RE: Message from U.Ve Velukkudi Swami & U.Ve M.A Venka takrishnan Swami(Lord's Acharya)

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Dear Sri Pattangi,

 

I really appreciate you having to indulge in such a noble work. I recently

d into this since last Marghazhi hoping to gain some insight into

our sampradayam and I've got more than I would want. This discussion about

Swamy Desikar and Swamy Manvala Mamunigal has been an eye opener for a

beginner like me to introspect into one's own self.

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

 

Anand

 

 

Pattangi [danp]

Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:25 AM

ramanuja

[ramanuja] Message from U.Ve Velukkudi Swami & U.Ve M.A

Venkatakrishnan Swami(Re: Lord's Acharya)

 

 

sri:

 

Dear bhagavatas,

I had to unfortunately go through a write up by Sri Anand Swamy on Swamy

Manavala mamunigal. The following are the main allegations:

1. Srisailesa taniyan was taught to a common archaka boy and made to recite

- Sri Ranganatha did not come in disguise as this boy - yatindra pravana

prabhavan wrongly quoted for this.

2. Srisailesa means Kidambi iyengar purushothaman who was a disciple of

Brahmatantra jeer - mistaken identity.

3. Swamy Desikan is a purvacharya for thenkalayars and so they should recite

Swamy Desikan taniyan.

4. Swamy Manavala mamunigal is not a purvacharya for vadakalayars and so

they need not recite Swamy MMunigal taniyan (or even worship him ?)

5. Thenkalayars being fanatics and a sampradaya ignorant lot, glorify Swamy

manavala Mamunigal to degrade Swamy Desikan.

 

Sri U Ve Venkatakrishnan swami was requested to come out with the correct

facts on the above. He was kind enough to promptly do so. Issue wise they

are given below.

 

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Manavala Mamunigal & Sriranganatha

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The biography of Manavala Mamunigal was written by

Pillailokam Jeeyar of 16th Century A.D. It is known as

Yathindrapravana Prabhavam.

This is the only ancient work on the biography of Mamunigal

and hence, people who want to quote the incidents that took

place in life of Manavala Mamunigal, as well as the people who

want to misquote also depend only on this book.

 

In that book, it has been clearly said that Lord

Ranganatha of Srirangam himself invited Manavala

Mamunigal to give a detailed discourse on Thiruvalmozhi

in front of him. The discourse went on for one year

and on the concluding day of the discourse, Lord

Ranganatha, came in the disguise of one

Sriranganayakam, a five year old son of an Archaka,

uttered the thanian

"srisailesa daya patram dhi bhaktyadi gunarnavam

yathindrapravanam vande ramya jamataram munim".

 

Having unttered this, he disappeared.

This incidnent is narrated in the book

called Yathindrapravana Prabhavam, which is still

available in print and it is for everybody to verify

it with their own eyes.

('Ythindrapravana Prabhavam' published by Dr.V.V.Ramanujam,

Srirangapriya Publications, 68 T.P.Koil Street, Triplicane, Chennai

600 005; page 158-159)

 

But recently some persons who are not able to tolerate the

greatness of Manavala Mamunigal, have misquoted the

portions from that book and tried to establish that it was not Lord

Ranganatha, but only the Archaka's son Aranganayakam

who composed the thaniyan. When doing so, they have

conveniently ignored the next Para in that same book:

 

"uDane tirumalai perumAlkoil thodakkamAna

thiruppadigalukkellAm sri sEnaimudliyAruDaya

srimukamAga anusandhAna kAlangal thorum jEyar

vishayamAga namperumAl arulichcheida taniyan

 

"srisailesa daya patram dhi bhaktyadi gunarnavam

yathindrapravanam vande ramya jamataram munim".

 

endru anusandhithu thodangavum ............." (immediatly,

the messeage was sent through sEnaimudaliyAr to all

the Divyadesams like thirumalai, perumAl koil etc. to

commence the recetations only with this thaniyan

composed by namperumAl i.e. Lord Ranganatha) (page 160).

If they say that they don't accept the authority

of that book it is for them to do so. But if they

quote (why quote? misquote) some lines of from the

above book, and conveniently ignore the following

lines (which are against their ideas), it is a blatant

cheating.

 

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Srisailesa dayapatram

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Out of the 108 Srivaishnava Divyadesams,

Divyaprabandhams are recited only in about 80

Divyadesams (excepting the ones that located in the

North India and Kerala.) Out of these 80, in all about

70 Divya desams only "srisailesa dayApAtram" is

recited at the commencement of the sevAkAlam. Apart

from this, in the birth places of all the Alvars and

Acharyas, (without any exception), including thUppil,

the birth place of Vedanta Desika, "Srisailesa

dayApAtram" taniyan alone is recited. This itself is

the clear proof that the taniyan was composed by the

Lord Himself, and only by His order it is recited in

all the Divyadesams. Even today, the annual

Thirunakshatram and Thirtham of Manavala Mamunigal is

celebrated none other than by Lord Ranganatha Himself,

just as a disciple would do for his Acharya. If

anybody is jealous of this we can't help it. Even in

the very few divya desams where divyaprabandam is

started with out srisailesa dayapatram there are very

clear court records to prove when it happened so.

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Manavala Mamunigal & Kidambi Nayanar

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In the same 'yathindrapravana prabhavam' it is stated

that Mamunigal had his Sribhashya kalakshepam under

one Kidambi Nayanar. (Note that the name has not been

mentioned as Kidambi Thirumalai Nayanar.) His

thaniyan is recited in the Thengalai kalakshepa

guruparampara and his name is mentioned as

varadacharya in that thaniyan. But the name of Kidambi

Thirumalai Nayanar, disciple of Brahmatantra Jeeyar

swami is mentioned as Purushottama Desikar in the

(vadagalai) moovaayrippadi guruprampara. Thus it is

clear that Kidambi nayanar (sribhashya Acharya of

Manaval Mamunigal) and Kidambi thirumalai nayanar (the

disciple of Brahmatantra jeeyar) are two different

persons. Even assuming that Manavalamamunigal had his

Sribhashya Kalakshepam under the disciple of

Brahmatantra Jeeyar, then one can ask why the

vadagalis (at least the followers of Brahmatantra

jeear) do not accept Mamunigal as one of the Acharyas,

when he had his Sribhashya kalakshepam under their

Acharya?

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Manavala Mamunigal & Vedanta Desika

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If Manavala Mamunigal's thaniyan is recited in

preference to the other thaniyans it is because of the

Order of the Lord Sriranganatha. It doesn't mean any

disrespect to any other Acharya. Even the thaniyan

(mAthA pithA) of Nammalvar is recited only after the

thaniyan (yonithyam) of Ramanuja by all the

Srivaishnavites without any exception. Does this mean

disrespect to Nammalvar? The individual thaniyans of

Nathmuni, Yamunacharya, Periyanambi, Tirumalai Nambi,

Kurattalvan, Embar, Bhattar, Nanjiyar, Nampillai and

so many other Acharyas are not at all recited while

the Divyaprabandhams are recited. Does this undermines

their contribution to Srivaishnavism? So when the

thaniyan of Manavalamamunigal is recited, it is

because of the Divine Order, and it does not mean any

disrespect to any other Acharya, including Vedanta

Desika. Hence, if anybody thinks that the greatness of

Manavala Mamunigal is affecting the greatness of

Vedanta Desika, he is only doing an Asahyapachara on

both these Acharyas. (Asahyapachara is a sin committed

towards a devotee of the Lord, without any reason

whatsoever and mere out of jealousy.)

 

Thangalais accept Vedanta Desika as an Acharya and

they do recite his thaniyan in Sribhashya prampara.

 

Almost in all the Thengalai temple, the idol of Vedanta

Desika is there and his thirunakshatrams are also

performed.

But not even in a single vadagalai temple

Manavala mamunigal idol is consecrated. Though

Manavalamamunigal was mainly responsible to bring the

Edu Muppatharayirappadi to light, his thaniyan is not

being recited by even the Vadagalais who accept Edu.

This clearly shows who are jealous against whom.

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These replies are given for both thenkalayars and vadakalayars to know the

truth.

Enough has been written about the author of the write up and so I would not

like to add.

We have answered only the direct issues in the write up. I have many

unanswered questions.

 

1. What was the need for this write up ?

2. What is the objective of this write up ?

3. What is the value added to malolan net by publishing this write up ?

4. There was a controversy a few months back in bhakti list.

After that every one resolved that we would not indulge in this mudslinging.

 

Why is our resolution/self contol so short lived ?

 

All the members of Yati sammelanam came to a consensus that derogatory

remarks

(like calling someone as fanatic) would not be published hereafter,

irrespective of

whether the issue on hand is true or false. It was also agreed that NO

damaging

remarks would be passed on either sect (like alpa buddhi etc)or an

individual acharya.

This resulution was published in many of our sampradaya monthly journals.

This write up is being put up to the members. Either malolan net can say

that

they are not bound by the sammelanam resolution in which case they are not

connected to Ahobila mutt.

Or if they feel they are connected to Ahobila mutt and so they are bound by

the

resolution, let them be kind enough to announce the removal of this posting

from their list.

 

Let us continue our discussions only to learn more.

 

 

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U.Ve. M.A Venkatakrishnan Swami U.Ve Velukkudi Krishnan Swami

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