Digest Number 408

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Dear Fellow Srivaishnavas,

On the subject of other dieties, all the comments

posted are unexceptionable. I accept them, as they are

founded on teachings of acharyas.

There are, however, some points I want to make. It is

well known that Vinayaka is consecrated in many

Divyadaesams. I can readily refer to Sri

Varadarajaswamy temple at Kanchi and Sri

Vijayaraghavaswamy temple at Thirupputkuzhi near

Kanchi[right at the entry Gopuram].

In Thirukkottiyur[hallowed by Sri Ramanuja's open

declaration of Rahasyas], there is a Siva temple right

inside the precincts, in the same way as Vishnu

temples are within Siva temples.

Construction of temples dedicated to Siva did not seem

to have been deplored as evident from Thirumangai

Azhwar's pasuram:

Irukkilangu tiru mozhi vaai endol eesarkku

Ezhil maadam ezhubadu seidu ulagam aanda

Tirukkulattu valacchozhan sernda koil

Tirunaraiyoor manimaadam sermingale

Incidentally, Eesan is the generic term used by

Azhwars to refer to Siva. In my younger days, Eeswaran

koil was the vogue word among Sri Vaishnavas to refer

to Siva temple.In Sanskrit,Iswara is a term denoting

God. Folk expressions offer a clue to the subconscious

psyche. Perhaps, our ancestors did not relegate Siva

to the status of a minor diety.

Till recently, Samayapuam Mariamman temple was part of

Sri Ranganatha Devasthanam and and I have heard from

knowledgeable people that honours used to go from

Srirangam. In Kancheepuram, there is a Velathamman

temple to which contributions used to be sent from Sri

Varadaraja Swamy temple in the past, as told my

grandmother in 1950's.

Adiyen,TCAsrinivasaramanujan.

 

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> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

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> There are 23 messages in this issue.

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> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Question about manu ?

> Kiran Kumar Indukuri

> <indkirru

> 2. Darshan at Sholingar

> Srinivasaramanujan TCA

> <tcasr

> 3. thiruppavai 25

> "Padmanabhan" <aazhwar

> 4. Mumukshuppadi - 111

> "vtca <vtca"

> <vtca

> 5. We can achieve nothing; God will achieve

> all things

> "tiruvarankattucelvanaikamural

> <tiruvarankattucelvanaikamural"

> <tiruvarankattucelvanaikamural

> 6. vishayap prAvaNyam -Part I

> "Padmanabhan" <aazhwar

> 7. TiruvAymozhi & Bhagavad Gita

> "vaidhehi_nc

> <nappinnai_nc" <nappinnai_nc

> 8. Indignation at sholingur: Sharing other

> good experiences

> Mukund Srinivasan <msmn1

> 9. Gaganagiri Muni guru paramparA prabhAvam-6

> Varadarajan Sourirajan

> <varadarajan_tcs

> 10. Gaganagiri Muni guru paramparA prabhAvam-7

> Varadarajan Sourirajan

> <varadarajan_tcs

> 11. Thiruppavai 26

> "Padmanabhan" <aazhwar

> 12. ANdAL's anya devata worship

> "vaidhehi_nc

> <nappinnai_nc" <nappinnai_nc

> 13. Devatantara bhajanam

> Srinivasaramanujan TCA

> <tcasr

> 14. Andal's reference to Kamadeva

> "realvaishnav <danp"

> <danp

> 15. Re: Andal's reference to Kamadeva

> "vaidhehi_nc

> <nappinnai_nc" <nappinnai_nc

> 16. Re: Andal's reference to Kamadeva

> TCA Venkatesan <vtca

> 17. Re: Devatantara bhajanam

> TCA Venkatesan <vtca

> 18. Re: Devatantara bhajanam

> "vaidhehi_nc

> <nappinnai_nc" <nappinnai_nc

> 19. Mumukshuppadi - 112

> "vtca <vtca"

> <vtca

> 20. Correction of Pasuram

> Srinivasaramanujan TCA

> <tcasr

> 21. Jan 11 to 17: Bhagawad Geetha (Eng),

> Thiruppavai (Acharya Prama) (Tam), Santhai

> Pattangi <danp

> 22. RE: Re: Devatantara bhajanam

> "Gunaseelan V" <gunav

> 23. Re: Andal's reference to Kamadeva

> TCA Venkatesan <vtca

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> Message: 1

> Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:53:26 +0000 (GMT)

> Kiran Kumar Indukuri <indkirru

> Question about manu ?

>

> Jai Srimannarayana!!

> My Namaskarams to all the members!

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I have some suggestions about reform in Hindu

> society.

> Vedic culture preaches "vasudeva kutumbakam " Or

> World

> is one family.

>

> But sadly, discrimination based on caste has

> creeped

> into Hindu society. The foundation for all the caste

> based discrimination, as far as I know, is based on

> manu Dharmasastra which forbids the so-called lower

> caste people from reading Vedas.

>

> So I would like to suggest to the Respected Chinna

> Jeeyar Swamiji, to take initiative for internal

> reform

> in the Hindu society which has plagued us in the

> last

> thousand years.

>

> In fact, His Holiness Poojyasri Jayendra Saraswati

> Swamigal of Kãnchi Kãmakoti Peetham has commented on

> the irrelevance of Manu Smirthi in public

> interviews.

>

> My Question to Swamiji is: Do you accept Manu

> Dhramasastra or Reject it?

>

> Please correct me if was wrong in my statements.

>

> My Respects,

> Kiran

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> Message: 2

> Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:14:05 -0800 (PST)

> Srinivasaramanujan TCA <tcasr

> Darshan at Sholingar

>

> Sub: Darshan at Sholingar

> The experience of Sri Suresh Rajagopalan is very

> unpleasant. I had similar experience with the

> Archakas

> in two of my three recent worships at the Kshetra.

> I have had similar experiences of indifference and

> lack of dedication on the part of Archakas in other

> holy places.

> One reason is that their job has become a drudgery

> owing to its repetitive nature. Except for the very

> committed few, the rituals have become a

> rigmarole.Preference to devotees who pay money or

> who

> have influence has spiled the sanctitity of most

> shrines. We can help by not getting out of turn

> darshan by giving money or using influence.

> Tirumangai Azhwar, when he did not get Darshan at

> Tiru

> Idavendai[now known as Thiruvidandai near

> Mahabalipuram] went away to Mahabalipuram, where

> Idavendai emberuman gave him Darshan. Att Tiru

> Indalur, when he did not get Darshan, he said,

> Vaasivalleer Indalooreer vaazhnde pom neere.

> Maybe the Archakas take Nammazhwar's abjuration,

> Kaatenmin nummuru en uyirkku adu kaalane.

> There is one thing which we should ponder. In many

> temples, only Brahmins get preference in overt or

> covert ways. The others, unless they have money or

> influence,generally get short shrift. This is

> causing

> great resentment. Unless genuine grievances are

> redressed, temple worship, which is one of the five

> methods of contemplation of the Divine, may suffer.

>

> Regards,TCASrinivasaramanujan

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> Message: 3

> Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:21:18 +0530

> "Padmanabhan" <aazhwar

> thiruppavai 25

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> varuthamum

> thErndhu magizhndhu

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> 'oruthi maganAi' pAsuram ends with the term

> 'varuthamum thErndu magizhndhu'. The removal of all

> the sufferings and ultimate happiness. When one's

> sufferings are destroyed completely, enjoyment and

> happiness automatically follows. Then what is the

> need for AndAL's two exprssions varutham thEral and

> magizhal.

>

> The release from cycle of births and the Lord's

> kainkaryam is indicated here. When the cycle of

> births is removed the soul attains release from the

> bondage. This is also a form of salvation.

> kaivalyam. The soul enjoys itself. However,is it the

> ultimate enjoyment? No. Even in the process of

> removal of this dhukkam-pains-the happiness is

> attained is what is expressed here.

>

> The commentaries are incisive in this regard.The

> commentary runs like this " kEvalaraip pOlE Dhuka

> nivruthi mAthram anRE ivargaLukku prayOjanam;

> anusanthAna kAlathil anubavakAlam pOlE iruppadhu".

> Even when the Lord's qualities are chanted and

> praised

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T. C. A Srinivasaramanujan

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