DREAMING AND SOUL GOING OUT OF THE BODY

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DREAMING AND SOUL GOING OUT OF THE BODY

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Radhavallabha: Srila Prabhupada, at the time of death, when the soul leaves the

body, at that time the body is destroyed. SO AT THE TIME OF SLEEPING, WHEN THE

SOUL LEAVES THE BODY, HOW IS THE BODY MAINTAINED?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Radhavallabha: AT THE TIME OF SLEEPING, WHEN THE SOUL LEAVES THE BODY, WHY IS

THE BODY NOT DESTROYED AT THAT TIME?

Prabhupada: Why? Suppose you have left the car; does that mean it is destroyed? You are going again.

Radhavallabha: But at the time of death it is destroyed when you leave it.

Prabhupada: Death is different. When the car is no more usable, that is death.

But we are returning to the car because we know that it is usable. And if we

know that it is useless, we don't go to that car. That is death.

Yadubara: Srila Prabhupada. AT THE TIME OF SLEEPING, THERE IS A SUBTLE REALITY

THAT THE SUBTLE BODY ENTERS INTO?

Prabhupada: YES. REALITY MEANS AS YOU TAKE THIS AWAKENING VISION AS REALITY,

SIMILARLY, THE DREAM VISION IS ALSO REAL.... NOTHING, NONE OF THEM ARE REALITY.

THEY ARE ALL TEMPORARY.

Yadubara: BUT THAT SUBTLE REALITY IS JUST AS REAL AS THIS GROSS REALITY?

Prabhupada: YES. THEY'LL NOT STAY. THIS REALITY WILL NOT STAY.

Hari-sauri: it's all a dreamlike existence.

Prabhupada: YES, SIMPLY A LONG DURATION DREAM. DO YOU THINK THIS SKYSCRAPER

BUILDING WILL STAY? NOTHING WILL STAY. IT MAY STAY FOR FIVE HUNDRED YEARS OR

FIVE THOUSAND YEARS. BUT IS IT NOT PERMANENT. ANYTHING YOU TAKE--THE TREES,

THIS LAND, NOTHING; EVEN THIS OCEAN. BHUTVA BHUTVA PRALIYATE. IT APPEARS AGAIN

AND AGAIN DISAPPEARS, THAT'S ALL. EVERYTHING. THE MATERIAL WORLD MEANS THAT.

BHUTVA BHUTVA PRALIYATE. VYAKTAVYAKTAM. SOMETIMES MANIFESTED, SOMETIMES NOT

MANIFESTED. THIS TOWN IS MANIFESTED, AND ONE BIG WAVE OF SEA, IT WILL BE

NONMANIFESTED, IMMEDIATELY.

Yadubara: So that subtle reality is existing side by side with this gross reality.

Prabhupada: REALITY IS IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD. THIS IS IMITATION REALITY. REAL

REALITY IS IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD.

Hari-sauri: We have to go left here, Srila Prabhupada. (pause) The material

universes are like a produce of Maha-Visnu.

Prabhupada: A BIG DREAM, THAT'S ALL. MATERIAL EXISTENCE MEANS A BIG DREAM. HOW

LONG YOU'LL DREAM? SO LONG YOU ARE IN THIS BODY. AND AS LONG AS THE BODY IS

FINISHED, YOUR DREAM IS FINISHED. YOUR NATION, YOUR SOCIETY, YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR

MONEY, YOUR BANK, EVERYTHING FINISHED. IS IT NOT A DREAM? THEN DREAM

ANOTHER--YOU BECOME CATS AND DOGS OR DEMIGODS. YOU DREAM IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

YOU ARE NOW DREAMING AS AMERICAN; NEXT LIFE YOU MAY DREAM SOMETHING ELSE.

Bharadvaja: So every man has his own world that he's living in?

Prabhupada: Eh? HE CREATES HIS OWN WORLD. NOTHING IS OWN--TEMPORARY--HE CREATES,

AND KRSNA GIVES HIM THE OPPORTUNITY, "ALL RIGHT, YOU ENJOY." Hare nama, hare

nama.

Govardhana-dhari: While doing books we create an atmosphere sometimes, the

devotees..., Krsna gives us the intelligence to give the spiritual world to

these living entities. How can we always stay on that transcendental platform,

to make them see this? (break) (in car:)

Pusta Krsna: If the soul is the living force, if the soul actually leaves the

body, how the body will be..., work.

Ramesvara: THERE'S SOME CONNECTION STILL. WHEN THE SOUL IS..., WHEN THE BODY...,

WHEN YOU ARE DREAMING, AND THE SOUL LEAVES THE BODY, BUT STILL THERE MUST BE

SOME CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SOUL...

Prabhupada: CONNECTION IS THERE, JUST LIKE YOU LEAVE YOUR CAR, YOU KEEP THE

ENGINE GOING ON--GUG GUG GUG GUG GUG GUG--BUT YOU ARE NOT THERE. THE ENGINE,

YOU KEEP IT STARTED.

Ramesvara: Somehow the soul's influence is still there.

Prabhupada: YES. YOU MAKE THAT ENGINE KEEPING--GUG GUG GUG GUG. IF YOU LIKE YOU CAN STOP.

Pusta Krsna: Is it actually Krsna who's maintaining the life in the body then?

THE LIFE OF THE BODY IS MAINTAINED BY KRSNA OR BY THE INDIVIDUAL JIVA?

Prabhupada: NO, BY KRSNA. EVERYTHING IS KRSNA'S PROPERTY. You are thinking, "It

is mine." Ksetrajnam capi mam viddhi sarva-ksetresu bharata. I am the

proprietor of this body, but another body is there. He is the proprietor of all

the bodies. Ksetrajnam capi mam viddhi sarva-ksetresu bharata. The landlord,

he's the proprietor. You are occupier, that's all.

Ramesvara: OH. SO THE LORD IN THE HEART IS KEEPING THAT BODY FOR THAT JIVA, SO

THAT WHEN HE'S FINISHED DREAMING HE COMES BACK TO IT.

Prabhupada: YES.

Ramesvara: IT'S ACTUALLY THE LORD THAT'S KEEPING IT.

Prabhupada: YES, YES.

Ramesvara: ...THE ENGINE GOING.

Prabhupada: Maybe driver. DRIVER IS LEFT.

Ramesvara: Driver is left.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Ramesvara: Like chauffeur.

Prabhupada: Yes.