Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 Dear srEvaishNavites, stars and slOkas-vishNu sahasra-nAmam It is good to foster chanting of vishNu sahasra-namam. I do not understand the concept of correlating stars to chanting. The purpose of chanting is for chanting and not for any benefit. Kindly clarify. Does it not run contrary to our principles? vAnamAmalai padmanAbhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha > The purpose of chanting is for chanting and not for any benefit. > Does it not run contrary to our principles? Dear Swami, I am also a little confused, but from the other side:) The Pala- Shruthi(the one that takes about the benefits of those who recite) of the Sahasra Namam says the following: Vedanthako Brahmanasyat Kshatriyo Vijayee Bhaveth | Vaishyo Dhana Samvruddhasyath Kshudra sukham avaapnuyath || It also continues with Dharmarthi cha aapnuyaath dharmam... Kamanuvapnuyath kami... Meaning: If the Brahmins recite this Sahasranamam(daily) they would master the Vedam, while the Kshatriyas would be victorious all the times. The Vaishyas get more wealth while the Kshudra attain happiness all the time. For a person who follows the dharmam, so can he all the time, while those who are interested in the kamam may attain the fruits of the same. If the purpose of chanting is for chanting and not for any benefit, then why do we have the pala-shruti? I request the learned scholars to clarify. For prapannas, I think the idea is that, the palam(fruit) would itself be the kainkaryam that they want to do for the supreme and this would be given to them as a result of reciting them(though the intent of the prapanna wouldn't be to attain this result). It is the same "INTENT" vs "RESULTS". While the prapannan concentrates on the former and doesn't bother about the latter, others do it vice-versa, which is my guess. I may be wrong in which case, please accept my sincere apologies. MY only point is that, Shri Jeeyar swami would have mentioned the results, which is a fact i.e the phala sruthi also says as follows: Rogarthee Muchyathe rogath, baddho mucchetha bandhanaath | Bayaan muchyetha beethasthu mucchyetha banna aapathaha || Meaning: The diseased ones get relief from the illness, while those who want revelation attain the relief from the materialistic bindings, so is it for those who are afraid all the time, the bayam goes away. But, that post does not describe about the intent. The concept of illness going away etc are just the results. Adiyen RAmanuja Dasan, Lakshmi Narasimhan ramanuja, "padmanabhan" <aazhwar@v...> wrote: > Dear srEvaishNavites, > stars and slOkas-vishNu sahasra- nAmam > It is good to foster chanting of vishNu sahasra-namam. I do not understand > the concept of correlating stars to chanting. The purpose of chanting is for > chanting and not for any benefit. Kindly clarify. Does it not run contrary > to our principles? > vAnamAmalai padmanAbhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear Sri Padmanabhan and Sriman Lakshmi Narasimhan, We have phala shruthi in NDP too. I'm sure Sri Jeeyar Swami would have said it correctly but in what context and to whom it was addressed is not sure. Anyways, is not PerumAL Himself the phala/end??? Kindly clarify. AzhvAr EmperumAnAr JIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam NC Nappinnai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Re: women, paryana, puja and menstruation. Dear Dr. Kilambi Ramakrishna Ramanuja Dasan, your arguments are specious. Firstly most women know when their menstrual cycle occurs. Please give them credability for the ability to control themselves! Secondly Bhagavad Aradhana is not a "vedic ritual" - it is a Tantric Ritual in which women may fully participate - the Pancharatra ordains the initiation of women into Bhagavad Aradhana but only in the home and family (svartha) but not for others (parartha). Thirdly parayana of Divya Prabandhams, Bhagavad Gita, Sahasranama etc. are also not Vedic - they may be recited in goshti by everyone, male, female or neuter. Also I have seen many men get up and walk out during a recitation - so what's your point? Fourthly - regarding menstruation - many women nowadays do not get their periods because of contraception. And what of post menapausal women - what is the objection against their appearing in the Goshthi? Your arguments are specious and insulting to women. In every kalakshepam and spiritual discourse 90% of the attendees are women. Women are more intelligent (by recent statistics!), more dedicated to the Dharma, and indeed far more spiritual than men. The decline in traditions and spirituality that we see is due to their being in the custodianship of MEN. If women managed the spiritual resources of the community as they did in pre smriti times, there would now be no decline of Dharma. yatra naryastu pujyante - tatra ramante devata (Manu Smriti) Where women are worshipped - there the gods delight. Sri Rama Ramanuja Acharya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear Sri Padmanabhan, With the blessings of and interactions with bhAgavathAs like you I am trying to understand SVB and other works. Sri PiLLai lOkAcAryA clearly and concisely presents,in SVB 243(last aphorism of second prakaraNa),the code of conduct to be followed by the "well informed" prapanna to whom the Lord is the siddhOpAya(means and the end rolled into one):a prapanna shall not pray for his own well being which is actually Lord's sole concern and instead indulge in self- less love of God(&His devotees)and solicit His well being(have omitted many other conducts to be followed). There are many people (non-prapannas)who approach Sri Jeeyar swami and they may not be aware that Lord is the means and the end. I'm guessing that in this context HH might have suggested these as a starting point towards prapatti. Initially I used to chant gadya trayam without knowing "ANY" meaning but then EmperumAnAr's choice of words itself was so exhilarating that I was getting restless and wanted to know the meaning and would ask whoever I bumped into,if they knew the meaning and would supply me the same. This is my personal experience. Kindly request Sri Ramakrishna to clarify in what context our Sri Jeeyar swami suggested that. Please correct me if I said anything wrong. AzhvAr EmperumAnAr JIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam NC Nappinnai ramanuja, "padmanabhan" <aazhwar@v...> wrote: > Dear srEvaishNavites, > stars and slOkas-vishNu sahasra- nAmam > It is good to foster chanting of vishNu sahasra-namam. I do not understand > the concept of correlating stars to chanting. The purpose of chanting is for > chanting and not for any benefit. Kindly clarify. Does it not run contrary > to our principles? > vAnamAmalai padmanAbhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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