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Sri

SrimathE ramanujaya namaha

Namah SarvEbhya

 

Dear Smt.Napinnai,

 

Addition to my last mail.

 

You wrote:

 

>The two forms of the Deity that Ramanuja **doesn't mention** in the

>section of the SBh,where he defends the orthodoxy of pAncharAtric

>system,are the "Inner Controller(antaryAmi)" and "Consecrated Image

>(archavatAra)". There are couple of reasons for this! Ramanuja

>assigns the same function to both the vyUha and vibhava forms(God

>assumes to enable His creatures to reach Him). All these forms have

>their unique qualities but in archAvatAra,you find all the

>qualities.

>This is one of the main theme of Ramanuja's philosophy(the

>source/cause producing the product/effect leaves the

>source "unchanged"). You don't see soulabhyam in "para" because he

>is

>inaccessible! You can refer to BG verses. The paratva and saulabhya

>are two extreme qualities(that's the beauty of R's theory!)

 

The cause-effect analogy does not work here. One should and only use

the tarka autorised as a vedAngam. If you go through the pancharatra

samhitais, you will come across how the archAvataram is defined.

 

For simplicity, archavataram is the sudhha sattvam of lord plus

prakriti. The idol itself is subject to laws of prakriti. Giving a

simple analogy, one salutes the flag in symbolic salute to the nation

and not the nation itself as the flag. There is a difference here.

This analogy is given in Srimad Rahasyatrayasaarabodhini.

 

You have not dwelled upon how an archa-avatAram is defined and the

qualities it possess.

 

>From where did you get the defn of "archAvatAra" because Ramanuja

>doesn't talk about it in SriBhASya. This leaves room for people who

>do research in SriVaishNavism to ponder over Ramanuja's thoughts(why

 

>he did/didn't)! Can you please quote the exact passage/the sUtra no

>(so that I can cross check)?

 

Pancharatra Samhitais. Specifically the Jayakhya Samhita and the

Lakshmi Tantra. Will post a complete reference soon.

 

It is very obvious that Archaya Hrudayam and Srivachana Bhushanam

will not go against the Pancharatra Agama. I am not well versed in AH

and SVB. But, understanding contradictory ideas potrayed by the two

sri sookthis and the agama is not in good light.

 

In my next email I will write in detail quoting only from the

Pancharatra Agama on the definition of an ArchAvataram. I reiterate

my point that all the gunas of perumAl are not present in the

archAvataram. I can provide pramAnam for this from the pancharatra

agamam.

 

BTW, the Brahma Sutrams criticize the pancharatra agamam. (This is

the original Brahma Sutrams of Badarayana). Swami Alavandar and Swami

Desikan have exclusively dealt with this apparent contradiction. The

nature of that topic is too technical for us to understand without

undergoing traditional kalakshEpam.

 

Regards,

 

Adiyen nigamAntha mahadesika daasan,

 

Malolan Cadambi

nigama vachasAm moulimandAra mAlAm!!!!

 

 

 

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