Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 Srimathe RamanujAya namaha Sri Vara Vara munaye namaha Pranams, Today is ThiruvAdirai, monthly thirunakshatram of our beloved acharya Sri Ramanuja. This is month of Adi and in many of the divya desams in India the 10 day thiruvAdi Pooram festival is grandly celebrated now. The festival has special significance in the birth place of goda devi, srivilliputtur and in srirangam, her inlaws place. And in divya desams like thiruvallikeni also these ten days are celebrated specially. Though we miss the enjoyment of the adi poora utsavam sitting in a far of place away from our homeland let us all just have the anubhavams sitting right here. We all know about andal, soodi koduththa nAchiyar and her story. So let us now just see the relation between andal and Ethirajar. When adiyen says relation many of you may wonder how can andal being an azhwar and Sri Ramanuja being born just nearly 1000 years back as an acharya, be related. At this stage adiyen would like to bring to memory the vazhi thirunAmam of andal which says, “Perumbhoodur mAmunikku pinnAnAl vAzhiyE!”. Here andal is referred to as the younger sister of perumbhoodur mAmuni, Sri Ramanuja. How is this possible? Let us just look into the story of Sri Ramanuja. Our beloved acharya went to thirumAliruncholi to have darshan of Azhagar. He started doing mangalAsAsanam to azhagar with Sri andal’s nAchiyar thirumozhi paasurams on thirumAliruncholi perumal. When he recited the 6th pasuram, “ nArunarum pozhil mAlirunchOli nambikku nAn nooru thadAvil vennai vAinErindhu parAvivaiththEn nooru thadA niraindha akkAravadisil sonnEn AruthiruvudaiyAn endru vandhu evai kollungolO?” Sri Ramanuja realized that though andal has vowed to give 100 thadAs of butter and 100 thadAs of akkaravadisal to azhagar if he makes her union with ranganatha possible, after her union with bhagavan she never returned back to do the same. So emperumAnAr decided to do the same on behalf of goda devi. He did the same and then after finishing his mangalAsAsanams on the way to srirangam he visited Srivilliputtur. When the entered the temple, Sri andal came to welcome him and called, “nam koil annanO!”(Is it my elder brother from srirangam?) and from that day Sri ramanujar is regarded as the elder brother of nachiyar. Why did andal select this relation of all relations? That is because brother sister relation is one such blood relation which has a speciality. The brother alone cares for the wishes of the sister and vice versa to the extend no other relation can care. That is why andal selected this relation. EmperumAnAr was also called as “Thiruppavai Jeeyer” due to his high involvement in the arthas of thiruppavai. Though emperumAnAr wrote Bhashyams to gita and the Brahma sutras, he had a special love towards andal’s thiruppavai. Then why didn’t he write a vyakhyanam for it? It is because he himself was a vyakhyanam for thiruppavai. Daily during unjavriththi emperumAnAr used to recite thiruppavai. For Srivaishnavas thiruppavai is under the nithyAnusandhanam and not reserved just for margazhi mAsam. One day when emperumAnAr went to unjavritti and stood in front of his acharyan periya nambi’s thirumAligai with his thiruppavai anusandhanam, periya nambi’s daughter andal came out with rice and opened the door. EmperumAnAr fell into her feet. Andal who was a young girl and who used to call emperumAnAr as Anna was taken aback and hence she ran to tell this to her father. Nambigal came out and asked emperumAnAr, “vundu madagalittran anubhavamO?”(where you reciting the vundu madagalittran pAsuram). For which emperumAnAr replied yes. Such was the understanding between the acharya and shisya. What actually happened was, when EmperumAnAr recited the verses, “kandam kamazhum kuzhali kadai thiravAi” at the same time andal also opened the door so emperuman immersed in the pAsura anubhavam considered andal to be nappinai piratti and fell into her feet. From this day emperumAnAr was called as “Thiruppavai jeeyer”. Such was the closeness between andal and emperumAnAr. Sri thiruvarangaththamudhanAr in his Ramanuja noorthanthadhi says, “ThAzhvondrilla marai thAzhindhu *thalamuzhudum kaliyE AlgindranAl vandaliththavan kAnmin * arangarmowli Soozhgindra mAlaiyai soodhikkoduththaval thollarulAl Vazhgindra vallal* erAmAnusan ennum mAmuniyE” In this kali yugam even the Vedas which never have a fall is illtreated and the kali rules over. But Sri Ramanuja took birth to fight over the kali. He is bestowed with the divine grace of the soodi koduththa nAchiyAr, whose garland the lord ranganatha likes to wear. So in this day of thiruvadirai, during the Adi poora utsavam let us all sing the praise of both our beloved nAchiyAr(who is both an azhvar(only female azhvar) and a nAchiyar) and our beloved acharya emperumAnAr. EmperumAnAr though called as the ponnadi of Maran, Sri Nammazhvar he always had a special soft corner for his sister andal in his mind. That is why in sriperumbudur, andal gets a special attention. During the pagal pattu utsavams in all divya desams andal never accompanies the other alwars but always stays as a thayar. But only in sriperumbudur(in her brother’s place) she is given the special right to take part in the ghosti of the alwars. Ladies are generally not allowed in the ghosti but emperumAnAr who has always been a reformer has reformed this too and even today in sriperumbudur andal is part of the adhyayana utsava ghosti. Andal thiruvadigalE saraNam AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam Adiyen Ramanuja Dasyai Sumithra Varadarajan Health - Feel better, live better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha Dear Smt. Varadarajan: Thank you for your wonderful write up on our beloved emperumAnAr and godha pirATTi. It eloquently brings out the close association extant (nerungiya sambandham) between Swamy and gOdhA pirATTi. I have a minor bone to pick in this article though :-) > ramanuja, sumithra varadarajan <sumivaradan> wrote: > So in this day of thiruvadirai, during the Adi poora utsavam let us > all sing the praise of both our beloved nAchiyAr(who is both an > azhvar(only female azhvar) and a nAchiyar) and our beloved acharya > emperumAnAr. Sri Velukkudi varadachar swamy would say that ours is the only sampradAyam which provides multifarious paths to reaching perumAL and mOksham, and in that step wise progression, the path to perumAL's ugappu is represented in terms of bhakti -- prapatti - sharaNagathi - AchArya abhimAnam (thiruvaDigaL) The essence of kaNNinuN siruthAmbu and thiruppAvai is the importance of charama parva nishTA (the ultimate vazhi to perumAL) as exemplified by the spirit of swamy madhura kavi AzhwAr and AnDAL's ariLiccheyals. It is a spirit that holds bhAgavatha sEshatvam as the ultimate upAyam and purushArtham, to getting to perumAL. It is in this context that swAmy maNavALa mAmunigaL identifies only ten azhwars (mudhal AzhwArgaL) in upadEsa rathnamAlai, only because the ten azhwArs pursued bhagath sEshatvam and bhagavath kainkaryam as the chosen vazhi, where as both madhura kavi Azhwar and AnDAL (mEleyAr seyvanagaL) held bhAgavatha sEshatvam to be superior to bhagavath sEshatvam. And that is why, within the orthodoxy of srI vaishNavam, there are only ten Azhwars. Just because swamy madhura kavi or AnDAL are not amongst the ten in no way lessens their standing. In a sense, swamy maNavALa mAmunigaL's thiru uLLam would probably be offended, because he held them at a paDI (step) above that of even the mudhal AzhwArs. In the vaDakalai sampradAyam, somehow, this essential (and critical) difference (mEnmai) of charama parva nishTA has been over looked, and the Azhwars have been numbered as twelve. Further, several then- Acharya upanyasakas, just to keep with the times, tend to use the ten or twelve azhwars number depending on the audience and the occasion. However, in order to lend credence and respect to something every sri vaishNava chants every day (poyyilAdha maNavALA mAmuni pundhi vAzhi pugazh vAzhi vAzhiyE), it is appropriate, at least within the orthodoxy of our sampradAyam, to not include AnDAL or madhura kavi Azhwar amongst list of Azhwars (who will always be only ten) There is a separate (thani siRappu) state of exaltedness to madhura kavi Azhwar and soodikkodutha nAcchiyAr, one that captures the essential spirit and soulabhyam of srI vaishNava siddhAntham. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, sridhar ramanuja, sumithra varadarajan <sumivaradan> wrote: > > Sri Parthasarathi thunai > > Srimathe RamanujAya namaha > > Sri Vara Vara munaye namaha > > > > Pranams, > > > > Today is ThiruvAdirai, monthly thirunakshatram of our beloved acharya Sri Ramanuja. This is month of Adi and in many of the divya desams in India the 10 day thiruvAdi Pooram festival is grandly celebrated now. The festival has special significance in the birth place of goda devi, srivilliputtur and in srirangam, her inlaws place. And in divya desams like thiruvallikeni also these ten days are celebrated specially. Though we miss the enjoyment of the adi poora utsavam sitting in a far of place away from our homeland let us all just have the anubhavams sitting right here. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 Sri Parthasarathi thunai Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Dear Sri Sridhar, Adiyen accepts your valuable point whole heartedly. According to our mAmunigal and our sampradayam Sri Nachiyar and Madurakavigal due have a special place and also in all our hearts. pataps wrote:srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha Dear Smt. Varadarajan: Thank you for your wonderful write up on our beloved emperumAnAr and godha pirATTi. It eloquently brings out the close association extant (nerungiya sambandham) between Swamy and gOdhA pirATTi. I have a minor bone to pick in this article though :-) > ramanuja, sumithra varadarajan <sumivaradan> wrote: > So in this day of thiruvadirai, during the Adi poora utsavam let us > all sing the praise of both our beloved nAchiyAr(who is both an > azhvar(only female azhvar) and a nAchiyar) and our beloved acharya > emperumAnAr. Sri Velukkudi varadachar swamy would say that ours is the only sampradAyam which provides multifarious paths to reaching perumAL and mOksham, and in that step wise progression, the path to perumAL's ugappu is represented in terms of bhakti -- prapatti - sharaNagathi - AchArya abhimAnam (thiruvaDigaL) The essence of kaNNinuN siruthAmbu and thiruppAvai is the importance of charama parva nishTA (the ultimate vazhi to perumAL) as exemplified by the spirit of swamy madhura kavi AzhwAr and AnDAL's ariLiccheyals. It is a spirit that holds bhAgavatha sEshatvam as the ultimate upAyam and purushArtham, to getting to perumAL. It is in this context that swAmy maNavALa mAmunigaL identifies only ten azhwars (mudhal AzhwArgaL) in upadEsa rathnamAlai, only because the ten azhwArs pursued bhagath sEshatvam and bhagavath kainkaryam as the chosen vazhi, where as both madhura kavi Azhwar and AnDAL (mEleyAr seyvanagaL) held bhAgavatha sEshatvam to be superior to bhagavath sEshatvam. And that is why, within the orthodoxy of srI vaishNavam, there are only ten Azhwars. Just because swamy madhura kavi or AnDAL are not amongst the ten in no way lessens their standing. In a sense, swamy maNavALa mAmunigaL's thiru uLLam would probably be offended, because he held them at a paDI (step) above that of even the mudhal AzhwArs. In the vaDakalai sampradAyam, somehow, this essential (and critical) difference (mEnmai) of charama parva nishTA has been over looked, and the Azhwars have been numbered as twelve. Further, several then- Acharya upanyasakas, just to keep with the times, tend to use the ten or twelve azhwars number depending on the audience and the occasion. However, in order to lend credence and respect to something every sri vaishNava chants every day (poyyilAdha maNavALA mAmuni pundhi vAzhi pugazh vAzhi vAzhiyE), it is appropriate, at least within the orthodoxy of our sampradAyam, to not include AnDAL or madhura kavi Azhwar amongst list of Azhwars (who will always be only ten) There is a separate (thani siRappu) state of exaltedness to madhura kavi Azhwar and soodikkodutha nAcchiyAr, one that captures the essential spirit and soulabhyam of srI vaishNava siddhAntham. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, sridhar ramanuja, sumithra varadarajan <sumivaradan> wrote: > > Sri Parthasarathi thunai > > Srimathe RamanujAya namaha > > Sri Vara Vara munaye namaha > > > > Pranams, > > > > Today is ThiruvAdirai, monthly thirunakshatram of our beloved acharya Sri Ramanuja. This is month of Adi and in many of the divya desams in India the 10 day thiruvAdi Pooram festival is grandly celebrated now. The festival has special significance in the birth place of goda devi, srivilliputtur and in srirangam, her inlaws place. And in divya desams like thiruvallikeni also these ten days are celebrated specially. Though we miss the enjoyment of the adi poora utsavam sitting in a far of place away from our homeland let us all just have the anubhavams sitting right here. > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Azhwar emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigalE saraNam Adiyen Ramanuja Dasyai Sumithra Varadarajan HotJobs, a service - Search Thousands of New Jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear Sridhar, I need clarification regarding the no. of AzhwArs. Is it not 11 with the exception of Madhurakavi who sang on NammAzhwAr unlike the rest who sang on PerumAL. I can understand Madhurakavi's being bhAgavatha sESatvam but not ANdAL's. ANdAL's is bhagavath sESatvam too. I'm not convinced by your statement of ANdAL's bhAgavath sESatvam. Relation of Madhurakavi-NammAzhwAr-PerumAL is parallel to the relation of Satrugna-Bharata-SriRama AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam nappinnai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: Dear Smt Nappinnai, Sriman Sridhar is correct that Azhvars are considered as ten in our sampradhayam. Andal is so unique that she comes under a separate category all together. Sri Manavala Mamunigal clearly considers Azhvars as only ten, as seen in Upadesa Ratthinamalai. Adiyen's interpretation, which is subject to correction, is this: Azhvars are jIvas sent by Sriman Narayana to correct us and put us in the right path to reaching Him ("mirugaththaip pidikka mirugaththai anuppuvAraip pOla ..."). Madhurakavi Azhvar immersed in acharya bhakti as opposed to Azhvars immersed in His bhakti comes under a different class. Andal on the other hand is not a jIva sent to help us. She is the amsam of pirAtti, who not satisfied with purushakaram to help us when we get close to Him, came down to help us here in this world ("kunRAtha vAzhvAna vaikuntha vAn bOgan thannai ikazhnthu"). It is one thing for Him to descend and walk amongst us. It was another for pirAtti to leave Him and come down to help us. Her apAra kAruNyam is unmatched. Our acharyas also consider that her role is unparalleled and that she is unique from the Azhvars. Sri Periyavaccan Pillai in his avatharikai for Thiruppavai notes that the difference between jIvas and Rishis is that between an atom and a mountain; so it is between Rishis and Azhvars; so it is between Azhvars and Periyazhvar; so it is between Periyazhvar and Andal. As to bhAgavata sEshatvam shown by Andal, our pUrvacharyas have shown it in several places in Thiruppavai in their vyAkhyanams. Sure, Andal talks about bhagavat sEshatvam, but her bhAgavata sEshatvam is also unmatched - it would be a topic in itself and it would be great if we can get a scholar to talk to us about it someday. Azhvar Emperumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan TCA Venkatesan http://www.acharya.org --- vaidhehi_nc <nappinnai_nc wrote: > Sri: > Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: > > Dear Sridhar, > I need clarification regarding the no. of > AzhwArs. Is it > not 11 with the exception of Madhurakavi who sang on > NammAzhwAr > unlike the rest who sang on PerumAL. I can understand > Madhurakavi's > being bhAgavatha sESatvam but not ANdAL's. ANdAL's is > bhagavath > sESatvam too. I'm not convinced by your statement of > ANdAL's > bhAgavath sESatvam. > > Relation of Madhurakavi-NammAzhwAr-PerumAL is parallel to > the > relation of Satrugna-Bharata-SriRama > > AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam > nappinnai HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha srImadh varavara munayE namaha --- TCA Venkatesan <vtca wrote: > Andal on the other hand > is not a jIva sent to help us. She is the amsam of > pirAtti, who not satisfied with purushakaram to help > us when we get close to Him, came down to help us > here > in this world ("kunRAtha vAzhvAna vaikuntha vAn > bOgan > thannai ikazhnthu"). > > It is one thing for Him to descend and walk amongst > us. > It was another for pirAtti to leave Him and come > down > to help us. Her apAra kAruNyam is unmatched. Very true Sri Venkatesan. That is why she was able to condense all the vEdAs in just 30 verses (what a wonderful explanation given by you for 'muppadhum') and that is why Her thiruppAvai is considered the seed for all the vEdAs. Who else other than our dear pirAtti can do this. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 Dear Sri .Sridhar Swamy Adiyen would like to request you for a clarification on the following concept of diff between prapatty and Saranagathy You mentioned that > Sri Velukkudi varadachar swamy would say that ours is the only > sampradAyam which provides multifarious paths to reaching perumAL and > mOksham, and in that step wise progression, the path to perumAL's > ugappu is represented in terms of bhakti -- prapatti - sharaNagathi - > AchArya abhimAnam (thiruvaDigaL) > In this sequence Adiyen wish to know the diff between Prapatty and Sarnagathy, though adiyen can understand the diff , in a general way , in this context its better if you could clear me how these 2 differs. On what I heard about the words of Pillayloka chariar that "Bhakthyil asakthanukku prapatty , prapattyil asakthanukku ithu" where swamy refers "ithu" as Acharya Abimanam , now I am reading another link with Saranagathy, so Adiyen wish to request you to clarify this context meaning. Best Regards Guna Ph 408 588 6672 (W) guna_venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear Nappinnai: Sorry about the delayed response. Both Acharyan and thAyAr (as Sri Venkateshan eloquently described in an earlier message) have a very important role in our sampradAyam, i.e., purushakAratvam. Swamy madhura kavi and godha piRATTi underscore the role of purushakArathvam in accessing perumAL's thiruvaDi. Azhwars sang thiruppaLLiyazhicchi to perumAL, vishwamitra did so for chakravarthitthirumagan, only AnDAL has the thani sirappu (lone glory) that she sang thiruppaLLiyazhicchi to Bhagavathas (thiruppAvai 6-15) before she begins to access vAnOrgaL and then talks to KrishNa. In doing so, she highlights the role, importance of bhAgavathas, Acharyan in purusing perumAL's feet (there is so much material on this issue by our Acharyas, swamy PVP et al, that we will need a life time just to enjoy the wonderment that our Acharyas feel about thAyAr, AnDAL's siRappu). In any case, the point I was making was not about examining all these issues. That there is an inherent need to accept the word of swamy mAmunigaL, because, after all, he (and no one else) is perumAL's acharyan. When swamy maNavALa mAmunigaL counts azhwars as ten, there is really very little need for discussion (or justification) beyond that. aDiyEn yatheendra pravaNa dAsan, sridhar ramanuja, "vaidhehi_nc" <nappinnai_nc> wrote: > Sri: > Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: > > Dear Sridhar, > I need clarification regarding the no. of AzhwArs. Is it > not 11 with the exception of Madhurakavi who sang on NammAzhwAr > unlike the rest who sang on PerumAL. I can understand Madhurakavi's > being bhAgavatha sESatvam but not ANdAL's. ANdAL's is bhagavath > sESatvam too. I'm not convinced by your statement of ANdAL's > bhAgavath sESatvam. > > Relation of Madhurakavi-NammAzhwAr-PerumAL is parallel to the > relation of Satrugna-Bharata-SriRama > > AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam > nappinnai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2002 Report Share Posted August 17, 2002 srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha Dear Sri GuNA swAmin: Though Sri vELukkuDI varadAchar swamy, in an upanyasam on visishTadwaitha siddhantham (available on Chakrika audio) does explicitly mention sharaNagathy as a separate act, different from prapathi and bhakti, as a means to achieving ugappu in perumAL's thiru uLLam, I am not aware of an explicit difference in the meanings for the two terms. The reason I mentioned it is because I did not want my ignorance to be a basis to mis-represent varadAchar swAmy's words. tvam Eva upAya bhoothO mE bhava ithi prArthanA mathihi sharaNAgathihi is sharaNAgathi by definition. Meaning we ask perumAL to be our vazhi or upAyam, because of our swaroopam (Akinchanyam, ananyArha sEshatvam, ananya gatitvam). Prapatti also means unconditional surrender at perumAL's lotus feet. On another note, since Swamy piLLai lOkAchAryAr does not mention sharaNagathy (bhakthiyil ashakthi - prapathiyil ashakthi - AchAryan thiruvADigaL) explicitly, I would think that they are equivalent. I will be out of the country for a while, but I am sure someone knowledgeable on siddhAntham will be able to shed some light on this. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, sridhar ramanuja, "Guna Venkat" <guna_venkat@e...> wrote: > Dear Sri .Sridhar Swamy > Adiyen would like to request you for a clarification on the following > concept of diff between prapatty and Saranagathy > > > You mentioned that > > > Sri Velukkudi varadachar swamy would say that ours is the only > > sampradAyam which provides multifarious paths to reaching perumAL and > > mOksham, and in that step wise progression, the path to perumAL's > > ugappu is represented in terms of bhakti -- prapatti - sharaNagathi - > > AchArya abhimAnam (thiruvaDigaL) > > > > In this sequence Adiyen wish to know the diff between Prapatty and > Sarnagathy, though adiyen can understand the diff , in a general way , in > this context its better if you could clear me how these 2 differs. > > On what I heard about the words of Pillayloka chariar that "Bhakthyil > asakthanukku prapatty , prapattyil asakthanukku ithu" where swamy refers > "ithu" as Acharya Abimanam , now I am reading another link with Saranagathy, > so Adiyen wish to request you to clarify this context meaning. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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