Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear bhAgavathAs, Humble pranams to all. All the articles on this topic were informative and thought provoking and I would like to share some more views so that I can get corrected if the views are corruptive. PS:I have no choice except using the letter "I" as I haven't undergone samAShrayaNam officially. So please read those words in that light. -------- Sri TA Varadhan writes: In rAmAyaNA, the people of ayOdhyA knew of noone but the Lord rAma. Even they approached all the dEVathAs *for the welfare of the Lord* {sarvAn dEVAn namasyanthi rAmasyArththE!}. -------- This is true and can be said the same thing about KrShNAvathAram. People of Ayarppadi knew only KrShNa. One example is KuchEla/sudhAma. Instead of going to KubEra,the Lord of wealth, sudhAma goes to KrShNa and without he asking the Lord,the Lord eardicates his poverty. If for material benefits itself sudhAma goes to KrShNa,then what can one say about mOksha or the Ultimate union with the Lord. -------- Sri TCA Venkatesan writes: So, in the case of Andal, I'd venture that She was desperate to be with Him and had expressed her desire to both her father Periyazhvar as well as the Lord Himself. Yet, neither of them have responded to her in a fashion that would assure her she would get what she seeks. He has not shown Himself to her (we have plenty of evidence for this throughout Nacciyar Thirumozhi) and Periyazhvar tried to get her maried off to another mortal, so much so she had to threaten "mAnidavarkkenRu pEccuppadil vAzhakillEn". So, what is she to do? She is willing to go to anyone and ask that they take her to Him - even if she truly knows that only He can take her to Himself. Therefore, she picks on this uncommon ritual of worshipping Kamadeva willing to give it a shot. --------- Father PeriAzhvAr realises(after the galand incidence) that ANdAL must be one among the three consorts of the Lord and he names her "ANdAL" and "cUdikkoduththa nAcciyAr". How can PeriAzhvAr(after this episode) think of getting his daughter married to some "mortal" person? All these do not come under general category. ANdAL is surely not ignorant in the usual sense(Britannica does not account for such categories). Sri Vacana BhUShaNam : 90-93 SVB 90: "ananyOpAyathvamum ananyOpEyathvamum ananyadhaivathvamum kulaiyum padiyAna pravrththi kANA ninROmiRE". All these three types of transgressions are observed in AzhvAr's pAsurams. We have to remember that it is the Lord Himself who imparted the Divine knowledge to them which in turn thrusts their profound and boundless love for Him. Many pAsurams can be quoted for these transgressions but they do all these out of their excessive love for Him and they were in a state of mental imbalance when they (nay the Lord) composed those pAsurams. It doesn't come under the general category of ignorance as we common people undergo. The omniscient Lord will understand their transgressions as different facets of God-love,seeking quick union with Him and as impatient in the intervening period again due to their insatitate longing for Him. Let us take the example of KUraththAzhvAn. When he was in a hurry to receive "andhamil pErinbam",he asked NamperumAL and NamperumAL also granted. The Lord could have done the same thing wrt ANdAL and AzhvArs but we would not have had a Universal law(NDP),that is not shared by Samkrt vEda(it neglects some special cases). In the case of KuraththAzhvAn it is AcArya bhakti. When EmperumAnAr asks KUraththAzhvAn why the latter wanted to go earlier than the former,pat comes the reply:" If I leave after you leave then you will have to receive the me and it is not right and it should be the other way round;So I want to go earlier so that I(sishya) can receive you (AcArya)even in VaikuNTam" NDP is Tamil Veda(means knowledge)and hence it can't reflect aj~nAnam. It only reflects His grace throughout. When VadaperumkOiludaiyAn appeared in father's dream and says that He wants only the garland that is adorned by his daughter,He could have as well told the father that He would marry his daughter right away. But He didn't. Why? Time had not come. Otherwise there wouldn't have been TiruppAvai and NAcciyAr Tirumozhi(and we poor souls would have beeen doomed forever)! PS:ANdAL in her NAcciyAr Tirumozhi 1-1,8, addresses kAmadEva as her master/PerumAn and request bhAgavathAs to share their views on this wrt Sri Ramani Naidu's explanation on the same. One Example:When HiraNyakashipu was doing atrocities,all devAs went to Shiva and Shiva sent them to Brahma saying that it was BrahmA who gave the boons and hence he only could find a solution. Shiva didn't realise that the solution is only in the hands of NArAyaNa. When devas went to brahma,brahma says only NArAyaNa can solve this problem! All demi-gods grant boons to their whims and fancies and it's finally Sriman NArAyaNa who has to resolve everything. In general case,we may worship any Deity but when His grace falls on us we have no other go(whether we like it or not!) except turn ourselves towards Him and worship Him(maRandhum puRan thozhA mAndhar) and we become mumukushus. Paying respects and worshipping are two different things. BTW what is life and what is the purpose of life? Other religions do not address this issue. The purpose is to get liberated from this samsAric ocean. Only Sriman NArAyaNa, and not lesser deities, has the power to grant it. Please pardon all errors AzhvAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam NC Nappinnai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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