Thirumaalai-13

June 7, 2002

SrimathE RaAmAnujAya NamahaAzhwAr EmperumAnAr JeEyar TiruvadigalE Saranam

Dear Smt.Sumitra Varadharajan,

It had been a real pleasure reading your outpouring on Thondaradipodi azhwar's

TirumAlai pasurams. Kindly continue your propogation on Hari Nama

Sankeertanam. I have a few doubts in this mail.

1. pAdiyum urangi pogum : Does here azhwar says that "mankind sleep for 12

hours" or since during those days there were no electric lights, he refers to

the "night portion of 12 hours which is dark" as urangi pogum.

2. If we can align the words as "padiyum urangi pogum", "nindradil"

"padinayandu pedhai balaghadanagum", "piNi pasi moopu thunbam", it makes more

clear. "padiyum urangi pogum" means 50 % (years) portion goes in dark,

"nindradil" means out of the balance, "padinayandu pedhai balaghadanagum"

means 15 years goes in innocent and ignorant childhood, "piNi pasi mooppu

thunbam" means rest of life goes in sickness, hungry (time to eat), old age

inability, samsAric worries.

I am just supplementing your thoughts and kindly pardon and correct me for any

incorrect understanding.

NamO nArAyanA

G. SundarrajanPT. Aneka Kimia Raya TbkWisma AKR, Jalan Panjang No.5,Kebon

JerukJakarta 11530Tel : 62-21-5311110 Extn : 898Fax : 62-21-5311388Mobile :

0811193742

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Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:39 PM

[ramanuja] Thirumaalai-13

Sri Parthasarathi thunai,

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

“ Mattrondrum vEinda Maname Madhilarangar

Kattrinum meitha kazhalinai keezh- uttra

Thirumaalai paadum seer Thondaradipodi Emperumaanai

Eppozhudum peesu”

“ Srimat Krishna samahvaya Namo yaamuna soonave

yetkadAkshai kalakshyAnAm sulabha: Sridara: sadaa”

Pranams,

Paasuram-3

“vEdanool prAyam Nooru manisarthAm puguvarElum

pAdiyum orangipOgum nindradil padinaiyandu

pEdhai bAlagan aDagum pini pasi moopu tunbam

AdalAl piravi vEndEn arangamAnagarulane”

Let us now proceed to see the divine meanings in the third paasuram. Alwar in

the earlier paasurams explained the importance of nAma sankeertanam and said

that he will not even accept moksha granted to him since he preferred to stay

in Srirangam and do nAma keertanam. Now in this paasuram alwar remembers are

the difficulties in this world and says I don’t want birth again. Sri

PVP’s vyakhyanam to this paasuram is excellent.

vEdanool prAyam Nooru manisarthAm puguvarElum: According to the vedas a normal

human age is determined to be hundred. “sadAyurvai purusha:” says

the vedas. Actually hundred years has been said for a jidendriyan who had full

control of his senses but then for a commoner the life is even more less.

Hundred or less a man’s lifetime is only Alpa ayusu when compared to the

life of the mountains or the ocean which lives for decades together. Our life

span is not decided by us instead our fate and the bhagavan’s sankalpam

determines it. Here alwar says how our lifetime is spent. Even though we have

the full span as mentioned in the vedas half of it is wasted. How?

pAdiyum orangipOgum nindradil padinaiyandu: Out of the 24 hours available in

the day we sleep almost 12 hours. Though only 8 hours is recommended for any

human body we enjoy sleeping more. So half of our lifetime goes in sleeping

and hence only fifty years we are awake. Andal in thiruppAvai says

“kumbakarananum thotrum vunakke peruntuyil thAn thanthAnO”.

Kumbakaranan Ravana’s brother used to sleep for 6 months together and

when he woke up he spent the rest of the 6 months eating. Here andal mocks at

one of the gopi, who was still sleeping when all others were awake and waiting

in her doorsteps. Andal here says to that gopi “probably u and

kumbakaranan had a context to determine who sleeps more and probably you won

and that is why kumbakaranan gave his sleep also to you and that is why you are

sleeping still”. Then nAchiyAr continues to say “kEsavanai pAdavum

nE kEtE kidaththinO” Inspite of we singing the praise of the lord kEsavan

how can you still sleep? That is our bhakhyam we are all blessed with only

sleep always and hence we refrain even from bhagavat vishayam. So we loose

half our life sleeping. Then what do we do with the rest of our lifetime?

pEdhai bAlagan aDagum pini pasi moopu tunbam: In the rest of our life the first

fifteen is spent in innocence. Initially we do not even know to feed ourselves

or clean ourselves everything has to been done only by our parents. Then we

slowly come to know about the worldly affairs. When we are kids our main

concentration is in playing(bAlastaave kreedhasaktha:). Then at the age of 20

or 25 we are more concerned with earning a living and hence not bothered about

bhagavat vishayam. Now that we are somewhat settled in a job, we get married

and then have kids. All are over and now when we grow old and want to go to

bhagavat vishayam our body doesn’t give room for it. When our eyes were

able to see we were not prepared to go and have darshan of bhagavan but now our

eyes have lost their power. Similarly our ears, legs and the whole body has

become weak due to the age. We fall sick quite often. Summarising, we spend

fifty years of our lifespan sleeping, then in the rest fifty years partly we

spent as kids then in search of money and matter and then enjoying the

togetherness in a family and finally now we have grown old. So the life now is

filled with pini(disease), pasi(hunger) moopu(old age) and tunbam(suffering).

So what do we really achieve?

AdalAl piravi vEndEn arangamAnagarulane: So alwar now says I hence do not want

such a life which is worth for nothing. It is always filled only with

miseries. Alwar in each of his paasuram refers to the lord who stays in

SriRangam as arangamAnagarulane and tells his views to him.

So a doubt now arises. In the previous paasuram alwar said that he didn’t

want to go to moksha and now he says he doesn’t want to live in this

world, filled with miseries then what does alwar want? For this question Sri

PVP gives an excellent vyakhyanam, let us see it in the next posting.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasyai

Sumithra Varadarajan

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June 7, 2002

srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha

srImadh varavara munayE namah

Dear Smt Sumitra,

I would like to concur with the views of Sri Sundarrajan swamy. That is

actually what I heard in the upanyAsams. May be you can throw further light

on it.

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

"Sundarajan"

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SrimathE RaAmAnujAya Namaha

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr JeEyar TiruvadigalE Saranam

Dear Smt.Sumitra Varadharajan,

It had been a real pleasure reading your outpouring on Thondaradipodi

azhwar's TirumAlai pasurams. Kindly continue your propogation on Hari Nama

Sankeertanam. I have a few doubts in this mail.

1. pAdiyum urangi pogum : Does here azhwar says that "mankind sleep for

12 hours" or since during those days there were no electric lights, he

refers to the "night portion of 12 hours which is dark" as urangi pogum.

2. If we can align the words as "padiyum urangi pogum", "nindradil"

"padinayandu pedhai balaghadanagum", "piNi pasi moopu thunbam", it makes

more clear. "padiyum urangi pogum" means 50 % (years) portion goes in

dark, "nindradil" means out of the balance, "padinayandu pedhai

balaghadanagum" means 15 years goes in innocent and ignorant childhood,

"piNi pasi mooppu thunbam" means rest of life goes in sickness, hungry

(time to eat), old age inability, samsAric worries.

I am just supplementing your thoughts and kindly pardon and correct me for

any incorrect understanding.

NamO nArAyanA

G. Sundarrajan

PT. Aneka Kimia Raya Tbk

Wisma AKR, Jalan Panjang No.5,

Kebon Jeruk

Jakarta 11530

Tel : 62-21-5311110 Extn : 898

Fax : 62-21-5311388

Mobile : 0811193742

-

sumithra varadarajan

oppiliappan ; ramanuja

Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:39 PM

[ramanuja] Thirumaalai-13

Sri Parthasarathi thunai,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

" Mattrondrum vEinda Maname Madhilarangar

Kattrinum meitha kazhalinai keezh- uttra

Thirumaalai paadum seer Thondaradipodi Emperumaanai

Eppozhudum peesu"

" Srimat Krishna samahvaya Namo yaamuna soonave

yetkadAkshai kalakshyAnAm sulabha: Sridara: sadaa"

Pranams,

Paasuram-3

"vEdanool prAyam Nooru manisarthAm puguvarElum

pAdiyum orangipOgum nindradil padinaiyandu

pEdhai bAlagan aDagum pini pasi moopu tunbam

AdalAl piravi vEndEn arangamAnagarulane"

Let us now proceed to see the divine meanings in the third paasuram.

Alwar in the earlier paasurams explained the importance of nAma

sankeertanam and said that he will not even accept moksha granted to him

since he preferred to stay in Srirangam and do nAma keertanam. Now in

this paasuram alwar remembers are the difficulties in this world and says

I don't want birth again. Sri PVP's vyakhyanam to this paasuram is

excellent.

vEdanool prAyam Nooru manisarthAm puguvarElum: According to the vedas a

normal human age is determined to be hundred. "sadAyurvai purusha:" says

the vedas. Actually hundred years has been said for a jidendriyan who had

full control of his senses but then for a commoner the life is even more

less. Hundred or less a man's lifetime is only Alpa ayusu when compared

to the life of the mountains or the ocean which lives for decades

together. Our life span is not decided by us instead our fate and the

bhagavan's sankalpam determines it. Here alwar says how our lifetime is

spent. Even though we have the full span as mentioned in the vedas half

of it is wasted. How?

pAdiyum orangipOgum nindradil padinaiyandu: Out of the 24 hours available

in the day we sleep almost 12 hours. Though only 8 hours is recommended

for any human body we enjoy sleeping more. So half of our lifetime goes

in sleeping and hence only fifty years we are awake. Andal in thiruppAvai

says "kumbakarananum thotrum vunakke peruntuyil thAn thanthAnO".

Kumbakaranan Ravana's brother used to sleep for 6 months together and when

he woke up he spent the rest of the 6 months eating. Here andal mocks at

one of the gopi, who was still sleeping when all others were awake and

waiting in her doorsteps. Andal here says to that gopi "probably u and

kumbakaranan had a context to determine who sleeps more and probably you

won and that is why kumbakaranan gave his sleep also to you and that is

why you are sleeping still". Then nAchiyAr continues to say "kEsavanai

pAdavum nE kEtE kidaththinO" Inspite of we singing the praise of the lord

kEsavan how can you still sleep? That is our bhakhyam we are all blessed

with only sleep always and hence we refrain even from bhagavat vishayam.

So we loose half our life sleeping. Then what do we do with the rest of

our lifetime?

pEdhai bAlagan aDagum pini pasi moopu tunbam: In the rest of our life the

first fifteen is spent in innocence. Initially we do not even know to

feed ourselves or clean ourselves everything has to been done only by our

parents. Then we slowly come to know about the worldly affairs. When we

are kids our main concentration is in playing(bAlastaave kreedhasaktha:).

Then at the age of 20 or 25 we are more concerned with earning a living

and hence not bothered about bhagavat vishayam. Now that we are somewhat

settled in a job, we get married and then have kids. All are over and now

when we grow old and want to go to bhagavat vishayam our body doesn't give

room for it. When our eyes were able to see we were not prepared to go

and have darshan of bhagavan but now our eyes have lost their power.

Similarly our ears, legs and the whole body has become weak due to the

age. We fall sick quite often. Summarising, we spend fifty years of our

lifespan sleeping, then in the rest fifty years partly we spent as kids

then in search of money and matter and then enjoying the togetherness in a

family and finally now we have grown old. So the life now is filled with

pini(disease), pasi(hunger) moopu(old age) and tunbam(suffering). So what

do we really achieve?

AdalAl piravi vEndEn arangamAnagarulane: So alwar now says I hence do not

want such a life which is worth for nothing. It is always filled only

with miseries. Alwar in each of his paasuram refers to the lord who stays

in SriRangam as arangamAnagarulane and tells his views to him.

So a doubt now arises. In the previous paasuram alwar said that he didn't

want to go to moksha and now he says he doesn't want to live in this

world, filled with miseries then what does alwar want? For this question

Sri PVP gives an excellent vyakhyanam, let us see it in the next posting.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasyai

Sumithra Varadarajan

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June 7, 2002

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Dear Sri Sunderrajan and Sri Venkatesh,

Let me accept one thing my copy of the ThirumAlai vyakhyanam is presently in

India so iam unable to verify and tell you exactly. My postings are based on

the upanyasam cassettes i have here. But let me explain your doubt to the best

of my knowledge.

Sri Sunderrajan's view is correct, alwar may have referred to the 12 hours in

the night but then why should dark be referred to be a waste of time. Only if

we sleep it is a waste of time according to azhvar. According to azhvar good

kalashepam is bhagavan nAma sankeertanam and that can be very well done even in

dark or in the night. So here even if it is a reference to the night or the

sleep it is ultimately azhvar's motto to explain that half of our life is

wasted without nAma keertanam.

More learned members can correct me if iam wrong. If anyone can quote the exact

words of Sri PVP it will be very nice.

Thanking you,

Azhwar EmperumAnAr Jeeyer ThiruvadigalE Sharanam

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasyai

Sumithra Varadarajan

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