Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear bhaktas, PerumAL(LakshminAth)is the default AchAryA. After reading Smt Sumitra's reply,I would like to briefly say the two views (srirangam and kanchi acharyas)and go directly to MM's view on carama slOkam,and AchArya abhimAnam. I request Sri Tirunarayanan Parthasarathy and other devotees to pay attention and see whether I'm truly expressing the views(in english)of PiLLai lOkAchAryA and MaNavALa mAmunigaL. The one community under one God disagreed on the issues of Divine Grace and also prapatti. Whether or not prapatti is to be called an "upAya" is a question that plays a central role in the dispute between Srirangam and kAnchi achAryAs Srirangam AchAryAs It is contrary to the soul's true nature of dependence to perform any act for his own salvation and infact it's an affront to the Lord's unlimited autonomy if He can not save the soul out of His own will and power but must depend on some frail/futile action on the soul's part to carry out His aim. MM argues that prapatti is not to be seen as something that forces,wins or earns the Lord's grace. On the contrary,it's the Lord's Gracious will and overwhelming efforts (through teaching,avatArAs etc)that prompt the soul to surrender to Him. So,God is to be considered as the sole means for salvation and prapatti as an effect of His Grace without any instrumental efficacy of its own. KAnchi AchAryAs Vedanta Desika considers that it's proper for the soul to perform the appropriate upAyA which the Lord has enjoined for his salvation using the dependent agency and limited autonomy which the Lord has granted him. If the Lord chose to save some souls and not others,without regard to the code of conduct and prescriptions of upAyAs which He has laid down in the sAstrAs,it would render meaningless and subject the Lord to the charge of cruelty and partiality. Desika affirms that the Lord is the ultimate upAya for salvation but the soul's performance of bhakti/prapatti must be seen as having some instrumental efficacy/upAyatva. Examples for MM's view: 1)Tirumazhisai (2)Draupadi (3)RavaNa (4)Dasaratha (1)In the case of Tirumazhisai,when he was relaxing in front of a brAhmaNa's house,the brAhmanAs who were chanting yajur suddenly stopped chanting without realizing the greatness of Tirumazhisai and also thinking that he belonged to the low class. But Tirumazhisai realized it and started to leave. The brAhmaNas, who wanted to resume their chanting,forgot(due to ahankAram) and Tirumzhisai reminded them through "sign" language. (2)Draupadi had too much "self" confidence that she could save her own chastity without the help of external agency(svarUpa ajnyAnam). Time is running out and fortunately she realized(again thro' His grace only) what was in between her and the Lord in coming to her rescue. Her "EGO associated with self-effort". (3)Why SriRama didn't grant permission when RAvaNA wanted to withdraw? The latter was still holding the bow in his hand. The bow was interfering. It's not because of RAvaNA's act(RAvaNA dropped the bow) that Rama let him go but for the "bow" itself. (4)DasarathA was clinging to the "vow" he had promised and not to dishonour the "vow" instead of clinging to Rama Himself who is DharmA incarnate. It's precisely for these reasons,PiLLai lOkAchAryA and ManavALa mAmunigaL says that all these sAstrA(sruti,smrti etc)which assumes particular nature and form which is contrary to the soul's true nature of dependence. Ramanuja's time period was different and it was dominated by brahmins. Ramanuja's main aim was to refute advaitic philosophy,so he kept silent about azhwars in his samskrt works. Does that mean R didn't know about AzhwArs works as per some article in Saptagiri? Some westerners who do research in SrivaisNava philosophy question the veracity of gaDyatraya. They strongly believe that it couldn't have been composed by Ramanuja. Why Ramanuja called PiLLAn as his jnyAna/mAnasa putra? PiLLAn's ST will come handy to prove that "no one,other than Ramanuja could dare to compose a poetry in the form of jet speed,non-stop emotional prose". Does the mother depend on the baby's effort in the former taking care of the latter? NO. The mother considers as her sole responsibility to take care of the baby and the baby's effort doesn't matter to her at all. The next post is on carama slOkam as per PiLLai LOkAchAryA and MaNvALa mAmunigaL. AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam nappinnai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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