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srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha

srImadh varavara munayE namaha

 

Sri Krishan Swamy.

 

Thanks a lot for your wonderful message. This message is like a rain

for the water starved Chennai-ites. Yes, all along after starting

this list, we were only discussing some disputes with respect to

another list and were waiting for some enlightening posts regarding

the sampradhAyam. Now we have started getting it.

 

Dear Members, if another great swamy of the list, Sri.

M.A.Venkatakrishnan swamy also starts pouring in, then I am sure this

list will not be starved for want of information on the sampradhAyam.

 

We hope this cloud too bursts soon.

 

We request you both make periodical or very frequent postings so that

we all get enlightened.

 

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

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"Velukkudi Krishnan" <velukkudi

Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:42:57 +0530

"Ramanuja Group" <ramanuja>

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Respected Bhagavatottamas

 

Adiyen's best wishes for the new group named after the great Acharya

Ramanuja. We all take pride calling ourselves as Sri vaishnavas and

more as Ramanuja Dasan / Dasi. When there were so many acharyas

before and after Swamy Ramanuja, what is the uniqueness about

Ramanuja. Let me share some of them with you.

 

 a.. All acharyas before Ramanuja were called anuvritti prasanna

acharya i.e. one who imparts knowledge to sishyas who have passed all

the criteria in terms of basic knowledge, anushtana, perseverence

etc. But Ramanuja broke this chain (oraNvazhi) and introduced a

simple criterion - " Desire to know". (This was a boon to people like

us) Hence he was the first one to be hailed as Kripa mAtra prasanna

acharya. Manavala Mamunigal in Upadesa Rattina malai - "Asai

udayorkkellam AriyarkAl kUrumenru pEsi varambaruttAr pin"

 

 a.. Ramanuja was the only one to whom Sri Ranganatha submitted both

his vibhUtis , nitya and leela and gave the authority  of granting

moksha. Quote "Vishnu lOka maNi mandapa mArga dAyi" Kanchi Devaraja

has reinforced this authority by advising Tirukkachi nambigal that

moksham for nambigal is due to his connection with Ramanuja.

 

 a.. Ramanuja was the only one whom Nammalwar acknowledged. He has

given the divine statue of Ramanuja to nAthamunigal. And this divine

vigraham is the deity at Ramanuja sannidhi at Alwartirunagari even

today. Quote " bhavishyadAcharya varaswarUpam sandarsayamAsa - tam

kAri sUnum Saranam prapadye". This vigraham was held by all our pUrva

acharyas in their tiruvaradhanam.

 

 a.. Ramanuja is the only one  to whom the revered title "Swamy"  is

apt. We do call many other acharyas also with this title. But see

this - All temples are koils but just the word "koil" will stand for

Sri Rangam only. All birthdays of perumal are jayantis but "jayanti"

would stand only for Sri Krishna Jayanti. All jeers are jeers but

just "jeer" or "Peria jeer" is only for Manavala Mamungal. (At the

beginning  and end of every santhai session, we all chant "Alwar

emperumanar "jeer" tiruvadigale saranam"). Similarly, just "Swamy"

stands for Ramunja alone. For others we must add their name also to

identify them.

 

 a.. Ramanuja was the first to document in as many terms the

VisishtAdvaita sampradAya. The works of all other acharyas followed

his footsteps. Thus our darsanam is till today called as "Emperumanar

darsanam" or "Ramanuja Darsanam". The concept of Sarangati as

developed by alwars, nathamunigal and Alavandar was also documented

by Ramanuja both in text and practice.

 

 a.. Ramanuja is the only acharya who was referred with respect /

followed by  other  schools in vaishnavism like chaitanya,

vallabhacharya, Swamy narayan .  

 

 a.. All the acharyas after Ramanuja have pointed their fingers and

sung in praise of Ramanuja only. Even though acharyas like Swamy

Pillai lokacharya, Swamy Desikan and Swamy Manavala Mamunigal  1. are

much later in time to Ramanuja, and 2. have their own acharya, still

they refer to Swamy Ramanuja only as the ultimate acharya. Pls note

this point " Our moksham is not guaranteed only with the sambandham

of any other acharya - but Ramanuja".   Our daily chant is "

RamanujArya divyAgya vardhatAm abhi vardhatAm. " It is only he who

can command and all our acharyas and we follow his command.

 

 a.. Whoever has samasrayanam he is first taught to chant  (by his

own acharya) "Adiyen Ramanuja dasan" when he prostrates before

elders.

 

 a.. Ramanuja was the only one adept in all fields like vedanta,

rahasyas, vaishnavism, politics, upliftment of downtrodden, arts,

culture and what not. He was a perfect mix of gnana and bhakti after

alwars.

 

 a.. Finally, let me cite a happening from Koorathalwans life. Once

there was a debate near kaveri as to who would be the greatest

acharya on earth. there were arguments and counter arguments.

Koorathzhwan could not bear this any more. He walked in to kaveri

water and vowed with raised hands " satyam satyam puna: satyam

yatirAjo jagatguru: - sa eva sarva lokAnam uddharta na samsaya:"

Yatiraja is the only Acharya to this world. He is the only one who

can bring us out of the sufferings of this materialistic world.

 

So let us take pride that we are Ramanuja dasa, let us be without any

confusion as we are Ramanuja sishyas, let us be assured of a birth in

Sri vaikuntha as we are Ramanuja sambandhis. I pray to divya dampatis

for Ramanuja groups to reach greater heights in the service to

humanity.

 

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha.

 

 

 

 

 

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Sri Parthasarathi thunaiSrimathe Ramanujaya NamahaSri Vara Vara MunayE Namaha

Dear Sri Ramesh,Adiyen clarified this doubt with HH Sri Vanamamalai jeeyer swamy

sometime back and he said that the thaniyan "sarva desa dasa kAlE" was actually

given by embar and hence is recited by all. Swamy mentioned some place where it

has been clearly written about the authorship of this thaniyan. Alwar

emperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigale sharanamAdiyen rAmAnuja dAseeSumithra

Varadarajan

 

"S.RAMESH SAMPATH" <sramesh wrote:Dear Bhagavatas

 

Adiyen is from Muscat Iyengar's group. I have got a doubt about sathumurai

kramam of Thenkalai & Vadakalai Sampradayam.

 

In the Tenkalai sathumurai kramam, we chant

'sarva desha dasa kaleshva vyahatha parakrama

ramanujarya divyagna varthatham abi varthamam'

which was made by Periya Jeer (swami Manavala Mamunigal) which is also

chanted by vadakalai sampradayam

 

However there is another verse in the same sathumurai kramam of Thenkalai

made by Periya Jeer (swami Manavala Mamunigal)

'nama srisaila nathaya kunthi nagara janmane

prasadha labda paramaprapya kainkarya saline'

which is not chanted by vadakalai.

 

Adiyen has got a very little knowledge in our sampradayam. However if

anyone can clarify on this doubt, I will be thankful.

 

Thanks

 

S. Ramesh

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