepted as brahmana. 75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa: Regarding Sydney, that the President has left, if one does not follow the regulative principles, then he will leave. That is a fact. Has somebody else been elected? This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want. Note: this formality was the the function of Ritviks representatives of Acarya (Srila Prabhupada) as per July 9th 1977 letter knowledge DIKSA is given by ACARYA Srila Prabhupada. Even according to Srila Prabhupada’s books front cover it is said ISKCON FOUNDER-ACARYA HIS DIVINE GRACE A C BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA Please note carefully founder HYPEN acarya means Srila Prabhupada is not simply ISKCON’s founder BUT also Its ACARYA **also** –FACT! 761016iv.cha Conversations Interviewer: What is the procedure of the movement? Do you initiate yourself all the disciples or do your other disciples also do that?Prabhupada: Well, initiation or no initiation, first thing is knowledge. (break) ...knowledge. Initiation is formality. Just like you go to a school for knowledge, and admission is formality. That is not very important thing. Note: Tamal Krsna ADMITS they are CONDITIONED souls in 22 APRIL 1977 and Srila Prabhupada appointed them RITVIK ONLY NOTE: in JULY 9th 1977 this is 3 months must be BIG disappointment they were NOT ACARYA but Ritvik acarya representatives of ACARYA (Srila Prabhupada). The letter was UNREVOKED. So HOW is it Just AFTER Srila Prabhupada passed (IN 4 months November) they appointed themselves "as good as God" Guru(acarya)?. Simple answer conditioned souls CHEAT. 770422r3.bom ConversationsTamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible...Prabhupada: Hm.Tamala Krsna: ....but not now.Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become acarya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.Tamala Krsna: The process of purification must be there.Prabhupada: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahaprabhu wants that. Amara ajnaya guru hana. "You become guru." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower...Tamala Krsna: Not rubber stamp.Prabhupada: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff... My Guru Maharaja used to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said this. Note:If the 2/3 majority votes "gurus" or Gaudiya maths present "gurus" were Acarya "His Divine Graces" (Krishna speaks through them) Why nobody except some sentimental followers are quoting them. This means they are NOT accepted as authority. Everybody QUOTES Srila Prabhupada because everybody knows Krishna speaks through him----this is why he is **ACCEPTED AS AUTHORITY**. Note all the acaryas are QUOTED by all sections of society Bhaktivinode Thakura , Srila Bhaktisiddhanta sarasvati Thakura, His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada because Lord Krsna MANIFESTS in their WORDS. Their words are SCRIPTURE. Others can but talk parrot fashion with no impact. Professional Bhagavatam reciters—bas! Srila Prabhupada is the PROMINENT acarya as HE is the one who’s books are LAWBOOKS NOW! He is quoted NOW! 68-04-12. Letter: Dayananda Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system--namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PROMINENT ACARYAS, AND FOLLOW FROM HIM. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to. Srila Prabhupada is the SB 3.29.17 P Explanation of Devotional Service by Lord Kapila In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge by accepting the acarya. Acaryopasanam: one should worship an acarya, a spiritual master who knows things as they are. The spiritual master must be in the disciplic succession from Krsna. The predecessors of the spiritual master are his spiritual master, his grand spiritual master, his great-grand spiritual master and so on, who form the disciplic succession of acaryas. Note : Srila Prabhupada KNEW of the dangers "THERE IS VERY GREAT UNDERCURRENT" he forbade his disciples from his Godbrothers THIS was the MAIN danger because they were clearly after his disciples,property,reputation and money. He called his Godbrothers KANISTHA ADHIKARI.Srila Prabhupada KNEW they were IMITATING the role of ACARYA. Srila Prabhupada wanted to protect his disciples and the movement from these sahajiyas. 770527vg.vrn Conversations Prabhupada: You should be very much determined, strong-minded. Otherwise it will slip. Such huge property... Tamala Krsna: Actually these properties are the envy of all of India. They're the best properties in each place. Prabhupada: Not only property. Our prestige, our position... Everything is envied. Everywhere we are first class. Tamala Krsna: Yes. There's no rival. Bhavananda: THERE WILL BE MEN, I KNOW. THERE WILL BE MEN WHO WANT TO TRY AND POSE THEMSELVES AS GURU. Tamala Krsna: That was going on many years ago. YOUR GODBROTHERS WERE THINKING LIKE THAT. MADHAVA MAHARAJA... Bhavananda: Oh, yes. Oh, ready to jump. Prabhupada: Very strong management required and vigilant observation. (background whispering, Tamala Krsna and Bhavananda) So you are foreign... Gopala Krsna: Beg your pardon? Prabhupada: You are foreign trained up. And you also idea how to protect our interest. Gopala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada, I'm always... Prabhupada: THERE IS VERY GREAT UNDERCURRENT. Gopala Krsna: I never trusted them much. I know those things. (background whispering, Bhavananda) 75-11-09. Letter: Visvakarma Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated September 3, 1975 with the enclosed statement about Van Maharaja. So I have now issued orders that all my disciples should avoid all of my godbrothers. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY DEALINGS WITH THEM NOR EVEN CORRESPONDENCE, NOR SHOULD THEY GIVE THEM ANY OF MY BOOKS OR SHOULD THEY PURCHASE ANY OF THEIR BOOKS, NEITHER SHOULD YOU VISIT ANY OF THEIR TEMPLES. PLEASE AVOID THEM. 74-04-28. Letter: Rupanuga You are right about Sridhara Maharaja's genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, AT LEAST HE EXECUTES THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. HE NEVER RECOMMENDED ANYONE TO BE ACARYA OF THE GAUDIYA MATH. BUT SRIDHARA MAHARAJA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DISOBEYING THIS ORDER OF GURU MAHARAJA, AND HE AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD UNNECESSARILY THOUGHT THAT THERE MUST BE ONE ACARYA. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. THE RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH. IN SOME OF THE CAMPS THE ACARYA IS BEING CHANGED THREE TIMES A YEAR. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them. Note: the sad part of ISKCON history is Srila Prabhupada’s deviant "disciples" did not listen to him and were polluted: accepted the acarya disease lured by money, followers, adoration the following result awaits their destiny: Iso 12 The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service--which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead--one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. SUCH VIOLATORS OF RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE AUTHORITATIVE ACARYAS, THE HOLY TEACHERS IN THE STRICT DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA--"ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA"--AND KRSNA'S STATEMENT IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA (4.2) EVAM PARAMPARA-PRAPTAM, "THIS SUPREME SCIENCE OF GOD IS RECEIVED THROUGH THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION." INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS. THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. BECAUSE THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENT, THEY ESCAPE PUNISHMENT BY THE LAW OF THE STATE. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.Note: becoming Vaisnava is not so cheap. 770214r2.may Conversations Prabhupada: Kanistha-adhikari means he must be a brahmana. That is kanistha-adhikari. The spiritual life, kanistha-adhikari, means he must be a QUALIFIED brahmana. That is kanistha. What is esteemed as very high position in the material world, brahmana, that is kanistha-adhikari. arcayam eva haraye pujam yah sraddhayehate na tad-bhaktesu canyesu sa bhaktah prakrtah smrtah The brahmana means from the material stage gradually he is elevated to the spiritual stage. AND BELOW THE BRAHMANA THERE IS NO QUESTION OF VAISNAVA. Note: For those who do NOT wish to play at being " as good as God" acarya then there is ample opportunity to QUALIFY as a Brahmana then as Vaisnava to achieve going back to Godhead back home. It is a question of being truthful where we are and progressing onwards march. SB 1.2.20 P Divinity and Divine Service The very same thing is confirmed herein in the above words. No ordinary man, or even one who has attained success in human life, can know scientifically or perfectly the Personality of Godhead. Perfection of human life is attained when one can understand that he is not the product of matter but is in fact spirit. And as soon as one understands that he has nothing to do with matter, he at once ceases his material hankerings and becomes enlivened as a spiritual being. This attainment of success is possible when one is above the modes of passion and ignorance, or, in other words, when one is actually a brahmana by qualification. A BRAHMANA IS THE SYMBOL OF SATTVA-GUNA, OR THE MODE OF GOODNESS. AND OTHERS, WHO ARE NOT IN THE MODE OF GOODNESS, ARE EITHER KSATRIYAS, VAISYAS, SUDRAS OR LESS THAN THE SUDRAS. THE BRAHMINICAL STAGE IS THE HIGHEST STAGE OF HUMAN LIFE BECAUSE OF ITS GOOD QUALITIES. SO ONE CANNOT BE A DEVOTEE UNLESS ONE AT LEAST QUALIFIES AS A BRAHMANA. The devotee is already a brahmana by action. But that is not the end of it. AS REFERRED TO ABOVE, SUCH A BRAHMANA HAS TO BECOME A VAISNAVA IN FACT TO BE ACTUALLY IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL STAGE. A PURE VAISNAVA IS A LIBERATED SOUL AND IS TRANSCENDENTAL EVEN TO THE POSITION OF A BRAHMANA. IN THE MATERIAL STAGE EVEN A BRAHMANA IS ALSO A CONDITIONED SOUL BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IN THE BRAHMINICAL STAGE THE CONCEPTION OF BRAHMAN OR TRANSCENDENCE IS REALIZED, SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE SUPREME LORD IS LACKING. ONE HAS TO SURPASS THE BRAHMINICAL STAGE AND REACH THE VASUDEVA STAGE TO UNDERSTAND THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD KRSNA. Note: Krsna is the benefactor of the TRUTHFUL devotee means Brahmana quality so if one WANTS to achieve Krsna then Krsna helps. Man is the architect of his fortune and misfortune so either one can accept Srila Prabhupada as DIKSA guru or refuse him this is the choice. Why did the soul come to this material world? because of iccha and the soul can also compete with the acarya Srila Prabhupada (Krsna’s Representative) on equal level thus he is captured in material bondage again. SB 3.27.20 P Understanding Material Nature Material bondage is caused by putting oneself under the control of matter because of the false ego of lording it over material nature. Bhagavad-gita (7.27) states, iccha-dvesa-samutthena. Two kinds of propensities arise in the living entity. One propensity is iccha, which means desire to lord it over material nature or to be as great as the Supreme Lord. Everyone desires to be the greatest personality in this material world. Dvesa means "envy." When one becomes envious of Krsna, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one thinks, "Why should Krsna be the all and all? I'm as good as Krsna." SB 1.2.17 T Divinity and Divine Service srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah punya-sravana-kirtanah hrdy antah stho hy abhadrani vidhunoti suhrt satam SYNONYMS srnvatam--those who have developed the urge to hear the message of; sva-kathah--His own words; krsnah--the Personality of Godhead; punya--virtues; sravana--hearing; kirtanah--chanting; hrdi antah sthah--within one's heart; hi--certainly; abhadrani--desire to enjoy matter; VIDHUNOTI--CLEANSES; SUHRT--BENEFACTOR; SATAM--OF THE TRUTHFUL. TRANSLATION Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramatma [supersoul] in everyone's heart and the BENEFACTOR OF THE TRUTHFUL DEVOTEE, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who has developed the urge to hear His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted. Note: We are fully aware of Srila Prabhupada’s potency to give diksa thru his books so pretenders especially from the bogus Gaudiya camp and GBC’s IS_CON camp are offenders. The offense described is maryada-vyatikrama. SB 3.4.26 Vidura Approaches Maitreya Sri Uddhava said: You may take lessons from the great learned sage Maitreya, who is nearby and who is worshipable for reception of transcendental knowledge. He was directly instructed by the Personality of Godhead while He was about to quit this mortal world. PURPORT Although one may be well versed in the transcendental science, one should be careful about the offense of maryada-vyatikrama, or impertinently surpassing a greater personality. According to scriptural injunction one should be very careful of transgressing the law of maryada-vyatikrama because by so doing one loses his duration of life, his opulence, fame and piety and the blessings of all the world. To be well versed in the transcendental science necessitates awareness of the techniques of spiritual science. Uddhava, being well aware of all these technicalities of transcendental science, advised Vidura to approach Maitreya Rsi to receive transcendental knowledge. Vidura wanted to accept Uddhava as his spiritual master, but Uddhava did not accept the post because Vidura was as old as Uddhava's father and therefore Uddhava could not accept him as his disciple, especially when Maitreya was present nearby. The rule is that in the presence of a higher personality one should not be very eager to impart instructions, even if one is competent and well versed. So Uddhava decided to send an elderly person like Vidura to Maitreya, another elderly person, but he was well versed also because he was directly instructed by the Lord while He was about to quit this mortal world. Since both Uddhava and Maitreya were directly instructed by the Lord, both had the authority to become the spiritual master of Vidura or anyone else, but Maitreya, being elderly, had the first claim to becoming the spiritual master, especially for Vidura, who was much older than Uddhava. One should not be eager to become a spiritual master cheaply for the sake of profit and fame, but should become a spiritual master only for the service of the Lord. The Lord never tolerates the impertinence of maryada-vyatikrama. One should never pass over the honor due to an elderly spiritual master in the interests of one's own personal gain and fame. Impertinence on the part of the pseudo spiritual master is very risky to progressive spiritual realization. Note: there are two main offender classes who are envious of Srila Prabhupada’s success and they want to REPLACE Srila Prabhupada with themselves as guru. GBC voted false gurus offenders have rejected Srila Prabhupada’s direct UNREVOKED order of July 9th 1977.Thus they are automatically rejected. "ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA." These are Srila Prabhupada’s own words. This means both this classes are rejected then what remains of their so called disciples! Narayana Maharaja superficially claims to be Srila Prabhupada’s siksa (Instruction) disciple but ignores Srila Prabhupada’s even the most basic instruction of shaving his beard. Srila Prabhupada never approved of this and it is well known. Besides this it is also a fact that Narayana maharaja has been hunting and changing Srila Prabhupada’s disciples names (reinitiation). NARAYANA MAHARAJA AND SRIDHARA MAHARAJA INSULTED SRILA PRABHUPADA. >From the letter below one can see that history repeats itself because they are conditioned souls they ventured to initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. Thus, they were caught out as Srila Prabhupada clearly says of the action "SO IT IS DELIBERATE TRANSGRESSION OF VAISNAVA ETIQUETTES AND OTHERWISE A DELIBERATE INSULT TO ME. I DO NOT KNOW WHY HE HAS DONE LIKE THIS BUT NO VAISNAVA WILL APPROVE OF THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION." 68-03-26. Letter: Mukunda In meantime, I have also received one letter which is very depressing from Hrsikesa. I understand that he has been induced by Bon Maharaja to be initiated by him for giving him shelter, and this foolish boy has accepted his inducement. This isn't very happy news, and I have replied Hrsikesa's letter in the following words, which please take note, and in the future, we shall be very cautious about them. "My Dear Hrsikesa, Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter of March 14, 1968, and I am greatly surprised. I AM GREATLY SURPRISED FOR BON MAHARAJA'S INITIATING YOU IN SPITE OF HIS KNOWING THAT YOU ARE ALREADY INITIATED BY ME. SO IT IS DELIBERATE TRANSGRESSION OF VAISNAVA ETIQUETTES AND OTHERWISE A DELIBERATE INSULT TO ME. I DO NOT KNOW WHY HE HAS DONE LIKE THIS BUT NO VAISNAVA WILL APPROVE OF THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION. I very much appreciate your acknowledgement of my service unto you and you will always have my blessings, BUT YOU MUST KNOW THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTEE. A GREAT BLUNDER. I do not wish to discuss on this point more elaborately now, but if you are desirous to know further about it, I shall be glad to give you more enlightenment. Mukunda is not here. He has gone to L.A. Hope you are well." If Hrsikesa writes you letter I think you may avoid reply. I DO NOT APPROVE BOTH HRSIKESA'S AND BON MAHARAJA'S THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION. Hoping you are both well. Note: In venturing to initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples ---they could not even have understood the philosophy properly. As It is clearly stated: A DEVOTEE MUST HAVE ONLY ONE INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER BECAUSE IN THE SCRIPTURES ACCEPTANCE OF MORE THAN ONE IS ALWAYS FORBIDDEN. For them to Initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples they would be falling into a trap of REJECTING Srila Prabhupada as the Initiating Guru---DIRECT INSULT—committed BOTH by the so-called disciple of Srila Prabhupada and their conditioned soul guides (Narayana Maharaja or Sridhara Maharaja). Adi 1.35 The Spiritual Masters The expert spiritual master knows well how to engage his disciple's energy in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, and thus he engages a devotee in a specific devotional service according to his special tendency. A DEVOTEE MUST HAVE ONLY ONE INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER BECAUSE IN THE SCRIPTURES ACCEPTANCE OF MORE THAN ONE IS ALWAYS FORBIDDEN. GUIDE FOR THE SRILA PRABHUPADA’S SAMADHI CEREMONY----ONLY!! 77100R2.VRN Prabhupada: Do you think in this stage is it possible? Tamala Krsna: I think it would be difficult. Better that we go parikram-ing around our temple, Krsna-Balarama Mandira. That's a little easier. Don't you think that's better? If you get a little stronger, then it may be possible. That will depend on Krsna. So Krsna dasa, we should bring him here. Anyone else you want to see? NARAYANA MAHARAJA? YES. WE WENT TO SEE HIM JUST TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE NECESSARY CEREMONY, and he gave us instruction. I sent Bhakti-caru Maharaja and Bhakti-prema Maharaja, and they wrote down everything. But Narayana Maharaja was very concerned. He said he's going to try to come to see you tomorrow. That's all right, isn't it? So Krsna dasa can be called for. Anytime? Okay. He stays at Radha-kunda? We'll inquire... Does he stay at the Gaudiya Matha here? Prabhupada: Hm. Tamala Krsna: He does. In Vrndavana. Okay. Prabhupada: Narayana Maharaja comes; then everything is all right. Tamala Krsna: So if I call Narayana Maharaja, is there any need for Krsna dasa to come? Prabhupada: He can arrange. Tamala Krsna: Narayana Maharaja. Yes, actually he wanted to do that. He gave us instructions, but he also wanted to take part. So better I call Narayana Maharaja than Krsna dasa? Okay. I'll send a car for him tomorrow morning. He was saying he was thinking to come tomorrow, so I'll send a car and say "Prabhupada requests if it's convenient that you can come this morning." That'll be all right? Jaya Srila Prabhupada. (break) Prabhupada: When you have come back? Bhagavata: I just came just now, a half hour before, from America. Upendra: And he's real skinny, Srila Prabhupada. He's skinny. Prabhupada: Why? Bhagavata: Because I am following caturmasya. I have reduced to 160 pounds. Before I was 260. Now I am 160. Prabhupada: Very nice. Bhagavata: Shall I chant? Prabhupada: Yes. (kirtana begins) (Bengali conversation) Who is here? Tamala Krsna: Tamala Krsna. Prabhupada: Have kirtana. (pause) So after my passing away, these, all the temples, they should receive some money for holding utsava. Tamala Krsna: In your honor. Prabhupada: Yes, in the temple. Tamala Krsna: Yes, Prabhupada. Gurukrpa: Jaya Prabhupada. Prabhupada: Who is he? Tamala Krsna: Gurukrpa Swami. Prabhupada: Go on kirtana. (kirtana begins) Tamala Krsna: Closed? Open? (break) Prabhupada: (Bengali) Bhakti-caru: (Bengali) (break) Hari-sauri: Bhavananda? Prabhupada said that somebody was saying that Bhavananda was coming. Tamala Krsna: Yes. Bhakti-caru telegrammed to Bhavananda and Jayapataka and Satadhanya Swami to come immediately. That all right? (break) Bhakti-caru: (Bengali) Prabhupada: (Bengali conversation) Tamala Krsna: He wants to see a panditaji from there. So can you get that panditaji? You want to see him tonight, Srila Prabhupada? Prabhupada: (Bengali) And Narayana Maharaja, he'll come tomorrow? Tamala Krsna: He'll come when we... Tonight could he come? You think that's too late? Bhakti-caru: I think he'll come, if we go and pick him up. Tamala Krsna: If we pick him up, he might come tonight. Prabhupada: Hm? Tamala Krsna: If we go just now with the car, Bhakti-caru goes just now with the car, he may come tonight, Narayana Maharaja. Prabhupada: Hm. Go on, kirtana. (break) Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada. Shall we put a little fan on? Little bit? (break) Prabhupada: (Bengali) (Bengali conversation with Godbrothers, followed by kirtana, Sri Rupa Manjari Pada) Where is Tamala? Hari-sauri: Get Tamala Krsna. He's just coming, Srila Prabhupada. He's in the other room. Prabhupada: (Bengali conversation) Hari-sauri: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. Tamala Krsna. Prabhupada: You have consulted with Narayana Maharaja? Tamala Krsna: YES. THIS MORNING BHAKTI-CARU SWAMI, BHAKTI-PREMA SWAMI AND SRIDHARA SWAMI WENT TO SEE HIM, AND NARAYANA MAHARAJA DESCRIBED THE CEREMONY FOR THE DEPARTURE OF A VAISNAVA, GREAT VAISNAVA SOUL. Narayana Maharaja: (Bengali) Prabhupada: (Bengali) ...entrance right side? Tamala Krsna: The entrance on the left side entering... Looking towards the Deity, it's the left side. In other words, when you come into the temple it's on left side. There's a big open area. (Bengali) Tamala Krsna: It's on the same side as the vyasasana. Prabhupada: Ah, yes. Tamala Krsna: Faces east. Prabhupada: Puspa, Mayapure, flower. Tamala Krsna: To Mayapura. Prabhupada: (Bengali) Narayana Maharaja: You should call me, and I will come. Tamala Krsna: Yes. He described the entire ceremony in detail, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: So he knows. When you are ready(?), let him have it. (Bengali) Narayana Maharaja: (Bengali) You have fulfilled all, everything. (Bengali) Prabhupada: Don't fight amongst yourselves. I HAVE GIVEN THE EXPLANATION, MY WILL. EXECUTE LIKE THAT. Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: And then everything will be. They'll guide. Then what there is. (Bengali) Ekadasi? Narayana Maharaja: Ekadasi. Prabhupada: (Bengali) (Hamsaduta chants) (end) Note: Sometimes the sahajiyas try and CHEAT devotees to make them think Srila Prabhupada invited the Gaudiya math offenders to guide ISKCON. They MANIPULATE by using such a statement of Srila Prabhupada like "They'll guide". But –take a LOOK at the WHOLE CONTEXT. This guidance is in reference to SRILA PRABHUPADA’S SAMADHI ARRANGEMENTS CEREMONY—NOTHING MORE! Note : if the July 9th 1977 letter was followed then the WILL would STILL BE IN FORCE .Because Srila Prabhupada’s disciples would NOT exhaust say after 100years . But Narayan Maharaja wants to steal Srila Prabhupada’s disciples and render the WILL defunct. As the July 9th 1977 letter was NEVER revoked by Srila Prabhupada and therefore ALL the disciples CONTINUE to be Srila Prabhupada's for AS LONG AS ISKCON EXISTS. WHY Narayana maharaja is completely opposed to it and even rejects it? Simple answer: Narayana maharaja wants to steal Srila Prabhupada's disciples! He has also been changing the disciples names (reinitiation) but will not admit it. VERY devious. Srila Prabhupada's WillThe executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, PROVIDED THE NEW DIRECTOR IS MY INITIATED DISCIPLE FOLLOWING STRICTLY ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS AS DETAILED IN MY BOOKS, and provided that there are never less than three (3) or more than five (5) exeutive directors acting at one time. SRILA PRABHUPADA ONLY APPOINTED NARAYANA MAHARAJA AND OTHER GAUDIYA MATHA OFFENDERS AS SAMADHI CEREMONY GUIDE—BAS! (IT APPEARS SRILA PRABHUPADA KNEW THIS IS ONE CEREMONY THEY WOULD JOYOUSLY PERFORM ---BECAUSE OF THEIR ENVY TOWARDS HIM). THEY WERE JUST WAITING TO CAPTURE ISKCON. RITVIK--REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION.Madhya 24.330 Similarly, a disciple's qualifications must be observed by the spiritual master before he is accepted as a disciple. In our Krsna consciousness movement, the requirement is that one must be prepared to give up the four pillars of sinful life-illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. In Western countries especially, we first observe whether a potential disciple is prepared to follow the regulative principles. Then he is given the name of a Vaisnava servant and initiated to chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, at least sixteen rounds daily. In this way the disciple renders devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual master OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. He is then recommended for a second initiation, during which a sacred thread is offered and the disciple is accepted as a bona fide brahmana.Note:we know that without becoming a Mahabhagavata it is an offense against the chanting of the holy name(3rd offense in chanting) to be worshipped as good as God(Acarya). Ritvik --the representative of the acarya allows for this function of worshipping the acarya (Prabhupada) without slaughtering the spiritual lives of others. Madhya 24.330 When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru AND WORSHIPED EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU.Srila Prabhupada is REVEALING HIS POSITION AS THE JAGAD-GURU(SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD). It is Prabhupada that has distributed the holy name(thru his books) all over the world. Krishna is His pure devotee Prabhupada'sproperty to give.Antya 7.12 "in the Dvapara-yuga one could satisfy Krsna or Visnu only by worshiping opulently according to the pancaratriki system, but in the age of Kali one can satisfy and worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead Hari simply by chanting His holy name." Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura explains that unless one is directly empowered by the causeless mercy of Krsna, one cannot become the SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD (JAGAD-GURU). One cannot become an acarya simply by mental speculation. The true acarya presents Krsna to everyone by preaching the holy name of the Lord throughout the world. Thus the conditioned souls, purified by chanting the holy name, are liberated from the blazing fire of material existence. In this way, spiritual benefit grows increasingly full, like the waxing moon in the sky. THE TRUE ACARYA, THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD, MUST BE CONSIDERED AN INCARNATION OF KRSNA'S MERCY. INDEED, HE IS PERSONALLY EMBRACING KRSNA. HE IS THEREFORE THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF ALL THE VARNAS (BRAHMANA, KSATRIYA, VAISYA AND SUDRA) AND ALL THE ASRAMAS (BRAHMACARYA,GRHASTHA, VANAPRASTHA AND SANNYASA). Since he is understood to be the most advanced devotee, he is called paramahamsa-thakura. Thakura is a title of honor offered to the paramahamsa. Therefore one who acts as an acarya, directly presenting Lord Krsna by spreading His name and fame, is also to be called paramahamsa-thakura."Representative of the acarya" is also mentioned SIMILARLY in (CC24.330madhya)---this is the secret. Ritvik is the SAME.Madhya 8.100 The name Radha is derived from this verse (Bhag. 10.30.28), from thewords anayaradhitah, meaning "by Her the Lord is worshiped." Sometimes the critics of Srimad-Bhagavatam find it difficult to find Radharani's holy name, BUT THE SECRET IS DISCLOSED HERE IN THE WORD ARADHITAH, FROM WHICH THE NAME RADHA HAS COME. Of course, the name of Radharani is directly mentioned in other Puranas. This gopi's worship of Krsna is topmost, and therefore Her name is Radha, or the topmost worshiper.77-07-09.All Letter: All G.B.C., All Temple PresidentsPlease accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all ofthe GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "RITVIK--REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:His Holiness Kirtanananda SwamiHis Holiness Satsvarupa dasa GosvamiHis Holiness Jayapataka SwamiHis Holiness Tamala Krsna GosvamiHis Holiness Hrdayananda GosvamiHis Holiness Bhavananda GosvamiHis Holiness Hamsaduta SwamiHis Holiness Ramesvara SwamiHis Holiness Harikesa SwamiHis Grace Bhagavan dasa AdhikariHis Grace Jayatirtha dasa AdhikariIn the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupadarecommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila PRABHUPADA HAS NAMED THESE REPRESENTATIVES, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, THESE REPRESENTATIVES MAY ACCEPT THE DEVOTEE AS AN INITIATED DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book.Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears in the original Note: this July 9th 1977 letter was NEVER REVOKED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA. This being the case ALL THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD for as long as ISKCON EXISTS. Send this story to a friend This story URL: http://guru.krishna.org/Articles/2003/06/029.html Bhakti Caru Swami's Disappearance Day offering to Srila PrabhupadaWhy do we hesitate to tell a new comer who is searching for a guru that Srila Prabhupada, the best guru the world has ever seen, is still here, and one can surrender unto him and go back to Godhead very easily? When we have such a great good fortune, why do we not take full advantage of it? (Article by Bhakti Caru Swami) Srila Prabhupada Our Jagad Diksa Guru: Living Still--In SoundJust like I have written in the first publications of Srimad-Bhagavatam, the spiritual master lives forever by his divine instruction and the disciple lives with him., because I have always served my Guru Maharaja and followed His teachings I am now even never separated from Him. (Article by Mahesh dasa) Your Business is to Bring Your Followers to Me--PrabhupadaThis is your business. It's all right they may worship you if they like you very much, that's all right. But your business is to bring them to me. You are my disciple. The duty of the disciple is to bring the devotees to the spiritual master. This is your business. Your preaching should be like this. If your preaching does not bring them to this point, then it is useless. (Article by Srutakirti Dasa) First-class devotee (Mahabhagavata, uttama-adhikari) does NOT fall downYou are correct when you say that when the Spiritual Master speaks it should be taken that Krishna is speaking. That is a fact. A Spiritual Master must be liberated. (Article by Mahesh dasa) Respect - Listen - Stop the AbuseThis post is in pursuance of the early article, "Deconstruction of Barriers" where we were pointing out that offenses made to devotees cause reactions, no matter what the reason. Krishna is adamant in His displeasure when any of His devotees are offended, and He punishes those who do. We are trying to prevent the devotees from falling into this tangled quagmire of offense and counter offense, like in the Daksa and Siva pastime. (Article by Visoka dasa) Conversations With Prabhupada in 2002!Amoghalila Prabhu had some converstaions with Srila Prabhupada last year. Prabhupada suggested ISKCON Temple Presidents should take matters into their own hands in regards to the guru issue as the GBC is now no longer able to hear him. He also says the ritviks are 90% right. These are amazing conversations. (Article by Amoghalila dasa) Identifying Who is Authorized to Initiate.After visiting the temple I could understand that different devotees were worshiping different individuals whom they had accepted as their spiritual master. As I recall now there were different guru pujas taking place at which time a partition covered the murti of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, thus putting His Divine Grace out of sight. Having been new to the Krishna Consciousness Movement at the time I wasn't quite (Article by Mahavananda dasa) Lord Vamanadeva, Bali Maharaja and His Non-Bona Fide GuruBali Maharaja is Mahajana because he wanted to serve Visnu by disobeying his non-bonafide spiritual master... one should be anxious to accept a spiritual master who is bona fide in spiritual knowledge. And if need be one should relinquish the connection of hereditary spiritual master and accept a real bona fide spiritual master. (Letter from Srila Prabhupada) Sri Vyasa-puja Hyderabad, August 19, 1976 [RealAudio]So anyone of you, you can become guru. It is not that I am an extraordinary man, an extraordinary god coming from some mysterious place. It is not that--it is very simple thing. Caitanya Mahaprabhu says yare dekha tare kaha krsna'-upadesa. So I request you follow the Caitanya Mahaprabhu's instruction that you also, you become a guru at your home. (RealAudio by Srila Prabhupada) Sri Vyasa-puja Lecture London, August 22, 1973 (RealAudio)One who is doing this humble service of preaching work, Krishna consciousness, nobody is dearer than him to Me [Krishna]. So if you want to become recognized by Krishna very quickly, you take up this process of becoming spiritual master, present the Bhagavad-gita as it is. Your life is perfect. (RealAudio by Srila Prabhupada) Srila Prabhupada's Vyasa Puja Offering--1961If everyone just initiates then there will only be a contradictory result. As long as it goes on there will be only failure. O shame! My dear brothers, aren't you embarrassed? In the manner of businessmen you increase your disciples. (Article by Srila Prabhupada) Spiritually There is No Difference Between Appearance and DisappearanceAlthough this is the disappearance day of Om Visnupada Sri Srimad Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, so there is nothing to be lamented. Although we feel separation, that feeling is there, but spiritually, there is no difference between appearance and disappearance. There is a song, Narottama dasa Thakura's song, ye anilo prema-dhana. Do you know, any one of you? Can you sing that song anyone? (RealAudio by Srila Prabhupada) Ritvik--Representative of the Acharya, For the Purpose of Performing Initiations--Both First Initiation and Second InitiationHis Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity... (Article by Mahesh dasa) Questions About Initiation and PreachingWhen someone is initiated they have received transcendental knowledge and their past karma is burned up, they must be a bit like a new born baby. Why is it they still appear and behave the same and even fall down, where has that divine knowledge gone? (Article by Madhudvisa dasa) Chant Hare Krishna and be Happy! Attachment: (image/jpeg) prabs17.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) krishna.org.guru.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) tv_logo.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) transparent.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) whitedot.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) trans_en.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/jpeg) ArchiveCD.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/jpeg) PrabhupadaSannyasa.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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