Acharya Hrudhayam - Response to Sri Cadambi's Qs.

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SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA

APPAN THIRUVADIGALE SARANAM

 

Dear Malolan Cadambi Accept my pranam.

 

You seem to raise objections based on “Agamas” Does your objection relate to

1. The Moorthy conscreated by “Agamas “ should have that quality only OR

2 that Moorthy should not have any other quality other than that sanctioned by

the ‘Agama” even if the devotee wishes that the lord possess that quality.

 

Would you consider ‘Sri Rangaraja sthavam as an authority?

In that case kindly refer to sloka 2.74

“AASTHAM THE…..

 

…………….thava thathas seelath jadibhooyathe”.

 

Adiyen am giving its meaning only for easy understanding.

“ Oh! Renganatha! There is no limit for your gunas. Likewise there is no limit

for the Avathar expressing such gunas.Apart from this, you are present in

(Archavathara roopa) in temples,houses and ashramas for worship.You are present

in all forms as they desire to pardon their errors and you are bound by their

love. Devotees are engrossed in your “souseelyam”

 

Is it not clear that Lord assumes the form, gunas which devotees desire? You

have shown Jithendra Stotram. It also confirms that Lord forms himself as the

devotee desire?

 

Is this valid if they are sanctioned by Agamas only?

 

Namazhvar, our Kulapathi (as Alavandar has described ) has sung the divine

songs Thiruvaimozhi which is accepted as authority in Srivaishnava sampradhya.

Did he have the sanction of Pancharatra Agama? Right from Sriman Nathamunikal

all acharyas have followed him. If he has found some qualities in some

Archavatharas should it have the sanction of Agamas?

 

Let us come to the point. :

First the National Flag. It is a piece of cloth. The citizen out of love,

respect and regard gives the respect to it. It is not necessary that he should

know the rules about the flowing of it. His respect is spontaneous

 

In modern days there are many temples which do not confirm strictly to ‘Agamas”

yet people attend to these temple to worship lord out of love

Do you mean to say the worship done there is a waste?.

 

One incident is attributed in Sri.Ramanuja’s life . While he was going rounds

in Srirangam, he saw some boys playing. They informed him that they are playing

the game of “worship in Srirangam temple.” He was shown a sketch as Lord

Renganatha and was offered a heap of sand as “Prasadam”. Sri. Ramnuja

prostrated immediately and accepted the prasadam. It is spontaneous act. Does

this require any sanction?

 

We have 13 temples in Kerala sung by Azhvars. The rules and regulations of

Namboodharis govern them all. Yet, we visit these temples.

Is the worship in these temples are correct?

 

The Agamas are meant for the construction, maintainance and the mode of worship

in temples. It is a technical Manual. It does not bind the devotees.

 

They worship the moorthy and express their love and devotions.

There is no rule obstructing this.

 

Thirupanazhvar was carried over the shoulder of Loka saranga Munikal to worship

Lord Renganatha. He has sung “Amalanathipiran..”Sri. Vedhantha desika has

written “Munivahana Bhogam”.Does this enjoyment and worship require the

sanction of Agamas?

 

‘THIRUVUDAI MANNARAI KAANIL THIRUMALAI KANDEN’ TVM.4.4.7

This is not a mistaken identity. The mind of Namazhvar is always occupied by

the Emperuman and his Kalyana gunakal .He might not have known that there is

an ‘Agama” by which he should worship. Yet his pasurangals are accepted as

authority in our Sampradhya. Azhakia manavala perumal Nayanar has highlighted

some of the gunas enjoyed by NAMAZHVAR in some Divya desankal in sutras 159 to

186 of Acharya Hrudhayam

 

It is upto one who has faith in our sampradhya to accept it or leave it. The

enjoyment of Namazhvar and the exhibition of the same by Azhakia manavala

nayanar is a treat for those who wants to enjoy it. Adiyen feel that no Agamic

sanction is required for this.

Sri. Padmanabhan desires to mail his post. If you want to enjoy it ,WELCOME.

 

One more incident in Ramanuja’s life is worth quoting.

 

One Uyyakondar argued with Ramanuja and lost his case.

He said that he was convinced of Ramanuja’s point; but he had no taste for it

( Srivaishnavam.) Thereupon Ramanuja commented “You are a man of know ledge

(vidwan), so agreed to the points .but, you have no grace of Emperuman. That

is why you do not have taste. It is your fate.”

 

Lastly, You have not done justice to sloka 4.11 of Bhagavat Gita.

Sri. Puttur swamy has done a great job of writing a commentary to it(BG) Sri

Ramanuja Bhashya where in he has devoted almost 13 pages for this sloka.. He

has established that this sloka is meant for ‘Archavathara”. You may go through

it. If you still disagree, you take up correspondence with him and let Adiyen

know the results.

 

Adiyen Ramanuja dasan. T.Parthasarathy.

 

[From Moderator: We have received a flood of mails re. the issue

of absence of guNa poorthi in archA as per the Agamas, as postulated by

Sri Cadambi, but since the topic itself is not related to Acharya Hrudayam.

Let us stop with this point and get on with enjoying Acharya Hrudayam]

[Without some formal training on Thiruvaimozhi & Acharya Hrudayam, it may be

useful to not initiate such orthogonal discussions]