What is the Vedic???

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What is Vedic ????

For Giri Dhari you give (HDG)

Brief introductory note for Iksvaku gives (HDG)

 

In the month of May of last year, my godbrothers Maharshi Prabhu,

Giri Dhari Prabhu and their humble servant, we had the opportunity to

be with our dear Spiritual Master,

Srila Hridayananda das Goswami Acaryadeva. In the diverse

conversations that we had, one of the main topics tried by our

Gurudeva was, the analysis of what truly means "Vedic." And like it

could be happening that for an incomplete understanding of what

implies to be "faithful followers of the Vedic principles"; we are

blocking our approach to the Society in general. In other words, we

could create a great wall between the Society and the Vaisnavas."

After returning to our origin places, as much Giri Dhari Prabhu as

me, we think of editing a writing with the purpose of that the

community Vaisnava, mainly that of Hispanic and Portuguese speech,

they analyzed these interesting topics. But because Giri Dhari made

it first, and according to my opinion, in an expert way, I felt

unnecessary carrying out another treaty. However, I considered wise

to translate it and to present it in Spanish. (Giri Dhari's original

is in Portuguese, the Portuguese-Spanish translation carried out it

Bhakta Roberto Zembranelli)

So, I hope the readers analyze this writing in an objective way.

Nevertheless, I would like to mention that that written or are not

our Spiritual Teacher's textual words. Although I believe that except

for some details, it maintains the spirit of what our Gurudeva tried

to transmit.

This topic also wanted to add a meaning of the Srimad Bhagavatam, in

that Srila Prabhupada leaves the open door" so that the mature

Vaisnavas that the Sidhanta has always maintained, propose norms

according to the historical context that it plays them to live. So

that the "Universal Spirit of the Vaisnavism", for the true benefit

of the whole humanity, it can achieve a bigger reach, without having

to break up with the whole established outline of traditions and

customs inside a time and specific places; determined by the

circumstances.

 

 

Translation

"The Supreme Lord is limitless, only a very expert Personality,

retreat of the activities of the material happiness, deserves to

understand this knowledge about the spiritual values. Consequently,

for those that are not so well located, due to the material

attachment, Your Grace should show them the process of the spiritual

understanding, through the descriptions of the transcendental

activities of the Supreme Lord."

 

Meaning (I summarize)

"The devote experts can discover new means and forms of converting to

those no devote, in function of the time and the circumstance

matters. The devotional service is a dynamic activity, and the devote

experts can look for appropriate means to inject it in the

materialistic population's dull brains. That class of activities

that the devote ones carry out gives birth to the service of the

Lord, they can introduce a new order of life in the fatuous society

of the materialistic men. Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabu and their

immediate followers, they exhibited an expert dexterity to this

respect. With following the same method, one can put the order among

the materialistic men of this fight era, for the sake of the peaceful

life and the transcendental illumination."

 

 

 

WHAT is VEDIC

for Giri Dhari you give (HDG)

Extracted of some chats with Hridayananda das Gosami Acaryadeva in

May of the 2002.

 

 

A quite wide definition of the Vedic term, is the whole fruit of a

more complete, higher knowledge. Therefore, the most important

initial point should be, understanding that Vedic it doesn't mean

Hindu. A great confusion exists to this respect. Because it happens

that the Vedic knowledge is manifested firstly in that part of the

world that today calls India, and there it had been preserved. But

blended with the pure Vedic knowledge, an enormous local cultural

coalition exists, bequeathed by the Muslim invaders, product of the

typical decadence of our current era.

This way, combined with the pure Vedic knowledge, we can find

superstitions, rituals of all type and other elements of the mundane

culture characteristic of the India. A practical example of this, it

is observed in The Caitanya Bhâgavata, in the narration of the

marriage of Srî Caitanya Mahaprabhu with Srimati Visnu Priya, since

among the Vedic rituals of marriage, also observed jurisdiction many

other local customs. That is to say that five hundred years behind,

in the city where The Lord appeared, it was distinguished between the

Vedic culture and the regional one.

How can we separate the straw of the wheat? Because basing us on the

Vedic writings, confirmed by all the big Acharyas of our line of

succession (parampara), in which the Supreme Personality of God, Sri

Caitanya Mahaprabhu himself is included. We are speaking of the

Srimad Bhâgavatam, Bhagavad Gîta, Sri Caitanya Caritamrta, etc. For

what is excellent to understand that Srila Prabhupada brought to the

Occident a perfect spiritual science, not the Hinduism.

In a speech given in their victorious return to the India, Srila

Prabhupada emphasized its countrymen "If you try to convert a

Westerner to the Hinduism, he will kick your in the face." Prabhupada

didn't come with that end to the West. He came to bring something

pure, very above any geographical or temporary influence, something

truly universal. This is the universal science of the Conscience of

Krishna. Since He, and the whole parampara, wants him to be

distributed to the world. The world is not interested in another

manifestation more than the culture and the mundane religiosity. It

is more and more desirous of a pure and complete spiritual scientific

knowledge, to give sense and purpose to their lives. An Universal

knowledge that returns their healthier and happier lives. This is

exactly what The Srimad Bhâgavatam and The Bhagavad Gita teach.

 

 

External aspects

 

Obviously, there is not doubt on the spiritual and philosophical

aspect of you practice them inside ISKCON. The writings are detailed

and Srila Prabhupada's comments return them a hundred comprehensible

percent. The essence of our you practice, the regulative principles,

the song of the Maha Mantra, the whole vast wealth of informations

about the Spiritual World and the life in other parts of the material

Universe; the name, the form and the hobbies of God. All this is

perfectly trustworthy. Explained in the writings and for all the

Acaryas of our parampara. This is our great treasure, the clear and

perfect knowledge about the absolute one that the Society human point

needs and that it transforms the life of everything that she/he

receives it.

However, some external aspects of our norms exist, especially in the

form when presenting us in the occident that they need to be

examined. Here it is where there is a clear confusion among that that

is truly Vedic and that that is barely Hindu, Hinduistic or simply

invented.

 

 

The risks

 

Could you then ask which the problem is of being practicing something

Hindu or Hinduistic? The problem is serious, because our mission is

not to be some mere representatives of the Hindu culture or

Hinduistic, for more beautiful and nobleman that is. Our destination

is not the one of conquering a small territory in the field of the

world ethnic cultures. Our mission is to save to the world, since we

are representing Prabhupada, the devote cigar of God, and to Krishna.

To represent means to present again. Prabhupada didn't come to the

West to begin a net of cultural missions of the India. He come to

save the humanity. Therefore, if we are in some way affecting the

image of our movement, we are representing bad the true Vedic

culture. Then we are failing in our mission.

Finally, the external aspect is that that is seen first, if this

external aspect, for our flaw, is not very attractive, boring or

ridiculous. Then we are harming the spiritual life of those that

thanks to our bad performance, they will lose the interest in the

message of Krishna and of Prabhupada and the desire of knowing them.

Even from the psychological point of view, it is known that the body

and the mind have a natural resistance to the change. Therefore,

changes make the more, specially external, minor will be the number

of people that you/they will be willing to accept us or to be

interested in the process. In especially those already successful and

very established in the society. In other words, it is of maximum

importance to present the essence, the true spiritual science, to

return our more accessible, attractive image and we can give more

practical knowledge.

 

What you can change

 

We should be very careful in the understanding of the sense of the

Vedic culture. We should not continue ahead with models, only because

they have been used until this moment. On the contrary, we should

have the humility of recognizing that we need to adjust ourselves.

Because in practical terms, almost forty years after the arrival of

Prabhupada to the occident, one can say that our influence in the

Western Society is zero * *. But if millions of human beings and

other alive beings benefitted much of the conscience of Krishna, if

hundreds of millions of books and magazines were distributed,

countless tons of prasadam were distributed all over the world, all

this would be or it is praiseworthy. The problem is that our

objectives, are much more grandiose: we are here to radically change

the conscience of the materialism, for espiritualizing to a

significant part of the inhabitants of the planet, especially their

leaders. Therefore, I believe that it is valid to begin a discussion

on our methods and habits with the intention of to perfect our

appearance and to represent the true Vedic culture and the Krishna

Conscience better to the world.

To resist is natural. All human being has a psychological mechanism,

when any practice or bound ritual to our spirituality, he is carried

out for a while enough and a number of people, becomes integral part

of our life. Even more, without considering the origin or the

authenticity of this practices or ritual, we believe that our

spiritual lives would be seriously threatened, if was interrupted or

altered, and it is exactly this type of things, those that take us to

abandon our traditional religions and to deepen us in the conscience

of Krishna.

We should not be sentimentalist but true scientists. We speak a lot

that the Conscience of Krishna is a spiritual science and don't only

unite religion. Therefore, we should maintain this in the mind when

questioning some aspects of our customs, not only now but always. For

what is valid always to remember that this is not a permission for

the mental speculation. But well, to act scientifically in spiritual

terms means, to be based a hundred percent on the guru, sastra and

sadhu. In ISKCON this implies carrying out Srila Prabhupada's orders,

especially the contained ones in their books and to not contradict or

to commit their teachings in any way. Let us pass to analyze some

external aspects practiced in ISKCON.

 

The gear

Those that we call devotional clothes, that is to say the dhoti,

kurtas and saris, they are not devotionals . The dhotis has also been

used by people that hate Krishna, as the members of the Taliban and

other groups of radicals Muslim. The dhotis doesn't stop to be

clothes used in the India by atheists, mayaviadis, shivaistas, and

for other people in the Half East and in the South and Southeast of

Asia. The saris is also Asian clothes used by people's types in

several regions and it is not in way some an exclusivity type

Vaisnava or Vedic. It is a really interesting fact that we can not

find the word dhoti or sari in the old writings. They are not

Sanskrit words. What is in The Mahabharata on the description of an

appropriate clothes, is the chaste term. That is to say that the

truly Vedic clothes is that that is chaste, clean and deigns. This is

to get dressed of agreement with the Vedic culture. Many times we see

saris that are not even Vedic, because when exposing too much the

stomach of a woman stops to be a worthy clothes and breed. Therefore,

a clothes can not be devotional or not, without considering the

conscience of who uses it. That is to say, the ethnic of the clothes

won't determine if the conscience of a person is devotional or not;

but yes the presentation of chastity, cleaning, dignity and this

person's general behavior. We also have to abandon the idea that all

those that practice the Conscience of Krishna are monks and therefore

they need to get dressed as such to go to the temple; when in the

reality the ninety and ninth percent of the members of ISKCON live in

their houses and they are in charge of non monastic activities. So

alone the devote ones directly responsible for the program of the

temple, they need to get dressed this way, and to be identified as

such. The other members of the congregation can get dressed in a

normal way, in a truly Vedic way (clean breed and deigns). Until

those that are sanyasis and priests in the temple, when leaving to

the street, they could get dressed in a discreet way, breed, clean,

worthy and not with the same clothes that would use when carrying out

a cult or to give a class. This is the label observed in the

occident, followed almost in their entirety for the priests of other

religions. Therefore, there is not reason to choose a clothes that

causes shock in the occident, an Asian clothes that the leaders of

these countries not even use as if it was the uniform of an universal

spiritual science.

When we can opt for something Vedic, appropriate to the current

global culture, the consequence will be very good. Imagine like

she/he would improve our image if we present ourselves this way. An

enormous wall that we have built would be collapsing. It would be

fantastic if people were related with the devote one, as that that

gets dressed in a clean and worthy chaste way, since this it is the

image that we want to transmit.

 

The Music.

We believe that the music and musical instruments of the occident can

not be Vedic; and this is a great mistake. We think that the

harmonium, shenai, mrindanga and kartalas are truly Vedic. The

harmonium is an instrument of German origin and the shenai it is of

half east. Therefore, the origin or the instrument type doesn't make

difference some; more yes the final result. Vedic music is that that

is executed with knowledge. This means with musical knowledge and

transcendental knowledge. That is to say the Vedic music, is that

that doesn't only show a high degree of harmony, grace and musical

beauty, but rather it also elevates our conscience of God. For

example Vivaldi was a priest, Bach lived in a monastery and Hendel

it was very religious, he used its music like a way of to elevate

people and to glorify to God. All they are recognized as musical

geniuses, therefore yes their music was made as an offering to God,

it should be considered as Vedic.

This is hardly an example, but many exist others in the occident and

certainly in other cultures also. The point is to understand again

that Vedic it doesn't mean solely Hindu.

On the other hand, it is not enough to add the spiritual element of

the Holy Names of God or their hobbies and instructions to make of a

sound a Vedic music. If we fasten a machine of perforating next to an

electric mountain, and at the same time we sang the Maha Mantra, we

could not affirm that this is devotional music . It is certain that

the Holy Names are absolute, but the music not. To think that any

noise is music, it would be the product of an ignorant society and

certainly it goes against the principle of a Vedic culture, an

excellence culture that looks for the perfection and the elevation in

everything.

The music in the Vedic culture, as everything the rest, it should be

an offering to God. In the same way in that the best cooks cook to

offer the foods to the Lord, in the same way the best musicians would

owe to play and to sing for the Deities. Kirtans in the temples it

is a musical offering to the Deities and not something made for our

pleasure and enjoyment, therefore they should not be annoying or

excessively noisy (just as happens when playing several kartals or

mrndangas and especially if they are not well played, this excessive

sound had even taken to several devote to the partial loss of the

audition) and the musicality lack perhaps you could consider as

offensive as to offer a too salted or burnt food for the Deities. Our

spiritual science says that we should cultivate the modality of the

goodness, then later to be able to transcend to the pure

spirituality. Would the question be that where the goodness is in a

Kirtan where people run the risk of losing its audition where

percussion instruments are used as kind of a primary therapy?? Where

the sound that is produced difficultly would be interpreted as a

music on the part of healthy people. We see in the lilas of Lord

Caitanya like is that He personally chose the musicians and singers

for their kirtans, choosing to the best. We also know that in the

principles of Iskcon in the decade of the 60s nobody could play

before the Deities without before to go by a training and approved

being. Let us observe as Prabhupada played the mrndanga. The

mrndanga is a true instrument that it needs of training and study to

be able to be very well. Who she/he will play it especially before

the Deities and of other devote ones it should follow the steps of

Prabhupada, studying and practicing seriously. As we will be

respected in terms of the highest knowledge and does she/he form of

living if the musical expression for which we are known and that we

offer to God in our temples something is it so similar to the sound

heavy metal and punk? How many respectable people of our society,

teachers, doctors, would managers etc be able to feel inspired when

listening this way to a Kirtan?. We can make beautiful kirtans truly

sweet " madhu " (madhu Bhaktivinoda Thakur said.) Kirtans that invoke

the modality of the devotion, not the wild passion. We should not

make a show of ecstasy , running, screaming and destroying kartals

and mrndangas. A great risk exists of confusing ecstasy with a

manifestation of our original culture, that is to say a culture where

the modality of the ignorance prevails (noise and pain) and passion

(to sing and to play instruments to all volume and frantic rhythm).

En the case of the Harinam Sankirtan in the streets is still worse

the lack of consideration, because we are forcing people that they

undergo to something that stops most it is not anything

attractiveness (curious and funny a good time in some cases).

In Bombay Prabhupada the Harinam restricted made by its pupils in the

streets when he discovered that it was not well seen by the local

high class. Will it be that the elites of the Society in the West the

attractive Harinam finds? In the time of the hippies a great success

could have been and could a highly effective technique be (to attract

the hippies), but will it be that this continues being applicable to

our time, Place and current circumstances? And if we will leave to

the streets singing and should not playing instruments be very

careful in choosing the musicians, the clothes that will use and in

who will represent us before a real public?

The culture of the floor

We have in Iskcon the mistaken idea that Vedic culture means to sit

down, to eat and to sleep in the floor. We believe that it is so

noble and beneficent that force to our companies to make the same

thing in our temples. The Srimad Bhagavatam and other writings are

full with descriptions of furniture, beds, etc... This is a good

example of how the devote of Iskcon assumed an artificial culture and

until contradicting Srila Prabhupada's suggestions, and that to say

then of the old Vedic culture. A famous example is that of the temple

of los Ángeles, when Prabhupada went to see the church that later

Iskcon bought and where until today the temple of the Ángeles is

located. The seats were still there, Srila Prabhupada said to the

devotees ones that they should leave the seats so that he publishes

it was more comfortable, but in its enthusiasm the devotees threw

them to the garbage and until continuous today without seats. There

is not reason some for not taking places so that our companies feel.

It is absurd to believe that we should impose such an annoyance to

those that are coming closer to Krishna and Prabhupada and even to

impose this to the own congregation being that most of the devotee

ones have their own comfortable houses, they have sofas, beds and

seats. Why to believe that in the temple the standard one should be

inferior? Where is the spiritual science in this?

4 / The cutleries

The same thing can be said of the culture of eating with the hands.

It is well that Srila Prabhupada made this, but He was educated this

way. All its life lived in a culture where ate up this way. It is

obvious therefore that the He would not change when arriving in the

West. But this it is not our case and much less our culture. There is

not advantage some in eating with the hands if we have available

cutleries. It is not more hygienic neither more practical and the

effect that has in our companies is very bad because in West this is

not very seen and a rude and strange point is considered, until

repugnant. Therefore we can not run the risk of transmitting this way

such a bad impression to act in a way that is not Vedic and not even

necessary in way some.

Let us meditate a moment in what a Westerner would think when seeing

people dressing an Asian clothes that but she/ he resembles a giant

diaper, sat down in the floor and eating with the hands. Perhaps the

worst thing of everything is that anything of this is Vedic neither

necessary to help us to develop the Conscience of Krishna and

definitively it harms our mission very much, our true duty of

disclosing the pure spiritual science of the Bhakti- yoga.

 

5 / The Foods

 

So much in the Bhagavad Gita as in the Srimad Bhagavatam we find

descriptions of the food type that we should offer to Krishna and

then we can take as remainders.

Diverse times it is explained that we should offer and then to honor

foods in the modality of the goodness. Such foods are described in

The Bhagavad Gita 17.8 being those foods that increase the duration

of the life, they are healthy, they purify our existence, they give

us force, happiness and satisfaction. This therefore is Vedic

feeding. It doesn't have that necessarily to be food Hindu. Neither

we should believe that we can eat all type of fritters, sweet or

plates full with industrial cheeses. All yellow cheese in Brazil (and

practically in the entire world) they have bovine substance . It is

enough with seeing the precarious health of many old devotees that

underwent to a diet anything healthy of excessive fat and sugar. The

devotees ones should not be known as those they make flavorful Hindu

preparations (an ethnic stamp), but rather as people that prepares

flavorful plates that increase the duration of the life, they are

healthy, they purify the existence and they give force, happiness and

satisfaction (that would be a recognition to the superior and

scientific knowledge). More and more people use such foods and we

should teach to the world to eat this way, since this is an important

part of the true spiritual science of the Krishna Conscience.

 

6 / Singing japa in the streets

 

Until the same simple act of singing japa in the streets with the

hand in the bag has counteractive results for our preach. Let us

meditate a moment in the appearance of somebody with the hand inside

a bag, with a finger of it was, shaking the mentioned bag and

speaking for itself (and many times making some grimaces a strange

looks). Let us let for a side moment the fact that we know that the

act in yes of singing japa it is something wonderful and the most

beneficent thing and let us imagine what a Western person would think

when seeing that. This is the point!, we should not act in way in

that alone we benefit but so that other they also benefit. If we can

modify some of the things that we make without committing our true

principles and this way to stop to cause certain aspects of rarity

that affect our image in a negative way, if we can make this for the

good of the preach and we don't make it, then we are acting in an

irresponsible and selfish way. Irresponsible because we are ignoring

the maximum order of Prabhupada that is the to present the Krishna

Conscience in an intelligent way and to attract to the maximum number

of people, and selfish because we are hardly thinking of our own

spiritual advance.

 

It Dances / Art and Architecture.

 

The same principle is applied to all the other aspects of the Vedic

culture: it dances, art and Vedic architecture neither are

necessarily hindus. Prabhupada frequently appreciated the Western

classic architecture. Our temples don't need to neither have these

exotic and colorful decorations that have generally, there is reason

for necessarily to give exhibitions of Hindu dances in our festivals

of the Ratha Yatra, That stereotypes our image, limiting the vision

that people can have of ISKCON of being representing something really

Universal and practical.

 

Justification

 

According to Srila Prabhupada's teachings and of the writings, can

these changes be made in ISKCON? The answer is yes!, they can and

they should. It is our duty, Prabhupada said that he had created a

basic structure and that it would be in us to give the final touch.

We can see that in their 60 volumes He doesn't speak of these small

details, knowing that this is a question of the time, place and

circumstances. How would it rot a movement to last ten thousand years

without altering such details? How would it rot a science to be valid

for all the times in all the Universes if she/he stayed tied to this

type of things? The point is that Prabhupada always said alone they

add Krishna and the result will be wonderful"; He didn't recommend to

erase everything and to begin of swims here, but rather we left

everything in the way in that it was and adds Krishna and in that way

the result would be excellent.

One of the most important points in our philosophy and that Srila

Prabhupada emphasized repeatedly it is the principle of adapting the

spiritual science according to the time, place and circumstances.

Prabhupada didn't come to the West to change our clothes, neither he

came to remove those covered with our hands, much less to take off

the seats neither to change the architecture, it dances and the

Western classic music. He came to bring to Krishna and the science of

connecting everything again to Him.

 

Conclusion.

The Vedic culture is not externally something patented in music

terms, gear, architecture, cooks, etc. This changes a place to other

or of a time to another.

It is not that in the whole Universe, by all Vaikuntha or where it is

that the Vedic culture prevails, we will find the same type of gears

exactly, architecture, art, cooks etc. Only in a minuscule planet

like ours finds simultaneously so many cultures coarsely different

that to say in the vast Kingdom of God. It is not for omission that

our main writings and our big Acaryas including Srila Prabhupada

didn't play these topics. This is due to that is a variable,

superficial question. What is not variable in the Vedic culture is

the spiritual science, the different Selfrealización forms and the

spiritual advance that it culminates with the pure devotional

service to Sri Krsna. It is also variable the fact that the Vedic

culture means to take pains for the perfection, for the maximum

knowledge in all that is made. This way ISKCON should make an effort

to show to the world this ideal of to look for the maximum quality in

all that is made and to execute it like an offering to God.

Who can argue against such a perfect objective? Who would be opposed

to a movement that works this way?

If we are really taking seriously the order and mission of Prabhupada

we should understand that there is not another alternative.

The In the globalizade world sees two main tendencies: The search for

the excellence and standardization of a Universal culture. Companies

and serious governments invest trillion Dollars in education and

training for their employees, demanding from them a more and more

high level of efficiency and quality. Practically no big company is

able to survive without perfecting its products and work processes

being constantly. In the developed countries the towns also demand

from their governments a growing quality and excellence. And already

many decades ago that that is considered as something worthy and

respectable in New York it will be equally worthy and respectable in

Shangai, Delhi, Paris or Sao Paulo. The world looks for Universality

for this new reality in that we live. It is senseless and

counteractive to try to present a message, it doesn't care that so

wonderful it is, if this this inmerso in an ethnic and exotic format.

Acting this way is saying to the world that we are not interested in

him and on the other hand the world is not interested in us. We are

totally outside of syntony with the current reality. It is clear that

our philosophy is perfect and we don't really need the approval of

anybody, neither we are interested in having followers, fame, etc...

But like an institution, as preachers, we can not think this way. We

have to make an effort and to make all that we can to stay current

and excellent if we want that our message is listened.

 

 

Appointments of Srila Prabhupada

1.- I have built the structure of the sky-scraper, now you fill it in

an appropriate way (Letter to Rupanuga, Delhi 10 of December of 1971)

 

 

2.- They are interested in obtaining knowledge, but the materialistic

knowledge will deviate them of the true goal of its intelligence, and

all its other credits in connection with its education they only

added many zeros. But if yourself is very well turned in our Krishna

Conciessness, you will be able to convince them that if they put to

Krishna or God in the center of their learning process, it doesn't

care if they are scientific, chemical, political, any thing that they

are, if they put to Krishna in front of many zeros the result it will

be a great sum and their life will be perfect. (Letter to

Tribuvannatha, The Ángeles, June 16 1972.)

 

3.- The method of adoration, to sing the mantra and to prepare the

forms of the Lord, it is not something stereotyped neither it is

exactly everywhere the same one. It is specially mentioned in this

verse that one should consider the time, place and available

conveniences. Our movement Aware of Krishna is carrying out in the

entire world, and we also install Deities in different centers of

Preach. Sometimes our friends from India, very proud with their

speculate notions they criticize: This should not be made." But they

forget instruction of Narada is I Summoned one of the biggest

Vaishnavas, Dhruva Maharaja. One should consider the particular time,

country and conveniences. What is convenient in India can not be

convenient in the Western countries. Those that are not truly in the

line of Acaryas or that personally they doesn't have knowledge of how

to act in the paper of Acarya, it can be that some relating changes

exist to the way of adoring, but this is not incorrect according to

the Tailor. Srimad Viraghava Acarya, an acarya in the discipular

succession of the Ramanuja Sampradaya had stressed in their comment

that the chandalas or conditioned souls that they have been born in

lower families that the sudras, they can also be initiate according

to the circumstances. The formalities can be lightly changed here and

there to make them Vaisnavas (SBG 4.8.54 meaning)