Prapathi

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Sri:

SrimathE RAmAnujAya nama:

 

Dear Sri Parthasarathy,

 

Excellent,beautiful,wonderful. My small mind could see

certain things only after reading your post. I would be happy if

dEvarIr answers my questions wrt our sampradAyam.

 

(i)In our sampradAyam,is samAshrayaNam itself prapatti? These are all

very subtle topics to grasp(esp prapatti) for me. In my understanding

prapatti is a mental state. Can you please tell in simple words? Your

last passages didn't get into my head clearly. From my own personal

experience I have realized that no matter how much effort I put

nothing works out. This clearly shows that everything happens only if

HE wishes it happen.

 

(ii)From when sARRumuRai started?

 

(iii)Did bhaktAs wear TirumaN prior to RAmAnujA's period? Also my

mother used to tell that RAmAnujA was the one who started it(just

before he undergoes samAshrayaNam and he meets thAyAr and varadar in

the guise of old couple who ask RAmAnujA to fetch water).

 

(iv)On behalf of all devotees,I request you to give commentaries on

NDP. What ever is convenient that suits your time,can be taught. Your

words regarding current generations lacking knowledge in samskrt and

tamil applies to me. One of my favorite pasuram is AmalanAdipirAn and

chant it daily knowing the meaning very...superficially. All I

realize is that though it's concise,it looks like punch lines(essence

of the vEdAs). In simle words TiruppAN AzhwAr concluded saying that

the eyes that had seen Lord Ranganatha will not look at anythingelse.

I am now learning RN and URM through Sri MAV's casette.

 

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam

gita

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Sri:

SrimathE RAmAnujAya nama:

 

Dear Sri Parthasarathy,

 

Thanks for explaining things. I have one silly question.

Can I write "Ramanuja Dasyai" or is it only after I undergo

samAshrayaNam?

 

> No such separate exercise in our Sampradhaya. We have

> submitted ourselves to Acharya;

> Hereafter he will lookafter our Athma yatra.

 

Is it for the same reason we "sEvichify/prostrate" only once?

 

>

> 3. Regarding Prapatti. It is our mental condition in

> accepting Emperuman"s grace and his Further acts in promoting

> it.

>

>

> In this connection, Adiyen will like to quote gist of

> Emperumanar's words. ( This is available In Guruparampara

> Prabhavam, 6000 padi). Prapannan need not worry for his "deha

> yatra' ( day today life). It is karmadheenam.(is according to our

> past karmas.). He need not worrry for his Atma atra ( spiritual

> life) It is DEivadheenam. Once you have submitted yourself to an

> Acharya he will take care of your spiritual life, The desire of

> Prapanna will flourish by the upadesam's

> of Acharya.

 

 

Now I get your point. But still not wrt NammAzhwAr!

 

I have a question regarding rahasya trayam. Not everyone is

fortunate/gifted to have an AchAryA? Who will tell them this

rahasyam? One of my friend wants learn VishNu sahasranAmam,with my

little knowledge(.00000000000000000000000000000000000001%)I tried to

explain to him the greatness of SrimanNarayana. I was browsing my

book and in that I'd my father's visiting card(it's a spiritual card

actually b'coz my father had put rahasya trayam in that)and I gave

this to my friend to chant with faith in NArAyaNA. Am I committing a

sin? But the boy is very sincere.

 

Do you have a copy of 36000ppadi? Where do you live?

 

> Thiruvaimozhi is coming to end and Namazhvar is to enter

> Vaikuntham fully blessed by Emperuman.

> Namazhar wondered as to why Emperuman kept him in samsara for a

> long time.

> So he asks Emperuman the reason for his action.

> Emperuman replied that "You have agreed to my entry in your mind"

> Azhvar is not satisfied His further queries are excerpts as

> avilable in Thiruvaimozhi.

 

I understand that perumAL is the cause and the effect as well. But

why perumAL has to make NammAzhwAr wait for such a long time? Do you

mean to say that NammAzhwAr didn't allow perumAL to enter his

(former's)mind? I'm not getting the essence of this sconversation. Is

it His will when to enter our minds?

 

 

> In short, Emperuman is the real promoter of spiritual

> force in us and we need not do things on our own accord in this

> respect. It may become detrimental to our progress.

 

I clearly see this point. But again as I said in my previous

passage,why did NammAzhwAr have to wait long to reach Him? Is it due

to karmA or somethingelse? In connection with this,in saraNAgati

gadyam,emperumAn says "just b'coz you utterred the dwaya mantram,I do

all this for you" Is PerumAL assuring mOksha just for that? Can you

explain this?(I chant sriranga gadyam daily,other two learning

now,quite long!)

 

 

> Regarding Sattumurai. Adiyen regret, as I am far away from home

> and not in a position to answer without consulting books.

 

It should have come during/after maNavALa mAmunigaL's time,right?

B'coz we say "sri sailEsa". Or certain things were added later?

 

> Wearing of Thiruman. One of the samaskara at the time of

> Samasryana is "Pundaram". Wearing of Thiruman. Sri. Ramanuja

> had his Samasrayana under PeriaNambikal at Madhuranthakam Temple.

> So, it is clear that wearing of Thiruman was in vogue prior to

> Sri.Ramanuja.

 

Thanks for clearing my doubt. Do you know the origin of Azhagar

Tirumalai Madabusi(I'm an ATM on my mother's side)? I want to know

who this original madabusi is. One person told me that it's a title

given to some vamsam and this is mentioned in Sri Valmiki Ramayanam.

 

> 5. Adiyen .... very ordinary person. " A Rasika" Somehow,

> Emperuman is kind enough to shower his Grace on me. Further, at

> present I am away from home. far away

> not in a position to consult authentic records. However, whatever

> possible, Adiyen will definitely do. There are great scholars

> who can undertake the task referred to by you. Anything Adiyen

> enjoy from our granthas, that will be shared among Baghavathas

> without fail.

 

Whatever you know about PerumAL,AzhwAr,pUrvAchAryA's,you can share

that anubhavams with us. Since I wholeheartedly enjoy Upadesa

Rathnamalai,I'll be happy if you can give atleast brief commentary on

that.

 

 

> Happy to know you are enjoying Amalanathipiran, Ramanuja

> Nooranthadhi and Upadesaratnamalai

 

It's all His krpA and the blessings of bhAgavatAs and elderly people

like you. My effort is nothing. I used to chant kOil Tiruvoimozhi

regularly when I was in India and after coming to US,I lost that

touch. But I'm straightening myself again in that direction. I've

made it a point to chant,if not daily,atleast once a week. I'm

ashamed of myself that I don't know a single pasuram of kaliyan with

the exception of "kulam...NArAyaNA ennum nAmam".

 

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam

gita

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SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA

APPAN THIRUVADIGALE SARANAM

 

 

 

Dear Smt. Gita,, Accept my pranam

 

 

Thanks for your sicerity Keep it up. You have put me in 'Dharma

sankatam 'by asking 'silly questions ( from your point) ; but,

inticate questions ( from Adiyen's view point). Adiyen will answer

to the extent possible.

 

1. suffxing ' Ramanujasya dasi: It is according to custom, one

becomes Srivaishnava after being initiated by one qualified

Acharya.But, in the present day situation how far it is possible ?

you yourself can judge.

 

Again our granthas particularly, Srivachanabhooshanam deals in

detail the relation between Acharya and sishya. This kind of

intimacy is possible when only both of them live under the same

roof or near vicinity. But, how far this is possible?

 

Adiyen may point out one more thing. Sri Alavandar is the

Acharya of our great Sri.Ramanuja.BUt, actually Sri Ramanuja was

not able to meet him in person. Atleast Sri.Alavander had the

opportunity of seeing SriRamanuja once and selecting him as his

ward. He made arrangements to bring him in to the stream of

Srivaishnavism. SriRamanuja accepted this position and treated him

as his Acharyan for ever, by mind.

 

So, it will not be wrong to call ourselves Ramanuja dasa/dasi. At

the next opportunity get your self enrolled as srivaishanav under

one qualified Acharya .

 

 

2. 'Sahahtanga Namaskaram'....All the parts of our body touch the

ground when we prostarate before the revered person. This

type of Namaskara is of the highest order and is known as 'Dhandam

samarpithal' in sampradhyic language. Thenacharya Sampradhya

followers, do this only once, no repetition . In the first place,

'Dahndu'.. means a stick, when it is allowed to fall it lays flat

on the ground till it is picked up. It cannot raise itself again.

Further, Emperuman is waiting for the Chetana to fall at his feet

and is immensely pleased. Another namaskara, he may suspect

whether the chethana has ulterior motives of leaving Him after his

wish is granted. So we should not give room for such an

oppurtinity and earn his displeasure. This is the way in which our

elders explain. Anyway, we can accept this explanation without

further question or going deep into arguments. Should we not be

happy if our wishes are considered in the first request itself

?.

 

 

3

question dealing with two aspects. (1) Learning of Vishnu

sahasranama. Good. Let your friend learn it. (2). Reading of

Rahasyatrayas. ... It is not a sin to read Rahasyatra. Even one

reads it with out help, he cannot get or comprehend the complete

meaning of it. Though they are short verses, they contain the

complete Vedhantic Philosophy. In the first place, the learner

should have the aptitude, sufficient basic as well advanced

knowledge to grasp the substance. Further Qualified Acharyas are

required to explain it. Otherwise, the treasure will be twisted,

distorted and will be made to loose its importance. That is why

they are called ' Rahasyas ". If a diamond stone is picked up by a

boy who do not know its value, What its use for him ?

Now a days Ashtaksharamanthram., Dwayam and Sarama slokam are

available in, print, in tape etc., But, We simply repeat it any

number of times. It cannot be called a sin. But, do we derive the

intended benefit out it ?

 

 

4. Adiyen is a resident of Velachery, Chennai. At present Adiyen

is staying with my second son, in Toronto, Canada. Adiyen will

continue to stay here for some more time. How long? At present

Adiyen am not in a position to answer.

 

Regarding 36,000 padi Vyakyanam. Adiyen have the complete set

of Vyakayanams and other important publications on Srivaishnavism,

particularly the publications of Sriman Sudharsanar otherwise

known as Putur Swamy. In fact, Whatever little knowledge Adiyen is

supposed to possess, it is his'Pichai" or 'Prasadam' to me. He

has rendered valuble service to Srivaishnavism.He has published

Poorvacharya's grantham with his commentaries. This willbe helpful

in understanding the text. Especially, his commentaries on

Baghavat Gita With Sri Ramanuja Bhashya is wonderful treatise.

People who can afford should patronize these publications. One

word of CAUTION regarding Baghavat Vishayam commentaries. They are

in Manipravalam Language. Sriman Sudarsanar has answered more

than 1500 questions . Thsese can be read without any difficulty

and will be help to understand our heritage.

 

 

5. Why Perumal made Namazhvar to wait for a long time? Whether his

birth was covered by 'Karma'

 

Here Adiyen will refer to one pasuram of RAN. 41.

 

'MANMISAI YONIKAL THORUMPIRANTHU ENGALMADHAVANE

KANNURA NIRKILUM KAANAKILLA uLAKORKALLEM

ANNAL IRAMANUJAN VANDHU THONRIYAPOZHUTHE

NANNARUM GNAM THALIONDU NARANARKAYEENARE.'

 

Emperuman took Avathars, particularly in Krishnavatarm people

took him as an ordinary person with magical power and did not

recognize him as an avathar of Sriman Narayanan.. So., Emperuman

decided to utilise human resources, such as Azhwars to educate

people, as in the case of capturing animals with animal decoys.

That is why Namazhvar, an amsam of Nityasuri, not covered by laws

of Karama took birth in the world to propagate Thiruvaimozhi.

 

 

Regarding Saranagathi Gathyam. 'Dwayam or Ashtakshara mantram

etc., will definetely help one in getting Moksham. But, Do you

think it as a magic wand to land you in Moksham in the next

second ?. Should we be not ready fully equipped with such an

intense desire to get away from Samsara and to reach Moksha ? So,

utterances of Saranagathi Gathya and for that matter any

otherpractice such as Namasankeerthanam etc., of Sriman

Narayanan will pave the way for journey toward the goal. Mokksha

is assured for those who believe Him with intense desire of

Moksha, nothing but that.

 

 

Regarding Sattumurai. Adiyen have explained my difficulty. Adiyen

do not want to commit with out proper authority.

 

 

Regarding Azhagar Thirumalai Madabusi. : Azhagar... Name of a

person,

Thirumalai.. Name of the place to which the

person belongs Madabhusi (

Family name ) Beyond this Adiyen do not have any knowledge.

Adiyen have heard that Madabusiars belong to good

Srivaishnavite family.

 

 

Regarding Upadesarathinamalai. Sri Prathivathi Bhayankaram

Annankaracharya Swamy has given his commentary to this text.

Adiyen have explained my difficulty already.

 

Adiyen's Prayer...MAY LORD SRIMAN NARAYANAN BLESS YOU WITH

SRIVAISHNAVA SRI.

 

Adiyen Ramanuja dasan T.Parthasarathy.

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Sri:

SrimathE RAmAnujAya nama:

 

Dear Sri Parthasarathy,

 

I consider myself lucky when I see people who answer my

questions patiently. My sincere thanks to you.

 

> So, it will not be wrong to call ourselves Ramanuja dasa/dasi. At

> the next opportunity get your self enrolled as srivaishanav under

> one qualified Acharya .

 

Sure I'll do that.

 

> question dealing with two aspects. (1) Learning of Vishnu

> sahasranama. Good. Let your friend learn it. (2). Reading of

> Rahasyatrayas. ... It is not a sin to read Rahasyatra. Even one

> reads it with out help, he cannot get or comprehend the complete

> meaning of it. Though they are short verses, they contain the

> complete Vedhantic Philosophy. In the first place, the learner

> should have the aptitude, sufficient basic as well advanced

> knowledge to grasp the substance. Further Qualified Acharyas are

> required to explain it. Otherwise, the treasure will be twisted,

 

I totally agree with you. I told my friend that the whole vEdAs are

in compressed form in these three. So he should chant with faith in

Sriman NArAyaNA and also should be learnt under an AchAryA. I also

told him that I myself don't know so many things but learning now. My

friend asked me how to control the mind. So I told him that HE only

can help us,so chant the name of the God. I don't impart any wrong

knowledge be it any subject(this is my second petition). I put a

clause "whatever I know" I 'm sharing.

 

 

> Regarding 36,000 padi Vyakyanam. Adiyen have the complete set

> of Vyakayanams and other important publications on Srivaishnavism,

> particularly the publications of Sriman Sudharsanar otherwise

> known as Putur Swamy. In fact, Whatever little knowledge Adiyen is

> supposed to possess, it is his'Pichai" or 'Prasadam' to me. He

> has rendered valuble service to Srivaishnavism.He has published

> Poorvacharya's grantham with his commentaries. This willbe helpful

 

I have some books by Sri Puthur swamy. Do you have 36000padi in

Toronto or India?

 

I am cutting your passage,and I need more clarification:

 

"Thiruvaimozhi is coming to end and Namazhvar is to enter

Vaikuntham fully blessed by Emperuman.

Namazhar wondered as to why Emperuman kept him in samsara for a

long time.

So he asks Emperuman the reason for his action.

Emperuman replied that "You have agreed to my entry in your mind"

Azhvar is not satisfied His further queries are excerpts as

avilable in Thiruvaimozhi"

 

I am not understanding the statement "you have agreed to my entry in

your mind" in connection with your other statements. Sorry for

pestering you.

 

 

> Regarding Saranagathi Gathyam. 'Dwayam or Ashtakshara mantram

> etc., will definetely help one in getting Moksham. But, Do you

> think it as a magic wand to land you in Moksham in the next

> second ?. Should we be not ready fully equipped with such an

> intense desire to get away from Samsara and to reach Moksha ? So,

 

True,one has to constantly desire to reach Him and get rid of this

samsArA.

 

> Regarding Azhagar Thirumalai Madabusi. : Azhagar... Name of a

> person,

> Thirumalai.. Name of the place to which the person belongs

> Madabhusi ( Family name )

 

All I know is my maternal pUrviham is TirumAlirum sOlai,so I thought

the name Azhagar came from Kallazhagar! Thanks for your AruL katAksham

 

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam

gita

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SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA;

APPAN THIRUVADIGALE SARANAM.

 

 

 

 

DEAR SMT.GITA, ACCEPT MY PRANAM,

 

 

Adiyen have the text and all the vyakyanas of Baghavat

Vishayam (Thiruvaimozhi) in 10 vols.at Velacheri.

 

 

" You agreed for my entry in your mind". This has

relation to the Vyakyanam of Thiruvaimozhi. 10.8.9:

 

Azhvar raises a question in the Pasuram as to why

Emperuman left him earlier in the samsara and blessed him and

integrated himself with Azhvar now

 

The anecdote is in the form of an assumed conversation

between Azhvar and Emperuman..

 

The first answer of Emperuman Is " you agreed for my

entry in your mind" In fact Emperuman did not ask Azhvar's

permission or Azhvar did not resist his entry as could be seen

from Pasuram 1.7.7. The entire conversation is to highlight the

'Nirhethuka krupai' of Emperuman.

For each statement of Emperuman Azhvar replies suitably that it

was because of his grace etc.,

 

In fact Emperuman pervades all chethanas as well

Achethanas, Because of him only every thing functions as such. No

separate entry either physical or mental is meant here. But, for

spiritual advancement He expects the permission or atleast no

opposition or nonavoidance from Chethana.Thereafter, takes care of

the chetana till end.

 

Regarding Azhgar Thirumalai Madabhoosi. Azhagar

Thirumalai may mean Azhagar Koil also.

 

Adiyen will be at service always.

 

Adiyen Ramanuja dasan T.Parthasarathy.