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Sri Parthasarathi thunai

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Sri Vara Vara munayE Namaha

 

Dear bhAgavatas,

 

In andal’s thiruppAvai she refers to Sri chakravarthi thirumagan as

manadhukkiniyAn (one who is sweet to our minds). But can we have darshan of the

same dAsarathi, today? No. That is why our acharyas call the vibhavAvadhArams

to be perukkAru (floods), which exists only during one time, and then all the

water will drain away. But what is the solution to our water problem? Only the

water, which was stored in ponds during the floods, can be used later. Those

are similar to the archAvadhArams we enjoy today.

 

The sacrad places where the archA thirumEni’s of emperuman is consecrated can be

classified into either divya desams or abhimAna stalams. Those archAvadhArams

that have been sung by the alwars (mangalAsAsanams) are called as divya desams

and are 108 in number. Some of the temples like rajamannArkudi gopalan

sannadhi, melkotai thirunArayanan sannadhi have not been sung by alwars but have

their special greatness due to the abhimAnam of the acharyas. There are many

more such abhimAna stalams that have their specialities but not recognized by

many.

 

One such divya stalam is thirupathoor Gajendra Varadaraja perumal sannadhi,

considered to be an abhimana stalam for thiruvallikeni Parthasarathi perumal.

This temple is located in north Arcot district. According to the historical

research this temple is some 1000 years old. Initially there was only perumal

and thayar sannadhi, later Sri lakshmi narasimhar sannadhi is supposed to have

been constructed. But now due to the bhakthi and shraddhai of many bhagavatas,

the temple has been beautifully renovated with many more sannadhis added and

also the raja gopuram constructed in a very elegant manner. The samprOkshanam

to the temple has been done in a very great manner on 18.11.2001. Surprising

feature of this temple is that it is located in a muslim dominated area and not

many Brahmins around. But the bhagavatas around this temple have a close

attachment towards this perumal. Bhattars (archakas) who have charge formally

in Thiruvallikeni Parthasarathi temple take care of this temple also.

 

Adiyen had the chance to visit this temple 2 or 3 years back for the first time.

The peaceful atmosphere of the temple with beautiful garden around really

attracted me. The perumal and thAyar filled my minds. Here the utsavar is

called as manadhukkiniyAn, what an apt name for him? Every year there is one

special utsavam in this temple. It is called as ‘thirumalayil oru nAl’. All

that is done in thirupathi daily is done in this temple that day. It is like

thiruvenkadavan himself coming down to shower his blessings on all of us.

Beautiful part is, on that day archakas from thirumalai come to thirupattoor,

Srivilliputur nAchiyar sends here soodikkalaidha mAlai and Parthasarathi sends

his archakas, malai and all honors to gajendra varadan. It is indeed a grand

celebration.

 

All other regular utsavams are also held in this temple. Recently, adiyen

visited the temple on “koodArai valli” on which day thirukkalyAna mahotsavam to

andal and perumal is celebrated in this temple (instead of the usual bhogi

kalyanam in other temples). Adiyen was really amazed to see the changes in the

temple after the samprokshanam. The temple has taken new shape with the raja

gopuram, new sannadhis for andal, Manavala mAmunigal and sudarsanAzhvar. The

sannadhis have been decorated with beautifully architectured doors (Ramayana and

mahabharatha stories engraved). The kannAdi arai for perumal is extraordinarily

beautiful. All the credit goes to the great bhagavatas over there. Sri

Gajendra varadarAja perumal kainkaryam trust and Sri EmperumAnAr sabhA, Sri

EmperumAnAr trusts are really doing great kainkaryams to thirupattoor gajendra

varadan. For all those great souls who are doing so much kainkaryams

“thalaiyallAl kaimArilEnE”.

 

Adiyen's humble request to you all is to avail the first opportunity to visit

this temple and get the grace and blessings of gajendra varadarAja perumal.

This temple is located on the vellore-salem highway 80 Km from vellore and 7 Km

from jollarpet railway junction. The temple is towards the east from

thirupattor bus stop. The temple has a room for tourist to keep their luggages

and also other facilities. Sri Vanamamalai Jeeyer swamy, Srirangam ranga

nArayana Jeeyer swamy, Thirumala thirupathi rAmanuja Periya jeeyer swamy,

Thirumala thirupathi chinna jeeyer swamy and many others have done

mangalAsAsanams to this divya stalam.

 

Perumal resides in different forms in different places. He has so much

sowlabhyam that he even comes running to the call of an elephant gajendran and

accepts the small flower the elephant submitted to perumal with great bhakthi.

He is so eager to come to our call that he stays even today in different divya

desams to avoid any delay. In thirupattoor, emperuman remains as gajendra

varadan reminding us of the episode of gajendra moksham “Anaikku andru arulai

Endra kannarA” says periyAzhvar and prays to emperuman to come during his last

moments to save him from the cycle of birth and death (appodaikku eppOdhE solli

vaiththEn).

 

When perumal with so much krupai has come to this leela vibhuthi leaving his

enjoyment in the nithya vibhuthi with the nithyasooris to lift us all, isn’t it

our duty to show our grateful to the extent possible towards that perumal? Of

course, we cannot do anything equal to the amount of krupai he showers on us nor

does he expects any but it is for our mental satisfaction and also to make him

happy we have to take care of our divya desams and abhimana stalams. Can we

leave our mother and father without good clothing, food etc and live happily?

Our parents never get happy with just the money we send, they surely want us to

be with them and do service to them. Similarly we should not just stop with

contributing money for the kainkaryams in the divya desams but should visit the

perumals and make them happy with our kainkaryams. Any kainkaryam is for his

pleasure and not for our happiness. That is the bottomline of our sampradayam.

 

Alwar EmperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigalE sharanam

Adiyen rAmAnuja dAsee

Sumithra Varadarajan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Smt Sumithra,

Humble pranams to you. I always enjoy your articles as they

are attached to Parthasarathy. Your statements "for our mental

satisfaction" and "any kainkaryam is for his pleasure" seem

contradictory to me(maybe I misread your thoughts). Even parents

have "little" expectation! But He does not have "any" expectation.

It is only expectations that cause unhappiness. You yourself had

written that "parents never get happy...".

 

It is easier to develop mental cleaniliness in "upAyam" than

in "upEyam(service to the Lord)". Meaning while doing kaimkaryam,we

should not derive any happiness. Personally I had never been

successful. Conciously but unintentionally there is some happiness

produced in me when I do kaimkaryam(be it chanting some prabandham or

a thought about Ramanuja or other purvAchAryas). Has anyone

experienced the same? Is it avoidable or can it be avoided and how?

 

AzhvAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE sharaNam

NC Nappinnai

 

 

 

>Of course, we cannot do anything equal to the amount of krupai he

>showers on us nor does he expects any but it is for our mental

>satisfaction and also to make him happy we have to take care of our

>divya desams and abhimana stalams. Can we leave our mother and

>father without good clothing, food etc and live happily? Our

>parents never get happy with just the money we send, they surely

>want us to be with them and do service to them. Similarly we should

>not just stop with contributing money for the kainkaryams in the

>divya desams but should visit the perumals and make them happy with

>our kainkaryams. Any kainkaryam is for his pleasure and not for our

>happiness. That is the bottomline of our sampradayam.

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srimatE rAmAnujAya nama:

Dear Smt.Nappinnai:

I think most of us do experience pleasure from the kainkaryams we do...Infact I

have heard in kalakshEpams that even in Paramapadam , where in the knowledge of

the soul is in full bloom, there is the danger of this experiencing pleasure due

to kainkaryam .. But as long as "our pleasure" is not the reason that we do

kainkaryam (ie., if it is just a by-product) but only for His pleasure, it

should be acceptable...

Regards

rAmAnuja dAsi

"nappinnai_nc <nappinnai_nc" <nappinnai_nc wrote: Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Smt Sumithra,

Humble pranams to you. I always enjoy your articles as they

are attached to Parthasarathy. Your statements "for our mental

satisfaction" and "any kainkaryam is for his pleasure" seem

contradictory to me(maybe I misread your thoughts). Even parents

have "little" expectation! But He does not have "any" expectation.

It is only expectations that cause unhappiness. You yourself had

written that "parents never get happy...".

 

It is easier to develop mental cleaniliness in "upAyam" than

in "upEyam(service to the Lord)". Meaning while doing kaimkaryam,we

should not derive any happiness. Personally I had never been

successful. Conciously but unintentionally there is some happiness

produced in me when I do kaimkaryam(be it chanting some prabandham or

a thought about Ramanuja or other purvAchAryas). Has anyone

experienced the same? Is it avoidable or can it be avoided and how?

 

AzhvAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE sharaNam

NC Nappinnai

 

 

 

>Of course, we cannot do anything equal to the amount of krupai he

>showers on us nor does he expects any but it is for our mental

>satisfaction and also to make him happy we have to take care of our

>divya desams and abhimana stalams. Can we leave our mother and

>father without good clothing, food etc and live happily? Our

>parents never get happy with just the money we send, they surely

>want us to be with them and do service to them. Similarly we should

>not just stop with contributing money for the kainkaryams in the

>divya desams but should visit the perumals and make them happy with

>our kainkaryams. Any kainkaryam is for his pleasure and not for our

>happiness. That is the bottomline of our sampradayam.

 

 

 

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

 

 

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

 

Respected Madam,

 

>Conciously but unintentionally there is some happiness

> produced in me when I do kaimkaryam(be it chanting some prabandham

> or a thought about Ramanuja or other purvAchAryas). Has anyone

> experienced the same? Is it avoidable or can it be avoided and how?

 

Your question is indeed one of the popular questions that is faced by

our Sampradayam. But there is an interesting answer to it too. If you

read your above statements again, after you read my "small brain's"

understanding/explanation, you would be surprised.

 

The term "you" etc henceforth refers to a general second person.

Kindly do not take it literally.

 

a) The goal should be that, one should do the kainkaryam for HIS

pleasure.

b) The goal should not be the pleasure that one derives out of a

kainkaryam.

 

Now if you read your statements again, you would find that, if you

get happiness out of a kainkaryam, it is a mere consequence. If you

intended to achieve that happiness through kainkaryam, then it is

treated as a "selfish" attitude. But if the mindset is to make him

happy and in that process if you become happy, it is not wrong. The

difference is so subtle - it is INTENT vs CONSEQUENCE. This is the

speciality of our sampradayam. In point A, your happiness would be a

mere consequence. In point B, it is the happiness that you wanted,

which is wrong. This is why our sampradayam is so easy to follow and

so practical:)

 

My humble apologies for any mistakes or misinformation.

 

Yatheendra Pravanam Vandhe RAMYA Jaamaatharam Munim

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

Lakshmi Narasimhan

 

ramanuja, "nappinnai_nc <nappinnai_nc>"

<nappinnai_nc> wrote:

> Sri:

> Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

> Dear Smt Sumithra,

> Humble pranams to you. I always enjoy your articles as

they

> are attached to Parthasarathy. Your statements "for our mental

> satisfaction" and "any kainkaryam is for his pleasure" seem

> contradictory to me(maybe I misread your thoughts). Even parents

> have "little" expectation! But He does not have "any" expectation.

> It is only expectations that cause unhappiness. You yourself had

> written that "parents never get happy...".

>

> It is easier to develop mental cleaniliness in "upAyam"

than

> in "upEyam(service to the Lord)". Meaning while doing kaimkaryam,we

> should not derive any happiness. Personally I had never been

> successful. Conciously but unintentionally there is some happiness

> produced in me when I do kaimkaryam(be it chanting some prabandham

or

> a thought about Ramanuja or other purvAchAryas). Has anyone

> experienced the same? Is it avoidable or can it be avoided and how?

>

> AzhvAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE sharaNam

> NC Nappinnai

>

>

>

> >Of course, we cannot do anything equal to the amount of krupai he

> >showers on us nor does he expects any but it is for our mental

> >satisfaction and also to make him happy we have to take care of

our

> >divya desams and abhimana stalams. Can we leave our mother and

> >father without good clothing, food etc and live happily? Our

> >parents never get happy with just the money we send, they surely

> >want us to be with them and do service to them. Similarly we

should

> >not just stop with contributing money for the kainkaryams in the

> >divya desams but should visit the perumals and make them happy

with

> >our kainkaryams. Any kainkaryam is for his pleasure and not for

our

> >happiness. That is the bottomline of our sampradayam.

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Sri Parthasarathi thunai

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Dear Smt.Nappinnai,

Adiyen's humble pranams to you. Thank you for your mail. It is usual to explain

more understandable think first and then to extent further. Similarly we start

to do kainkaryam for our mental peace and satisfaction but the goal is reached

only when we do kainkaryam for his happiness and not for our sake. Kulasekara

Azhvar says, "padiyAi kidandhu vun pavala vAi kAnbEnE" Here padiyAi kidaththal

is the kainkaryam azhvar wants to do then why does he say pavala vAi kAnbEnE is

it the result azhvar wants? No not at all. when azhvar lies as the step

emperuman gets happy and a smile spreads over his lips. Azhvar wants to enjoy

only that happiness of emperuman as a result of his kainkaryam. So we can

surely feel satisfied and happy while doing kainkaryam as a result of bhagavan's

satisfaction and happiness.

Alwar EmperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigalE sharanam

Adiyen rAmAnuja dAsee

Sumithra Varadarajan

"nappinnai_nc <nappinnai_nc" <nappinnai_nc wrote:Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Smt Sumithra,

Humble pranams to you. I always enjoy your articles as they

are attached to Parthasarathy. Your statements "for our mental

satisfaction" and "any kainkaryam is for his pleasure" seem

contradictory to me(maybe I misread your thoughts). Even parents

have "little" expectation! But He does not have "any" expectation.

It is only expectations that cause unhappiness. You yourself had

written that "parents never get happy...".

 

It is easier to develop mental cleaniliness in "upAyam" than

in "upEyam(service to the Lord)". Meaning while doing kaimkaryam,we

should not derive any happiness. Personally I had never been

successful. Conciously but unintentionally there is some happiness

produced in me when I do kaimkaryam(be it chanting some prabandham or

a thought about Ramanuja or other purvAchAryas). Has anyone

experienced the same? Is it avoidable or can it be avoided and how?

 

AzhvAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE sharaNam

NC Nappinnai

 

 

 

>Of course, we cannot do anything equal to the amount of krupai he

>showers on us nor does he expects any but it is for our mental

>satisfaction and also to make him happy we have to take care of our

>divya desams and abhimana stalams. Can we leave our mother and

>father without good clothing, food etc and live happily? Our

>parents never get happy with just the money we send, they surely

>want us to be with them and do service to them. Similarly we should

>not just stop with contributing money for the kainkaryams in the

>divya desams but should visit the perumals and make them happy with

>our kainkaryams. Any kainkaryam is for his pleasure and not for our

>happiness. That is the bottomline of our sampradayam.

 

 

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Smt Sumithra,

Accept my pranams. We(generic) don't start to do kaimkaryam

for our mental satisfaction and peace! If we do,then we fall under

the fifth category of those with ill-conceived notion of prapatti[Cf

SVB 263-268]. But you can desire to do service to THEM and THEIR

devotees. Service/kaimkaryam(shEshathva)should come spontaneously out

of love or fear for Him[Cf SVB 281 "kaimkaryanthAn bhakti mUlam

allAdha pOdhu bhIthi mUlamAy varavENum"]. If service does not

materialise from either of these two,the individual loses everything.

The performance of service unto Him and His devotees is indispensable

to the individual but the latter should render service disinterestedly

(not for our mental peace). The consequence of that kaimkaryam can be

mental peace and satisfaction(but this should not precede the onset

of kaimkaryam).

 

First of all,we do not know if He is happy about our service.

Although we have heard that He is always happy to hear us chanting

His nama or prabandham etc[nAmmAzhvAr says that "He entered me and

did this and that just because I uttered mADhava or TirumAlirumsOlai"

but Sri PiLLai lOkAchAryar says this can not be the reason for the

Lord to enter nammAzhvAr,these are all only pretext]. In this regard

I will quote SVB 280 "ivan(prapanna) puNyaththai pApam enRirukkum;avan

(Lord)pApaththai puNyam enRirukkum. avanukkadhu(Lord) kidaiyAdhu;

ivanadhu(prapanna)seiyyAn". Meaning prappana looks down upon puNya

also as pApa,whereas the Lord,in His boundless love for him,sees his

pApa as puNya. The Lord's fondness and readiness to view prapanna's

pApa as puNya only remains a theoretical wish, not capable of

realisation,seeing that the prapanna with his stainless conduct is

not prone to commit sins. So we can only theoretically wish that He

is happy about our service but we can not be very sure.

 

Wrt KulashEkhara AzhvAr's "seidiyAya valvinaigaL...kANbEnE",I

wouldn't want to pass any comments(as I haven't heard any bhagavad

viShaya) except that kulashEkhara AzhvAr's desire to see

SriRanganATha never materialised,so prays to the Lord that let him be

atleast a step(or fish or whatever)and do service to Him eternally.

That's all his desire(only for the service). Maybe you have the right

thoughts in your mind but your wordings sound the opposite(atleast to

me). I feel that Sri PiLLai lOkchArya's works are very subtle and one

twist in word can convey a "wrong" message to the reader. Pardon me

if I said anything to hurt you.

 

I had posed the same question to Sri Vanamamalai Padmanabhan and his

reply is posted here.

 

>How do we know whether he is happy while doing kainkaryam?

 

>In this world it is very difficult to realise regarding His

>happiness while doing kainkaryam. However, we should aim at being

>devoid of independence while performing kainkaryam. I think, it is

>easier to attain cleainliness in upAyam than upEyam. Definitely,

>some self enjoyment emanates but this sort of happiness should be

>avoided. Of course, it is presumed that when emperumAn listens to

>our recitation (thiruchchevi sAthum pOdhu) He is indeed immensely

>happy. This is latent than explicit . Hence, it is very

>difficult to understand His happiness in this world. We should at

>least strive to perform kainkaryam without any self-enjoyment

>motives.

 

 

AzhvAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar ThiruvadigaLE sharaNam

NC Nappinnai

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