Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 --- Mohan Gupta <mgupta wrote: > "Mohan Gupta" <mgupta > "a4India\"" <info > How the rogues ruined an IDENTITY > Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:59:30 -0500 > QUOTE" It was February 1835, a time when the British > were striving to take control of the whole of India. > Lord Macaulay, a historian and a politician, made a > historical speech in the British Parliament, > commonly referred to as The Minutes, which struck a > blow at the centuries old system of Indian > education. His words were to this effect: > " I have traveled across the length and breadth of > India and I have not seen one person who is a > beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in > this country, such high moral values, people of such > caliber, that I do not think we would ever conquer > this country, unless we break the very backbone of > this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural > heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace > her old and ancient education system, her culture, > for if the Indians think that all that is foreign > and English is good and greater than their own, they > will lose their self-esteem, their native > self-culture and they will become what we want them, > a truly dominated nation." Unquote. > > The rogues succeeded in ruining an IDENTITY, which > they have not expected in their wildest dreams: > > Whatever Macaulay wanted to achieve in Bharat, he > not only achieved his mission, but also broke the > backbone of Bharat nation so badly that even after > independence Bharatiya people have lost the ability > and desire to fix the backbone. English and mental > slavery has entered into the bones of Bharatiya > people. Due to slavery of Bharat for the last about > 1200 years, it seems that mentally slave people of > independent Bharat give more importance to English > and Urdu languages which are the languages of > ex-colonial masters, and to almost all kinds of > western systems, cultures, traditions, religious > festival and symbols. > > Even the coming generations of Bharat inherit this > gene of slavery. As long as English and Urdu stay > prominent languages in Bharat and English and Urdu > words are used in Hindi, till then Bharatiya people > would stay mentally slave people. > > There is a law in the world that a film or TV > program carries cast in the same language, in which > film or TV program is made. Hindi films are the only > exception in the world. In all most 100% Hindi > films and Hindi TV programs, Cast is given in > English, more than 50% films Hindi films don't even > bother to write the name of Hindi film in Hindi in > the cast of Hindi film. Hindi films, Hindi TV > programs must give complete cast in Hindi. There > could be name of the Hindi film in English. On the > cases of video and DVD's, there is no Hindi at all. > On most of the fliers and advertising material, > usually there is no Hindi at all. On all kinds of > fliers and advertising material Hindi must be > written in major form. > > On more than 90% products manufactured in Bharat, to > be sold in Bharat, to be consumed by Bharatiya > people, only English is written on labels. On the > labels of all products manufactured and even foreign > products sold in Bharat, there must be Hindi in > prominent manner. A business man doing business > must use understandable language to invite > customers. Film and TV industry do not give cast of > Hindi films and Hindi TV programs in Hindi, > manufacturer do not write Hindi on the labels of > their products, business people do not write Hindi > on their Sign Boards, all sorts of media people use > very defective and impure Hindi. In all such cases > where is the interest of customers? > Business people do not write Hindi on their sign > Boards. What to say of most of the Bharat, even on > most of Sign Boards in Delhi, capital of Bharat, > there is no Hindi at all. Even in some areas of > Delhi, there is not even a single Sign Board on > which Hindi is written. All business people must > write Hindi on their Sign Boards in whole Bharat. In > non-Hindi speaking areas, if not on whole Sign > Board, even then on part of the Sign Board Hindi can > be written. > > Most of the Hindi print, electronic, entertainment > uses very, very, defective and impure Hindi. All > sorts of media people must use pure Sanskritnist > Hindi. The other is the use of High-flown Hindi that > took away pure Sanskritnist Hindi and pride from > the common man /woman. Our Music Directors who at > one time gave lovely music had now resorted to using > the Gayatri Mantra as a filmy dhun. This is powerful > by the statutes of our religion which many people > recite it 108 times daily. To bandy it about in this > manner is to devalue it. Religion is personal and > people do not wear it on their sleeve. Once a person > step out he /she is a citizen of a Bharat country > and should be proud to be one of the Bharat nation. > But secular people have distorted language and Hindu > religion for their personal advantage. > People who promote English or Urdu at the cost > of national language Hindi, are traitors of Bharat. > Media people make money on the name of Hindi, but > promote English. Media and business people, > manufacturer people have made Hindi as a sort of > prostitute, and these people have become Dalals or > Bhaduas. I wonder the conscience of these people do > not curse these people for making use of Hindi for > making money and perpetuating mental slavery in > Bharat. > > The media people who do not give cast of Hindi films > and Hindi TV programs in Hindi, do not use pure > Hindi in print and broadcast media, people who do > not use Hindi on the labels of their products are > cursed. Such people are mentally slave people and > may not get human birth for many eras, when such > people ultimately get human birth then such people > stay as slaves or in some form of slavery for many > more eras. Business people and shop keepers, who do > not write Hindi on their Sign Boards, may start > losing their business, go bankrupt and stay in very, > very poor condition for many eras. > > Why Purity of Hindi must be Maintained > The situation is such that in India nobody > speaks in a one language in normal conversation and > it is a mixture of words. When someone want to > propagate a language, start with the simple first > steps which we all were taught. We went to Sanskrit > after eight years of ordinary Hindi where gradually > we moved to Sanskrit words. Then in class IX we > began early Sanskrit lessons. Finally by class XII > we had polished our Hindi to a level where Sanskrit > words came naturally to us. > In our life, we always talk of purity. > People talk about, Purity of thought, purity of > food, purity of mind, then why not purity of a > language? When a guest comes to your home, you try > to serve pure food, not impure food or rotten food, > then why media people should serve rotten Hindi to > Hindi audience or listeners? While preparing food if > you put lots of other things, it gets spoiled, Even > you cannot put lots of salt, chilly or other spices, > other wise food will get spoiled. Similarly if you > put lots of words of other languages in your > language, then you spoil your language, and also > your language becomes more difficult to learn, to > understand and your language loses its identity as > well. Then your language becomes Khichri or a sort > of mixed vegetable. Use of Urdu and English words > in Hindi act as filth for Hindi. > > Every language has a base, grammar, and > format. The words are formed according to some > principles taking into consideration some factors. > It is not a hotch potch of words, borrowed words > from other language or mixture of words. Punjabi > language is a mixture of Hindi, Urdu and some other > languages, and does not have a proper base; > therefore it was not accepted by intellectual people > of Bharat for a long time. > > Hindi is based on Sanskrit, while Urdu is based on > Arabic language. Mixing of Sanskrit and Arabic does > not maintain purity of Hindi. It also makes > difficult to learn proper Hindi. Take the case of > word Hastakshar; it is easy to understand this word > if you know what is meant by Hast and what is meant > by Akshar. Dastkhat is an Urdu word, to understand > this word you have to learn what is Dast, what is > Khat. If some body's knowledge of Urdu or Hindi is > poor, then Dast might be considered for loose > motions. > > Accepted Urdu is a sweet language. Even > if you use lots of sweets, then you get diabetes, > similarly if these sweet Urdu / English words are > put in Hindi, then these sweet words would make > Hindi a sick language. > > If there is a sweet lady, it does not mean that she > should go to other people's houses and throw out her > shit in those houses or people should accept shit > from beautiful ladies. In case of Hindi, it is the > Hindu people, both secular and pseudo-secular > Hindus, who are inviting sweet ladies to their homes > and are prepared to eat their shit. > > No doubt Hindi is a language of Love, Tolerance and > acceptance. It is for this reason, every rascal or > who so ever gets opportunity, try to abuse and > impregnate Hindi. Hindi does not reject filth due > its acceptance nature. Suppose someone 's mother is > sweet, lovely and beautiful, would that person allow > any Tom, Dick, Harry person to sleep with the > mother due to his / her tolerance and acceptance > nature? You might be of any view you would not > allow to happen this. Similarly treat your language > as mother and protect her. > > In fact for the last 1200 years, Hindus > have been taught by pacifist and non-violence > leaders to be tolerant. Such famous leaders are like > Gautam Buddha and Gandhi. It is due to this > tolerance education provided by pacifist leaders > that Hindus remained slave for the 1200 years. > > Urdu is considered an extremely sweet language. Then > how come it has not been accepted all over! I do not > know if you have heard about Kàlidàsa, when I read > about Shàkuntala, it is extremely sweet. ? > Shruyatàma Ràjaputrï? If you talk to French they > think their language is sweet. It is a > mis-perception that Urdu is sweet. Those who have > good knowledge in Samskrita and have studied the > literature will say, that Urdu even does not come > close to sweetness. > > Pure Hindi is not even taught in our > schools in India. Why is it? Because we still do not > want to give up Dàsatà?. We feel, we cannot live > without a Master.Tell me, before Europeans came was > there a word like INDIA! Like? Hindu? came because > Iranians could not pronounce Sindhu? and we started > monkeying the same. Before we were called Àrya? > Vaidika? Sanàtana?. > > British left; after 55+ years, elite class also does > not want to give up India?, and use ?Bhàrata? or > better ?Àryàvarta?. Why? Smaller nations like Shri > Lanka, Myanmar, Kampuchea etc. have been accepted by > world community. Why not we! > If you study about China, they had many dialects > like us, but their visionaries introduced Mandarin, > and it has become common language. > > Medicine in early years was taught in Russian there, > but in few years they switch to Mandarin, and I know > a Open heart surgeon and Pediatrician whose > specialized there without foreign language. > > If a language does not have a proper > word to describe a particular situation, or event or > object, then there is no harm in accepting a word > from other language, but if your language has a > proper word for description, there is no reason that > a word from other language be accepted. There are > many Urdu and English words used in Hindi nowadays > where already proper Hindi words exists. In fact > there are hundred of thousands Hindi words are > available, which are not used and made popular by > media people. Hindi is a very rich in words and it > does not need many words of other languages. > Foreign words in a language should not be more than > a salt. > > In order to popularize Hindi further > simplicity has a very positive role in promoting a > language. To accept a few words is a common practice > in recent years but purity of a language is > desirable as far as possible. > > Use of Urdu and English words in Hindi, > shows that Hindi is not a developed language; > instead Hindi needs crutches of English and Urdu > words. Use of Urdu and English words in Hindi create > inferiority complex amongst Hindi knowing people. > The situation is such that in Bharat nobody speaks > in a one language in normal conversation and it is a > mixture of words of different languages, but over > all due to our slavery, more Sanskritnist Hindi > words are not encouraged; and there is more of > lethargy. > > Creating New Words for Hindi: > > Govinda Thakkar: <Govind, > > "A cigarette is known as dhumrapaan > dundika." 'Bidi' is also used, and if you want to be > creative you can use 'Vi (deshi)bidi', which will be > shorter than cigarette. For Cigarette, use Shorten > "dhumrapaan dundika" to something like "dupandik". > From on now it means a cigarette. Or use "vibidi". > Cut "awat jawat lopatgamini" to "logamin". Put it in > future editions of the Hindi dictionary. From now on > "logamin" means a railway station. Vibidi and > logamin sound better than cigarette and railway > station. Add words Manushya for Àdami, Vasrsha for > Sàla and 'Vivàha' for Sàdi. Savàla is common, but we > know that we have? Prashna?, and same with Javàba > and ?Uttara?. Same with Kishmata and Nasiba when > Bhàgya? could have continued easily. There are many > words you know, which would not be like 'Railway > station'. We may accept the words like Railway > station till we are blessed with some scholar or > Pànini? > > Create descriptive words from roots and if they end > up too long, combine them, shrink them and refine > them until you get what you like. Many Hindi media > people state " How many people in this world can > understand newly created Hindi words?" shows that > they prefer not to create anything new and that they > have already given up. Hindi media people should be > bold, unconventional and inventive. > > We need to create many hundred thousand new > technical and scientific words in Hindi before it > can become the nation's language of higher education > and science. Urdu is a dying language of medieval > Muslims. Let's not waste time on it. > > Some Samskrita experts will have to devise the > words. Some people have tried (like Dura Darshana, > Dura Bhàsha In order to popularise Hindi, simplicity > has a very positive role in promoting a language. To > accept a few words is a common practice in recent > years but purity of a language is desirable as far > as possible. In common Hindi, more words are taken > due to slavery: Most of our words are devised from > basic roots in Samskrita, while in western languages > it is less. (Boot has no root and many words are > taken as some one imposed it). > > Promoting Hindi: > > Many universities and institutions like IT > of Bharat have refused to introduce Hindi in their > courses. There are many institutions in Bharat, > which do not have Hindi courses at all in their > educational institutions. In whole of Bharat, there > should not be a single institution, school or > college where Hindi is not taught without any single > exception. All institutions, may be public or > private must provide facilities for learning Hindi > and Sanskrit > All people who are concerned about promotion of > Hindi, must come forward and promote Hindi by > starting Hindi schools, competitions in poems and > essay writings, Hindi programmers on radios etc. > Hindi lovers must write to those in power to give a > timetable and plan what they have in mind for Hindi > and other languages in Bharat. Bhàshà, Bhushà, > Bhojana are important for our identity; and with > your help we can do it. > > As Gàndhijï had told, it is more responsibility and > power as a journalist to impart knowledge to public > (of course we all need money to survive!). Yes this > great land of Bharata needs sons with this level of > commitment. A day will dawn when an infant enters > into this world where Hindi and all other Bharatiya > bhashas are spoken, written and taught the way they > must be. That infant will be grateful to his > forefathers who stood their ground in the face of > mad aping of foreign tongues and media blasts of > tons and tons of filth, twisting, bending and > pummeling ancient languages which are the gifts from > our own great forefathers. > > It is in excusable, whether it be press, TV, > radio or any damn thing to get away with this kind > of 'liberal' talk. We must push this garbage back > into their own filthy mouths and should allow only > 'proper' language to be aired. As for the 'modern', > 'enlightened' 'liberals' who wouldn't mind getting > screwed in any hole of their body by anything > /anyone, well there must be some form of punishment > for them too. They must face 'proper' examinations > in the language papers, go through 'viva voice' > test, asked to draft good quality letters in their > mother tongue and write essays in the same good > quality, praising their mother tongue and their > mother Bharathi. If they fail to get less than 85%, > they must be detained in the studies. Strict and > high standards of examination must be conducted not > by their schools and colleges, but by independent > language bodies created for this purpose for the > various Bharatiya languages. ALL children must > learn classical music /dance /fine arts / yoga / > Ithihaasas / Puranas etc and must be taught cooking > native dishes and playing native games. If they fail > in the prescribed syllabi of the above type, let > them not proceed further till they are through the > same. They must be taught to read Panchanga, the > Bharatiya calendar. They do not know the names of > various stars, names of seasons etc. Even native > delicacies are not made any longer in most > households and the art is not being passed to the > next generations. > > Packaging of consumer goods - no bold printing > in English, follow any of the Bharatiya languages > for displaying your brand. Let them pack in Bengali > for sale in the state of Bengal etc. > > All who are concerned with national language > problem must come forward and promote Hindi by > starting Hindi schools, competitions in poems and > essay writings, Hindi programmes on radios etc. We > must write to those in power to give a timetable and > plan what they have in mind for Hindi and other > languages in India. > > All Correspondents and Employees of BBC need severe > punishment > > BBC Hindi service uses lots of Urdu and English > words in its Hindi service. All employees and > correspondents of Hindi service of BBC need severe > punishment, better still they all need to be fired > from their jobs. Why the hell these people are in > Hindi programmes, if these people do not know Hindi > well. All these people need to go back to school, > instead of spreading filth in the name of Hindi > > I object very strongly when BBC and > other Hindi media people use Urdu or English words > in Hindi. BBC Hindi program is heard by many million > people all over the world. By using lots of Urdu and > English words in Hindi, BBC not only pollutes Hindi, > but in the name of Hindi it spreads filth and > downgrades Hindi as well. BBC creates obstacles in > spreading Sanskritnist Hindi. It must be stopped. > > When I did not understand any Urdu word > spoken in BBC in Hindi service, then on some > occasions I felt that if I have some sort of power, > I would kill all the BBC Hindi staff members along > with its all correspondents without any exception. > I feel annoyed with the management of BBC, who hire > such unworthy people who do not know proper Hindi. > Some words of Urdu like Khabre, Shukria, Tahat, > Matahat, Muddhe, Mahool, and Tarjeeh, Surkiya, > Izzaffa used by BBC Hindi staff for their Hindi > services are very annoying. > > The whole BBC Hindi staff needs learning Hindi again > and also need retraining for broadcasting in Hindi. > > Being radical in your thoughts does not mean > exposing your thoughts to other people. This is > subjective to use? Radical? What is proper, and so > far it is selfless, Krishna taught to do? Karma? and > that is I am doing. > > ------------ > > "Dr S Sharma" <dr_ssharma > > Why Purity of Hindi must be Maintained > > Priya Gupta Jee, > Atra kushalam traastu. > I am delighted to read about your efforts > to work tirelessly for the purity of our National > language Hindi. I would like to breath in a fresh > air and I advise my patients to do the same because > this is good as simple as that it must apply to > everything that is why we give pure drug or medicine > to our patients. If you give impure medicine then > the consequences will be fatal. > Those who do not understand this simple fact then in > my opinion they don't understand the greatness of > being pure, purity. There is a saying in Hindi that > > > NALI KA KIDA GANDAGI ME HI PRASANNA AHTA > HAI. > PURITY IS PURITY and you have to be pure to think > pure. one must aim for purity in everything only > then we can reach to purity. Why do we want 24 carat > gold/ Why do we want pure food / > WE SHOULD AIM FOR PURITY AND ONLY THEN WE CAN > APPRECIATE PURITY. > I am with you shri Gupta jee and we will achieve > purity for our Rashtra Bhasha. > > JIS KO NA NIJ BHASHA TATHA NIJ DESH PAR > ABHIMAN HAI > WAHA NAR NAHIN NAR PASU NIRA HAI AUR MRITAK > SAMAN HAI. > WORDS OF POET Shri Maithili Sharan Gupta. > EKLA CHALO EAK LA CHALO EKLA CHALO RE------ > Ravindranath Tagore > people will follow in great number. > Vande Bharat Mataram. J A I H I N D . > DR . S. SHARMA. > > ------------------- > > > - > > "GPK pillai" <pillaigpk > > <mgupta > > Comments on the use of pure Hindi > > Pranam Guptaji, > Indeed the purity of Hindi should be maintained and > who is responsible for the dilution and corruption > or colloquialisation of the language. Obvious answer > is Bollywood, whose Hindi gains popularity much > faster than the Crores spent in spreading real Hindi > through Hindi Prachar Sabha-s or other Governmental > programmes. > > But the infra-structure of pure Hindi already exists > by the concerted efforts of the Sampoornanand > Committee during Nehruvian days and the AIR > newsreaders scrupulously followed the pure Hindi > those days and was a pleasure to hear the > sanskritised original Hindi. > > The Govt. should take the responsibility to revive > the same and Murali Manohar Joshi would be very glad > to implement the programme as his thinking is > reflected in the actions in NCERT, IHRC.etc. > GPKPillai > > --------------- > > - > > JHOREE > > Mohan Gupta > > Why Purity of Hindi must be Maintained > > Dear Mr. Gupta, > > It is understood that you are striving to place > Hindi in its real force without importing any other > words since it already have them. > > It's just like tending hands (not loans) with others > to satisfy own needs. > > And the BBC actual programs in Hindi are not of > those distant days before Independence. Why is there > such a language program and why Hindi, its should be > Indian if they want to satisfy other language > lovers. > > Such Hindi like that of bastard Hindi films where > they have forgotten Prem for Love and what not just > to impress Hindi speaking Indians (despite they know > that even after lakhs of years they'll remain > bharatiyas). Such language is no more Hindi unless > one is stupid to accept Creole as French be it from > Reunion, Guyane or Seychelles. Using imported things > are just to impress others like females attracting > males. > > There is no question of that silly railway station > word in Hindi or presence of ayurvedic medicine or > massala in UK drug houses. Its funny (if not fool) > from an editor as response in such an important > issue. I don't think he has something to say on the > issue, he better defend English/Urdu before British > / Muslims because nobody is downgrading English > /Urdu or any other language here. He has the right > to be tolerant not on others back because what most > journalist write ends in waste paper factories. > > All journalists know that they were not voted for > their opinions and what they enjoy (eat, drink, wear > (the underwear of their females too|) stay, travel) > comes from purses of readers. They have never mind > developing any plan for mankind even for a decent > meal each day. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME. Politicians have > done better. > > I know French which is a very finest language by > both pronunciation and grammer but they can't do > away with football /corners (you know the Indian > English -more royalist than the Queen's protest for > the name) and so many words because certain things > have their origins and these languages are not so > rich like Hindi where you have a word for every > maternal or paternal uncles or aunts.Keep on Sir; > erase such stupid points from your study. > > Jhoree S. > > =========== > > Genevieve Bhat > > There is Indian evening news aani.com, most > probably. It is better for us to attack our own > Hindu brothers who do so much harm to us. > > 1. They call Shatrughan Sinha and party 'Radical > Hindus' on international media. I prefer Muslims > and Christians to these so called Hindus. These > Hindus insult us right and left and give a very bad > image of the Hindus. > > 2. The call our spiritual History mythology, whereas > hey call Jesus myth History. > > 3. They praise Mother Teresa relentlessly and at the > same time jeer the Swamis and Sadhus who show > chamatkars with their yogic shakti. > > I am not telling you lies. I have seen it with my > own eyes. And what we have done for the 3rd of > December when all Christians all over the world > celebrate the deaths of the Goan Hindus in the hands > of the Portuguese especially the brute Francis > Xavier? > > Then why can't we start celebrating Gauri Mohammad's > invasion? > > Native Americans protest against the Columbus Day > celebrations, whereas we Indians have no clue about > the atrocities committed by Francis Xavier and all > those Sufi sullas! > > Normally Truth is BITTER- We know the history is > distorted. > > > =====================xxx==============================xxx=========xxx======== > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 A MESSAGE FROM AN AMERICAN INDIAN RE: BRITISH ATTEMPTS TO DESTROY HINDU CULTURE. --- Writspirit wrote: > Writspirit > Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:47:24 EST > How to destroy a culture > vrnparker > > You do not tell us something that has not been done > to all the people's of > color. The European has gone into every country of > color and implanted THEIR > god, THEIR culture, THEIR language, THEIR laws, > THEIR brand of truth, THEIR idea > of history, THEIR customs, THEIR medicines, THEIR > value system, THEIR rule > and THEIR domination. > > The aftermath has been poverty, illness, ignorance, > pollution, destruction > and death around the world. > > Their God is a bigoted war God. Their culture is a > immoral culture. Their > lanugage is a gutteral polluted one, Their laws are > unjust. Their brand of > truth is to LIE, Their idea of history is to rewrite > it to their advantage. > Their customs are a collection of everyone elses. > Their medicine is to cut and > drug, Their value systems is to have none. Their > rule is to steal, kill, > malign, uninform, abuse, and control. Their > domination is to cause fear and to > pollute the world with the greatest murders the > world has ever seen through > their perpetration of wars and weapons of mass > destruction that have caused most > of the atomic and nuclear wars this world has ever > seen. There is none so mad > or insane than the greedy White race. > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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